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Sains vs Agama - Mana Satu Betul?

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Post time 12-5-2015 12:46 AM | Show all posts
In the early 7th century, the two most powerful empires at the time were the Byzantine[1]  and Persian Empires.  In the years 613 - 614 C.E the two Empires went to war, with the Byzantines suffering a severe defeat at the hands of the Persians.  Damascus and Jerusalem both fell to the Persian Empire.  In the chapter, The Romans, in the Holy Quran, it is stated that the Byzantines had met with a great defeat but would soon gain victory:

“The Romans have been defeated in the lowest land, but after their defeat they will soon be victorious.  Within three to nine years.  The decision of the matter, before and after, is with God.” (Quran 30:2-4)

These verses, above,  were revealed around 620 C.E, almost 7 years after the severe defeat of the Christian Byzantines at the hands of the idolater Persians in 613 – 614 C.E.  Yet it was related in the verses that the Byzantines would shortly be victorious.  In-fact, Byzantine had been so heavily defeated that it seemed impossible for the Empire to even maintain its very existence, let alone be victorious again.

Not only the Persians, but also the Avars, Slavs and Lombards (located to the North and West of the Byzantine Empire) posed serious threats to the Byzantine Empire’s sovereignty.  The Avars had come as far as the walls of Constantinople and  had nearly captured the Emperor, himself.  Many governors had revolted against Emperor Heraclius, and the Empire was on the point of collapse.  Mesopotamia, Syria, Palestine, Egypt and Armenia, which had earlier  belonged to the Byzantine Empire, were invaded by the Persians.  In short, everyone was expecting the Byzantine Empire to be destroyed, but right at that moment the first verses of the chapter, The Romans, were revealed announcing that the Byzantines would regain triumph in a few years time. Shortly after this revelation, the Byzantine Emperor proceeded to order the gold and silver in churches to be melted and turned into money in order both to meet the demanding expenses of the army, and finance his drive to regain the lost territories.  

Around 7 years after the revelation of the first verses of The Romans, in December, 627 C.E, a decisive battle between The Byzantine Empire and the Persian Empire was fought in the area around the Dead Sea,[2] and this time it was the Byzantine army which surprisingly defeated the Persians.  A few months later, the Persians had to make an agreement with the Byzantines which obliged them to return the territories they had taken from them.  So, in the end, the victory of the Romans proclaimed by God in the Quran miraculously came through.

Another miracle revealed in the mentioned verses is the announcement of a geographical fact that  no-one would have been able to discover in that period.  In the third verse of  The Romans, it was mentioned that the Romans were defeated “in the lowest land” (Quran 30:3).  Significantly, the places where the main battles took place (in Damascus and Jerusalem) lie in a vast area of low-lying land called the Great Rift Valley.  The Great Rift Valley is a huge 5,000 km fault line in the earth’s crust that runs from northern Syria in the Middle-East of Asia to central Mozambique in East Africa.  The northernmost extension runs through Syria, Lebanon, Palestine and Jordon.  The rift then extends south to the Gulf of Aden, makes its way through East Africa, then finally ends at the lower Zambezi River valley in Mozambique.

An interesting fact that has been discovered recently, with the help of satellite images, is that the area around the Dead Sea (located in the Great Rift Valley) has the lowest altitude on Earth. In fact, the lowest point on Earth is the shoreline of the Dead Sea, with an altitude of around 400 meters[3]  below sea level.  The fact that it lies at the lowest point means that water does not drain from the sea.  No land point on earth has a lower altitude than the shoreline of the Dead Sea.[4]



Dead Sea Rift Valley

Dead Sea Rift Valley, Israel and Jordan October 1984.  Seen from an altitude of 190 nautical miles (350 kilometers) in this near-vertical photograph, the Dead Sea Rift Valley slices south-north through the Middle East. The surface of the Dead Sea, 1292 feet (394 meters) below sea level, is the lowest point on Earth. (Courtesy: The Image Science & Analysis Laboratory, NASA Johnson Space Center, Photo #: STS41G-120-56, http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov)



Therefore it becomes clear that the country or prefecture which occupies the rift valley in the vicinity of the Dead Sea is what is meant in the Quran by “the lowest land.”  This is a true miracle of the Quran because no-one could have known or foreseen such a fact in the 7th century due to the fact that satellites and modern day technology were not available at the time.  Once again, the only possible explanation is that Prophet Muhammad had truly received divine revelation from God, The Creator and Originator of the universe.

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Post time 12-5-2015 07:22 AM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
Ummah2 kapir tak percaya tuhan akan cari berjuta sebab menolak wujudnya tuhan..malah nak ajak sama orang lain jadi bodoh hina sebab sains..sedangkan alam ghaib pun tidak mampu diterokai..pakcik2 dukun senyum sinis aja
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Post time 12-5-2015 09:27 AM | Show all posts
Alion replied at 11-5-2015 10:27 PM
Maksud hadis ini ramalan cuaca adalah haram sebab katanya tak tahu bila hujan.

Hadis ini juga s ...

Bagaimana Alion menafsirkan sesuatu yg 'tidak tahu' boleh menjadi haram jika meramal akannya?

Ultrasound boleh digunakan utk mengetahui jantina bayi. Tetapi, nasib bayi itu tidak diketahui oleh doktor. Sama ada dia akan jadi baik atau tidak, atau lain-lain, tetap tidak diketahui. Hanya Allah sahaja yg tahu.
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Post time 12-5-2015 09:41 AM | Show all posts
Decaffeinated replied at 12-5-2015 12:13 AM
macam mana nak buktikan sesuatu itu tidak wujud?....

Sebelum itu, bolehkah kita menamakan sesuatu yg tidak wujud tanpa kita mengetahui ianya wujud?
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Post time 12-5-2015 11:31 AM | Show all posts
Alion replied at 11-5-2015 04:46 PM
Ada website mendakwa Quran ada byk kesalahan saintifik. Betul ke ni.
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Sc ...

Itu cuma bahalol sendiri terjemah, sendiri tafsir, sendiri meroyan.

Mukjizat yg dah berlaku pula tak ada satu pun dapat dibuktikan sebaliknya oleh sains.
Penulis juga jahil dalam subjek sejarah.
Seperkara lagi
kalo Allah nak turunkan bala bencana sukahati Dia la nak guna kaedah saintifik atau bukan saintifik. Who da hell is that idiot to say god cannot fold up the sun
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Post time 12-5-2015 11:40 AM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
Decaffeinated replied at 12-5-2015 12:45 AM
ko punya lojik ni dah di cantas awal oleh Mr.Beruk (pg#3?) .... nampaknya dia dah dapat membaca le ...

Dicantas bagi dia pakcik..kepala otak dia pikir macam tu..pakcik tak boleh anggap semua orang berfikiran sepertinya dan menerima hujah dia..logik akal kami sebaliknya bukan kerana kami fikir kerana kerusi ada pencipta maka alam ada penciptanya..
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Post time 12-5-2015 12:21 PM | Show all posts
Decaffeinated replied at 12-5-2015 12:08 AM
adakah dakwaan compatibility ini mutual atau sebelah pihak?...

e.g. macam PAS dengan UMNO (cont ...

Bodoh hape nak tunggu kaum kapir ngaku tak betul
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Post time 12-5-2015 12:51 PM | Show all posts
sains jadi bingung sehingga meletak nama partikel TUHAN dlm atom yg menggerakkan proton,neutron   
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Post time 12-5-2015 10:59 PM | Show all posts
elastico replied at 12-5-2015 11:40 AM
Dicantas bagi dia pakcik..kepala otak dia pikir macam tu..pakcik tak boleh anggap semua orang berf ...

Sebenarnya nak percaya agama tak perlu sebab lojika nanti terbelit. Cakap sahaja aku percaya, period. Memang aku tak anggap semua orang macam Alion mau pun macam



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Post time 12-5-2015 11:08 PM | Show all posts
BotakChinPeng replied at 12-5-2015 12:21 PM
Bodoh hape nak tunggu kaum kapir ngaku tak betul

tiada siapa akan mengaku dia tak betul termasuk orang gila....

back to your statement bahaw sains dengan agama itu compatibe tapi aku tanya while science may fit in religion, does religion fit in science?......



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Post time 12-5-2015 11:18 PM | Show all posts
BotakChinPeng replied at 12-5-2015 11:31 AM
Itu cuma bahalol sendiri terjemah, sendiri tafsir, sendiri meroyan.

Mukjizat yg dah berlaku pul ...

bila ko cakap pasal sains nak buktikan mukjizat teringat aku dulu ada tred pasal saintis wat teori yg mukjizat nabi Isa membelah laut.....maka berbondong2lah UMMAH yg bertepuk sorak mengatakan Islam sudah menang dan bukti Islam dan sains selari.....padahal teori tu mmg kejadahan lah sgt nak dipakai pun, dgn masa yg lama, dgn angin yg kencang lehnat bagai.......

http://english3.cari.com.my/foru ... read&tid=758429

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 Author| Post time 14-5-2015 01:18 PM | Show all posts
mashimaru83 replied at 11-5-2015 08:59 PM
Tetapi kajian bigbang tetap sebahagian daripada ilmu sains. Para saintis masih lagi membuat kajian ...

Mengkaji itu proses macam belajar juga. Kajian hasilkan teori. Teori perlu dibuktikan benar.
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 Author| Post time 14-5-2015 01:26 PM | Show all posts
JokesCop replied at 11-5-2015 07:13 PM
Bukti tu salah satu cabang sains, teori pun cabang sains? Are a religious or science person? Nampa ...

Sains kaji hasilkan pelbagai teori. Teori sains boleh dipertikaikan. Banyak pakai otak.

Agama pula tak kaji terus teori. Teori agama haram dipertikaikan. Tak payah pakai otak.

Misalnya agama kata Tuhan cipta alam. Haram dipertikaikan. Tapi sains tak boleh kata Tuhan cipta alam sebab tak ada bukti. Jadi sains sesat di sisi agama sebab bercanggah teori agama.

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Post time 14-5-2015 09:25 PM | Show all posts
Alion replied at 14-5-2015 01:18 PM
Mengkaji itu proses macam belajar juga. Kajian hasilkan teori. Teori perlu dibuktikan benar.

Jadi, apakah kajian yg telah dilakukan oleh Alion mengenai agama, ataupun teori darwin? Boleh saya melihat kajian tersebut supaya boleh dikaji dan dibuktikan kebenarannya?
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Post time 14-5-2015 09:40 PM | Show all posts
agama bnyak campur aduk dgn unsur2 mitos, legenda dan cerita2 penglipur lara
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 Author| Post time 15-5-2015 10:32 AM | Show all posts
sekngucing replied at 14-5-2015 09:40 PM
agama bnyak campur aduk dgn unsur2 mitos, legenda dan cerita2 penglipur lara

Jika tak ada bukan agama namanya. Agama larang pertikaikan itu semua.
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Post time 15-5-2015 10:49 AM | Show all posts
Ilmu itu luas ..... xsemestinya sains betul ....  mungkin fakta yang selama ini kita percaya adalah salah ... begitu juga dengan agama .. mungin agama yang ko anuti sekarang sudah sedikit "berubah" dek budaya mahupun persekitaran orang yang menganutinya ..... mungkin apa yang disampaikan sekarang juga tidaklah purely what were stated in "THE BOOK" ...

X ada masalah  pun mendalami ilmu keduanya ....
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 Author| Post time 15-5-2015 12:55 PM | Show all posts
damian_lee replied at 15-5-2015 10:49 AM
Ilmu itu luas ..... xsemestinya sains betul ....  mungkin fakta yang selama ini kita percaya adalah  ...

Sains bebas boleh dicabar. Kau nak buat kajian cipta manusia pun tiada larangan.

Tapi agama tak bebas tak boleh dicabar. Kau tak boleh buat kajian cipta manusia jika agama kata haram. Image pun haram jika ikut hadis.
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Post time 15-5-2015 01:04 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
Alion replied at 15-5-2015 12:55 PM
Sains bebas boleh dicabar. Kau nak buat kajian cipta manusia pun tiada larangan.

Tapi agama tak ...

Kan selama ini kita bebas mencipta manusia? Arini ko proses, 9 bulan nanti keluarlah ciptaan tu.
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Post time 15-5-2015 05:00 PM | Show all posts
Decaffeinated replied at 12-5-2015 12:18 AM
walau pun aku lebih yakin pada sains, tapi bila bab2 teori big bang semua ni, aku hold dulu nak pe ...

walau pun aku lebih yakin pada sains, tapi bila bab2 teori big bang semua ni, aku hold dulu nak percaya ka tak....

betul le
dalam sains - kena kaji dulu baru dapat rumusan/ketepatannya
tapi masih terhad kan
dan hanya merangkumi yang zahir je

cuba ko tanya puak2 sains - apa ada dalam bumi 100 km???
....mereka andaikan je kan
coba tanya mereka yg ARIF.............apa ada dalam tubuh tiap INSAN
...........baru le leh sengeh memanjang

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