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Originally posted by alphawolf at 29-11-2006 09:39 AM
Muhammad Ali hanyalah sorang dari beribu2 anak muda US yang tak mahu dikerah ke Vietnam ada yang sanggup larikan diri ke negara asing...bagi mereka takde point Amerika berperang bagi pihak Vietnam ...
betul...tapi ada lak cam George Bush dia ada temberang kan? dia tak pegi kan? pasal dia anak orang berkuasa...
kalo setakat orang biasa abis la...
anyway aku baca skarang pun yang cabut perang Iraq ramai gi Canada.... |
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Originally posted by sedondon at 29-11-2006 09:56 AM
Dulu masa kecik2 selalu tgk cerita perang amerika, dan selalu asume that rusia tu jahat, veitnam tu jahat, jepun tu jahat, jerman tu jahat, tentera amerika lah yg jadi hero, sekarang dah besar baru ...
Kalo WW2, Amerika hero , German ngan Jepun jahat
kalo Vietnam war, Amerika hero, Vietnam jahat
Aku rasa sejak Gulf War 1 yang 1990 tu, pelan2 Islam lak jahat...sampai la skarang |
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Originally posted by thamrong at 30-11-2006 12:24 AM
Kebanyakan remaja Amerika yang di kerah untuk berperang adalah dari keluarga yang miskin dan gulungan kulit hitam. Bill Clinton terlepas dari ke ...
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lagi satu,
welfare kebajikan vietnam veterans ni semua tak dijagakan? nak nak yang sakit otak, tangan kaki putus tu semua
padahal dorang la patut kena jaga betul2, pasal dorang taat kat arahan negara... |
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Ada persatuan Veteran untuk perang vietnam...salah satu objektif mereka ialah keadilan kepada veteran perang vietnam yang dipandang rendah kerana status perang vietnam yang 'tak diterima' masyarakat US. |
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Beberapa fakta pasal perang vietnam
-2.59 juta anggota tentera AS berkhidmat di Vietnam dari 1961-1975. Daripada jumlah itu, 58,148 terbunuh dan 304,000 mengalami kecederaan
- Secara purata umur tentera AS yang terbunuh ialah 23.1 tahun
- Semasa WW2, purata anggota tentera US di Pasifik bertempur selama 40 hari dalam jangka masa 4 tahun. Di Vietnam, seorang anggota tentera bertempur 240 hari dalam setahun.
- National Liberation Front (VietCong) telah membunuh 36,725 rakyat Vietnam Selatan dan menculik 58,000 yang lain.
- Tentera dan rakyat Vietnam Utara yang terbunuh - dianggar antara 500,000 hingga 600,000 orang. Jumlah mangsa perang kesemuanya:15 juta orang.
- 1dari 10 tentera US menjadi magsa perang (cedera/mati) Bagaimanapun kecederaan yang teruk (disabling) 300% lebih tinggi dari WW2. 75,000 veteran perang vietnam mengalami kecacatan teruk. |
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Bell UH-1 Helicopter
The Bell UH-1 helicopter, popularly known as the "Huey," was the workhorse aircraft for U.S. forces in Vietnam. Well adapted for jungle warfare, the Huey could fly at low altitudes and speeds, land in small clearings, maneuver to dodge enemy fire, and carry an array of powerful armaments.
Among other duties, the versatile chopper transported troops, equipment, supplies, and support personnel into the field; provided additional firepower to troops engaged on the ground; and evacuated the dead and wounded.
Technical data for the UH-1B:
- Type: Utility Helicopter
- Year: 1960
- Engine: Lycoming T53-L-11 turboshaft, 1,100 SHP (shaft horsepower)
- Rotor Diameter: 44 ft.
- Fuselage Length: 38 ft. 5 in.
- Overall Length: 53 ft.
- Height: 14 ft.
- Empty Weight: 5,055 lbs.
- Max Takeoff Weight: 9,500 lbs.
- Max Speed: 138 m.p.h.
- Ceiling: 21,000 ft.
- Range: 286 miles
- Crew: two
- Load: seven fully equipped troops, or 3,000 lbs.
- Armament varied, but could include: one or two M60 7.62mm machine guns, XM157 rocket launcher with high-explosive or phosphorus rockets, 40mm grenade launchers
Punyalah canggih, Vietnam guna senapang je......
[ Last edited by katakpuruz at 30-11-2006 08:21 PM ] |
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Nak kata canggih takde mana canggihnya Huey ni...Huey Hog yang bersenjata pun kira lash-up aje untuk jadi escort... |
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Originally posted by alphawolf at 29-11-2006 09:39 AM
Muhammad Ali hanyalah sorang dari beribu2 anak muda US yang tak mahu dikerah ke Vietnam ada yang sanggup larikan diri ke negara asing...bagi mereka takde point Amerika berperang bagi pihak Vietnam ...
including their former president...Bill Clinton...from my source, Bill Clinton lari ke europe (alasan untuk belajar) supaya tidak dikerah ke vietnam...begitu jugak dengan Gorge W. Bush....dia enlisted kedalam U.S. National Air Guard (Pasukan Pengawal Udara US. ala2 macam airforce reserve)...sebab nak elak ke Vietnam...sedikit info...bapak die...former President Bush adalah veteran WW2...kalau tak silap marine aviator (bawak corsair figter)....tapi senator John Kerry...mmg pernah serve kat NAM (Singkatan@nama glamor bagi Vietnam)...lagi satu info....pelakon RAMBO (Sylvester Stallone) pun tak pernah serve kat vietnam |
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Originally posted by alphawolf at 29-11-2006 10:14 AM
sebab kita dapat rancangan Barat..kalau kita amik rancangan dari rusia...amerika le jahat...heheheh
betul tu alpha...same je dua2 tu...2X5 je....U.S have their vietnam..Soviet have thier afganistan + checnya |
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Originally posted by alphawolf at 30-11-2006 10:33 AM
Ada persatuan Veteran untuk perang vietnam...salah satu objektif mereka ialah keadilan kepada veteran perang vietnam yang dipandang rendah kerana status perang vietnam yang 'tak diterima' masyarakat US.....
yang ini aku tak paham kenape....apsal masyarakat US buat macam tu...bukan nye diorang volunteer nak gi...diorang ni mengikut arahan....american ni mmg pelik la....kalau british lain lak citenye....under any circumstances...they support and respect their troop & servicemen...the wicked is only the politician....:hmm: ntahla... |
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Reply #30 malarky's post
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Tapi tu situasi tahun 70an dan 80an...kajian sekarang menunjukkan (mungkin juga hasil usaha VVA), 97% rakyat amerika memandang tinggi veteran perang vietnam. |
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Reply #28 malarky's post
Muhammad Ali x nak pergi sebab ideologi dia....GW Bush? Sebab taknak kena tembak kot? Kakakaka. Banyak pemuda kulit putih masa tu dapat 'pengecualian' dari kerahan tenaga sebab
1. rasuah - mak pak bagi duit kat doktor, mintak keluar sijil kesihatan palsu
2. peluang belajar - pelajar Universiti dapat pengecualian; ramai pemuda kulit hitam x dapat guna alasan ni sebab mereka tak mampu dari segi kewangan nak masuk U.
Dan juga yang main cabut macam tu aje.... |
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Mimpi ngeri perang Vietnam maseh lagi menghantui Amerika hingga hari ini.Selain dari 50,000 kematian ramai yang pulang musnah dan cacat dari segi fisikal dan sikoloji. Gulungan elit pemerintahan Amerika dan institusi-institusinya di sumpahi dan dilanati oleh rayaat jelata kerana dasar pembohongan dan penipuannya.Case in point "The Gulf of Tonkin Incident" di mana sengaja direka untuk menghalalkan campurtangan tentera Amerika cara terus di bumi Vietnam.:hmm::hmm:
[ Last edited by thamrong at 4-12-2006 02:53 AM ] |
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Reply #33 thamrong's post
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Nak kena check balik...insiden tu berlaku tapi seciput aje..nothing serious really. Tapi as usual, the US admin create stories, making mountain ranges out of a single mole hil. And you get a 'major international incident' which eventually ends after 58,000 men were killed and the last US citizens left by choppers from the Embassy roof.l |
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Reply #34 alphawolf's post
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Agreed! Now they even dispute if the incident really happened. When they interviewed the Navy pilots non of then actually have seen the NV gunboats.:hmm::hmm: |
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The Vietnamese people had defeated the most powerful imperialist power in the world, which had deployed a half a million troops on their soil backed by overwhelming air and sea power. The corrupt and dictatorial puppet regime of Gen. Nguyen van Thieu that Washington left behind boasted of a 700,000-strong army, but collapsed virtually without a fight. The victory of the Vietnamese people represented the culmination of a 30-year struggle in which they had confronted not only American intervention, but that of Japanese and French imperialism before it.:hmm::hmm: |
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Reply #36 thamrong's post
ARVN is never a powerful army, despite their numbers. Their success in defeating the 1972 Easter Invasion are mainly because of massive US air support. And when that support was withdrawn from 1973 onwards, they are ineffective in countering the Northern invasion, despite heroic efforts by a few formations. Besides the NVa fought with a grim determination - unification of Vietnam.
As for the 30-year struggle, it's something like this
1945 - Japanese occupation
1945-1954 - War of Independence against the French (first IndoChina War)
1957-1975 - Vietnam war (2nd Indochina War) |
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Reply #37 alphawolf's post
Terima kaseh kerana berkongsi info. |
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Perang Vietnam telah melahirkan istilah dan acronoyms sendiri. Umpama saperti berikut.
AIRBURST ledakan bom di udara
AIR CAV air cavalry, askar yang di daratkan melalui helicopter.
AIT Advanced Individual Training; latihan pengkhususan pada tiap-tiap askar selepas Latihan Asas.
ALPHA-ALPHA automatic ambush, serang hendap berserta dengan ledakan periok api cara automatik.
ARCOMS Army Commendation Medals; pingat kepujian tentera darat
ARTICLE 15 hukuman disiplin oleh komander
ARTY artillery
A.R.V.N. Army of the Republic of Vietnam (Army of South Vietnam)
BANANA CLIP magazin peluru yang bengkok saperti pisang khusus untul rifle AK-47
BIRD bermaksud pesawat selalunya helicopter
BLUELEG askarinfantri, a.k.a. "grunt"
BOUNCING BETTY jenis bom yang melunjak keudara setinggi 4 kaki kemudian meletup
BRING SMOKE arahan untuk pengeboman intensive kearah penempatan musuh
C & C command and control
CHARLIE, CHARLES, CHUCK bemaksud Vietcong -- atau singkat "VC": Victor Charlie"
CHERRY askar yang baru untuk menganti yang mati atau cedra
CHICKEN PLATE baju kalis peluru untuk helicopter gunners
CHURCH KEY pembuka botol
COMIC BOOKS (FUNNY BOOKS) military maps
C's "C-rations", "C-rats", "Charlie rats", makanan askar dalam operasi selalu nya dalam tin
D.M.Z. demilitarized zone
DONUT DOLLY askar sukarela wanita dalam medical corps
DUSTOFF gelaran operasi pemindahan askar yang cedra dari medan dengan helicopter
EM askar kerahan
FIREFIGHT pertempuran dua pehak dengan menggunakan senjata ringan
FRAG istilah untuk bom tangan
FRAGGING pembunuhan pegawai atasan oleh tentera sendiri, lazimnya menggunakan bom tangan
FRIENDLIES U.S. troops, dan tentera kawan atau sekutu
IN COUNTRY Vietnam
K.I.A. Killed In Action
KLICK, K bermaksud kilometer (0.62 miles)
LZ landing zone;zon mendarat
M.I.A. Missing In Action
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Signature weapon/equipment Vietnam war
M-16 5.56mm rifle
AK-47 7.62mm rifle
M-60 7.62mm MG
M-79 40mm grenade launcher
RPG-7 rocket launcher
'Ho Chi Minh' hat
Bell UH-1 Huey utility helicopter
Republic F-105 Thunderchief bomber
Boeing B-52 Stratofortress strategic bomber
McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II fighter-bomber
SA-2 Guideline SAM |
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Post time 30-11-2006 10:14 AM
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