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sam1528 posted on 16-11-2014 04:15 PM
LOL , another cut and paste without understanding. Appears that most or all of your arguments are ...
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Poor old rosy moderator now has to humble himself as cheer leader and sidekick for sissy ustazy sam1528...
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Ibn Abbaas said : The Messenger of Allah said, “Whoever changes his (Islamic) religion, kill him.” Al-Bukhary (number 6922)
Who is that messenger of Allah, is that messenger not Mu-Ham-Mad ??? ,
Ibn Abbas just narrated and quoted what the prophet of doom said.
By denying Mu-Ham-Mad did say “Whoever changes his (Islamic) religion, kill him.” Al-Bukhary (number 6922) . The sissy imbecilic ustazy sam1528 is telling everybody that; "Look here, my Quran is so corrupted that i can't even tell whether these verses came from my paedophilic prophet or his follower !"
How can we forget that Quran and Hadith were written by .......yes, you're right, unknown !
It is a historical fact that Mu-Ham-Mad is a iliterate and unable to read and write.
"So of course Muhammad did not write Quran. Muslims claim that Muhammad dictated the whole Quran to his followers and many of them memorized the Quranic verses word by word and later they wrote it down. The bottom line is that no one knows for sure who wrote the Quran. After the death of Muhammad there was a time when Uthman the third Caliph of Islam ordered to burn all the copies of Quran except one. It was believed that there were variations in text and recitation practice of Quran at that time and so Uthman took this step. "
Really shamelessness is bad, imbecility is bad but for sissy ustazy sam1528, it is a blissful combination.
Again the sissy ustazy is stripped naked by the truth !
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More goodies.....
Those who turn their back on Islam are to be executed. This is confirmed by the words and deeds of Muhammad. The only freedom of belief in Islam is the freedom to become Muslim.
The Qur'an:Qur'an (4:89) - "They wish that you should disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper."
Qur'an (9:11-12) - "But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge. And if they break their pledges after their treaty (hath been made with you) and assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief - Lo! they have no binding oaths - in order that they may desist."
Other verses that seem to support the many Hadith demanding death for apostates are Qur'an verses2:217, 9:73-74,88:21,5:54, and 9:66.
From the Hadith:
The reason why executing apostates has always been well-ensconced in Islamic law is that there is an indisputable record of Muhammad and his companions doing exactly that according to the reliable Hadith. According to verse 4:80 of the Quran: "Whoso obeyeth the Messenger obeyeth Allah."
Bukhari (52:260) - "...The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' " Note that there is no distinction as to how that Muslim came to be a Muslim.
Bukhari (83:37) - "Allah's Apostle never killed anyone except in one of the following three situations: (1) A person who killed somebody unjustly, was killed (in Qisas,) (2) a married person who committed illegal sexual intercourse and (3) a man who fought against Allah and His Apostle and deserted Islam and became an apostate."
Bukhari (84:57) - [In the words of] "Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"
Bukhari (89:271) - A man who embraces Islam, then reverts to Judaism is to be killed according to "the verdict of Allah and his apostle."
Bukhari (84:58) - "There was a fettered man beside Abu Muisa. Mu'adh asked, 'Who is this (man)?' Abu Muisa said, 'He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism.' Then Abu Muisa requested Mu'adh to sit down but Mu'adh said, 'I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and His Apostle (for such cases) and repeated it thrice.' Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, 'Then we discussed the night prayers'"
Bukhari (84:64-65) - "Allah's Apostle: 'During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for whoever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection.'"
Abu Dawud (4346) - "Was not there a wise man among you who would stand up to him when he saw that I had withheld my hand from accepting his allegiance, and kill him?" Muhammad is chastising his companions for allowing an apostate to "repent" under duress. (The person in question was Muhammad's former scribe who left him after doubting the authenticity of divine "revelations" upon finding out that he could suggest grammatical changes. He was brought back to Muhammad after having been captured in Medina).
Reliance of the Traveller (Islamic Law) o8.1 - "When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostatizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed." (o8.4 affirms that there is no penalty for killing an apostate).
Islamic Law:
There is also a consensus by all four schools of Sunni Islamic jurisprudence (i.e., Maliki, Hanbali, Hanafi, and Shafii), as well as classical Shiite jurists, that apostates from Islam must be put to death. The process of declaring a person to be an apostate is known as takfir and the disbeliever is called a murtad.
Averroes (d. 1198), the renowned philosopher and scholar of the natural sciences, who was also an important Maliki jurist, provided this typical Muslim legal opinion on the punishment for apostasy: "An apostate...is to be executed by agreement in the case of a man, because of the words of the Prophet, 'Slay those who change their din [religion]'...Asking the apostate to repent was stipulated as a condition...prior to his execution." The contemporary (i.e., 1991) Al-Azhar (Cairo) Islamic Research Academy endorsed manual of Islamic Law, Umdat al-Salik (pp. 595-96) states: "Leaving Islam is the ugliest form of unbelief (kufr) and the worst.... When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostasizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed. In such a case, it is obligatory...to ask him to repent and return to Islam. If he does it is accepted from him, but if he refuses, he is immediately killed." The equivalent, gravely negative implications of the OIC's Sharia-based Cairo Declaration are most apparent in its transparent rejection of freedom of conscience in Article 10, which proclaims: "Islam is the religion of unspoiled nature. It is prohibited to exercise any form of compulsion on man or to exploit his poverty or ignorance in order to convert him to another religion, or to atheism." Ominously, articles 19 and 22 reiterate a principle stated elsewhere throughout the document, which clearly applies to the "punishment" of so-called "apostates" from Islam: "[19d] There shall be no crime or punishment except as provided for in the Sharia.; [22a] Everyone shall have the right to express his opinion freely in such manner as would not be contrary to the principles of the Sharia.; [22b] Everyone shall have the right to advocate what is right, and propagate what is good, and warn against what is wrong and evil according to the norms of Islamic Sharia.; [22c] Information is a vital necessity to society. It may not be exploited or misused in such a way as may violate sanctities and the dignity of Prophets, undermine moral and ethical values or disintegrate, corrupt or harm society or weaken its faith."
 ......i think this sissy ustazy want to put me to death since i wage verbal war on him........
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mbhcsf posted on 17-11-2014 06:50 AM 
He is incapable of synthesising facts from texts.
However our religious / racist christian bigot ('wkk5159') is a self confessed 'true professional and and expert in his field' and a wannabe tough guy acting out his wet dreams ........
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wkk5159 posted on 17-11-2014 10:36 AM
Ibn Abbaas said : The Messenger of Allah said, “Whoever changes his (Islamic) religion, kill him.” Al-Bukhary (number 6922)
Who is that messenger of Allah, is that messenger not Mu-Ham-Mad ???  ,
Ibn Abbas just narrated and quoted what the prophet of doom said.
By denying Mu-Ham-Mad did say “Whoever changes his (Islamic) religion, kill him.” Al-Bukhary (number 6922) . The sissy imbecilic ustazy sam1528 is telling everybody that; "Look here, my Quran is so corrupted that i can't even tell whether these verses came from my paedophilic prophet or his follower !"
How can we forget that Quran and Hadith were written by .......yes, you're right, unknown !
It is a historical fact that Mu-Ham-Mad is a iliterate and unable to read and write.
"So of course Muhammad did not write Quran. Muslims claim that Muhammad dictated the whole Quran to his followers and many of them memorized the Quranic verses word by word and later they wrote it down. The bottom line is that no one knows for sure who wrote the Quran. After the death of Muhammad there was a time when Uthman the third Caliph of Islam ordered to burn all the copies of Quran except one. It was believed that there were variations in text and recitation practice of Quran at that time and so Uthman took this step. "
Really shamelessness is bad, imbecility is bad but for sissy ustazy sam1528, it is a blissful combination.
Again the sissy ustazy is stripped naked by the truth !
<< 'wkk5159' after realizing that Quran means recitation. Recitation cannot be burned
LOL , I really don't understand it. Why are you making a fool of yourself? All that you have brought up have embarrassed you to no end. Oh yeah , I forget , you are a self confessed 'true professional and an expert in your field' and a wannabe tough guy acting out your wet dreams .... ha ha
I thought it is very clear the phrase 'whoever change his religion , kill him' was uttered by Ibn Abbas and you acknowledgde it per your post #158
Ibn Abbaas said : The Messenger of Allah said, “Whoever changes his (Islamic) religion, kill him.” Al-Bukhary (number 6922)
Aiiik? Now it jumping to the preservation of the Quran? You are like a Mexican jumping bean , jumping from one issue to another without any understanding after being soundly refuted. Caliph Uthman(ra) burned the Quran? Issit burning the 'suhuf' or 'mushaf' of the Quran? Quran means recitation. How do you exactly burn a recitation? This is something new , you claiming that a recitation can be burnt. Where did you learn this?
How can there be other mushaf of the Quran when it was in the time of Caliph Uthman(ra) the first mushaf was compiled from 'suhuf Hafsah' and each verse being confirmed by 2 written verses from the public? So what other mushafs did Caliph Uthman(ra) burn?
LOL , you are already confused. Do you actually know what you are talking about or you are just farting thru your mouth? Aiyoo , I forget again - you are a self confessed 'true professional and an expert in your field' and a wannabe tough guy acting your wet dreams ..... ha ha
Quran / Hadiths written by unknowns? Quran means recitation. Hadiths written by unknowns? Then what is the isnad system all about? You are like a headless chicken running around in circles chasing your own backside. Ha ha
TQ for admitting that Prophet Muhammad(saw) was illiterate. That means the Quran can only be Allah's revelation which is about the only possibility.
Debunked without effort .... this is just too easy ....
The questions you have been evading :
(1) Name 1 peaceful apostate who was executed in the history of Islam (in relation to your cartoon ..... well its a cartoon)
(2) Where in the Quran that calls for the execution of peaceful apostates (for that matter in the hadiths)
(3) Is the bible wrong in eze16:7-8 of its support in Prophet Muhammad(saw) marriage to Aishah(ra)?
(4) Is the bible wrong that it teaches by example of prepubescent marriage (and sex) with biblical Isaac(40) who married biblical Rebekah(3)?
(5) What other mushaf of Quran did Caliph Uthman(ra) burned? In his caliphate , the first mushaf was compiled.
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wkk5159 posted on 17-11-2014 11:19 AM
ore goodies.....
Those who turn their back on Islam are to be executed. This is confirmed by the words and deeds of Muhammad. The only freedom of belief in Islam is the freedom to become Muslim.
The Qur'an:Qur'an (4:89) - "They wish that you should disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper."
Qur'an (9:11-12) - "But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge. And if they break their pledges after their treaty (hath been made with you) and assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief - Lo! they have no binding oaths - in order that they may desist."
Other verses that seem to support the many Hadith demanding death for apostates are Qur'an verses2:217, 9:73-74,88:21,5:54, and 9:66.
From the Hadith:
The reason why executing apostates has always been well-ensconced in Islamic law is that there is an indisputable record of Muhammad and his companions doing exactly that according to the reliable Hadith. According to verse 4:80 of the Quran: "Whoso obeyeth the Messenger obeyeth Allah."
Bukhari (52:260) - "...The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' " Note that there is no distinction as to how that Muslim came to be a Muslim.
Bukhari (83:37) - "Allah's Apostle never killed anyone except in one of the following three situations: (1) A person who killed somebody unjustly, was killed (in Qisas,) (2) a married person who committed illegal sexual intercourse and (3) a man who fought against Allah and His Apostle and deserted Islam and became an apostate."
Bukhari (84:57) - [In the words of] "Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"
Bukhari (89:271) - A man who embraces Islam, then reverts to Judaism is to be killed according to "the verdict of Allah and his apostle."
Bukhari (84:58) - "There was a fettered man beside Abu Muisa. Mu'adh asked, 'Who is this (man)?' Abu Muisa said, 'He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism.' Then Abu Muisa requested Mu'adh to sit down but Mu'adh said, 'I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and His Apostle (for such cases) and repeated it thrice.' Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, 'Then we discussed the night prayers'"
Bukhari (84:64-65) - "Allah's Apostle: 'During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for whoever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection.'"
Abu Dawud (4346) - "Was not there a wise man among you who would stand up to him when he saw that I had withheld my hand from accepting his allegiance, and kill him?" Muhammad is chastising his companions for allowing an apostate to "repent" under duress. (The person in question was Muhammad's former scribe who left him after doubting the authenticity of divine "revelations" upon finding out that he could suggest grammatical changes. He was brought back to Muhammad after having been captured in Medina).
Reliance of the Traveller (Islamic Law) o8.1 - "When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostatizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed." (o8.4 affirms that there is no penalty for killing an apostate).
Islamic Law:
There is also a consensus by all four schools of Sunni Islamic jurisprudence (i.e., Maliki, Hanbali, Hanafi, and Shafii), as well as classical Shiite jurists, that apostates from Islam must be put to death. The process of declaring a person to be an apostate is known as takfir and the disbeliever is called a murtad.
Averroes (d. 1198), the renowned philosopher and scholar of the natural sciences, who was also an important Maliki jurist, provided this typical Muslim legal opinion on the punishment for apostasy: "An apostate...is to be executed by agreement in the case of a man, because of the words of the Prophet, 'Slay those who change their din [religion]'...Asking the apostate to repent was stipulated as a condition...prior to his execution." The contemporary (i.e., 1991) Al-Azhar (Cairo) Islamic Research Academy endorsed manual of Islamic Law, Umdat al-Salik (pp. 595-96) states: "Leaving Islam is the ugliest form of unbelief (kufr) and the worst.... When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostasizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed. In such a case, it is obligatory...to ask him to repent and return to Islam. If he does it is accepted from him, but if he refuses, he is immediately killed." The equivalent, gravely negative implications of the OIC's Sharia-based Cairo Declaration are most apparent in its transparent rejection of freedom of conscience in Article 10, which proclaims: "Islam is the religion of unspoiled nature. It is prohibited to exercise any form of compulsion on man or to exploit his poverty or ignorance in order to convert him to another religion, or to atheism." Ominously, articles 19 and 22 reiterate a principle stated elsewhere throughout the document, which clearly applies to the "punishment" of so-called "apostates" from Islam: "[19d] There shall be no crime or punishment except as provided for in the Sharia.; [22a] Everyone shall have the right to express his opinion freely in such manner as would not be contrary to the principles of the Sharia.; [22b] Everyone shall have the right to advocate what is right, and propagate what is good, and warn against what is wrong and evil according to the norms of Islamic Sharia.; [22c] Information is a vital necessity to society. It may not be exploited or misused in such a way as may violate sanctities and the dignity of Prophets, undermine moral and ethical values or disintegrate, corrupt or harm society or weaken its faith."
 ......i think this sissy ustazy want to put me to death since i wage verbal war on him........
LOL , until now I am still waiting for you to provide me with the injunction from the Quran for killing of apostates. Cannot find aaah?
Quran4:89? Quran 4:90 answer the question ; (sahih international)
Except for those who take refuge with a people between yourselves and whom is a treaty or those who come to you, their hearts strained at [the prospect of] fighting you or fighting their own people. And if Allah had willed, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you. So if they remove themselves from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not made for you a cause [for fighting] against them.
Quran9:11-12 ; I have underlined for you the reasons
Again waging war against the muslims. LOL , you don't seem to understand what you read.
LOL , now you are going to the hadiths? Why quote bit part but not the full hadith? Lets have a look at the hadiths :
Bukhari 52:260
Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "
Bukhari 83:37
"By Allah, Allah's Apostle never killed anyone except in one of the following three situations: (1) A person who killed somebody unjustly, was killed (in Qisas,) (2) a married person who committed illegal sexual intercourse and (3) a man who fought against Allah and His Apostle and deserted Islam and became an apostate."
Bukhari 84:57
Ibn 'Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"
Bukhari 89:271
"He embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism." Mu'adh said, "I will not sit down unless you kill him (as it is) the verdict of Allah and His Apostle
Bukhari 84:58
- See above
Bukhari 84:64-65
See the underlined , these are pretenders per my explanation in post #153
Abu Dawud 4346
Was Abi Sarth executed? Yes or No?
LOL , in the end it is again death for the people waging war against Islam. You are just copy pasting (without understanding) unknown links trying to support your arguments. The stand of Al Azhar is always death to the people who wage war against Islam.
My question again : Where in the Quran or for that matter the Hadith that calls for death for the peaceful apostates? You have provided nothing so far but in delusion that you have provided something. Aiyoo , I forget again , you are a self confessed 'true professional and an expert in your field' and a wannabe tough guy acting out his wet dreams.
The questions you have been evading :
(1) Name 1 peaceful apostate who was executed in the history of Islam (in relation to your cartoon ..... well its a cartoon)
(2) Where in the Quran that calls for the execution of peaceful apostates (for that matter in the hadiths)
(3) Is the bible wrong in eze16:7-8 of its support in Prophet Muhammad(saw) marriage to Aishah(ra)?
(4) Is the bible wrong that it teaches by example of prepubescent marriage (and sex) with biblical Isaac(40) who married biblical Rebekah(3)?
(5) What other mushaf of Quran did Caliph Uthman(ra) burned? In his caliphate , the first mushaf was compiled.
Debunked without effort ..... again ..... ha ha
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wkk5159 posted on 18-11-2014 10:49 AM
Debunk without effort again....
Debate with imbecilic muslim is pure amusement, they will vonluntarily expose their stupidity and absurdity just with slight provovation, and voila you have a sissy ustazy who brag about her surreal victory when in actual fact she just nakedly expose the true deceptional faces of Islam for all good Samaritans to savour.
Case 1 - Ibn Abbaas said : The Messenger of Allah said, “Whoever changes his (Islamic) religion, kill him.” Al-Bukhary (number 6922)
Clearly here Ibn Abbaas just narrated and quoted what the Mesenger of Allah said, who is the Messenger of Allah ??? Mu-Ham-Mad of course !
But this imbecilic sissy ustazy says since it wasn't blabbered by her prophet of doom but instead it was something said by Ibn Abbaas, so it got nothing to do with their Mu-Ham-Mad and Allah. In other word, he is admitting that Hadith and Quran just books inspired by people like Ibn Abbaas and not Allah(who possess Mu-Ham-Mad)
Case 2 - Since this sissy ustazy only accept what was directly uttered or any action by her prophet as someting valid. Hence she is also admitting that her copy of Quran is just a product of 3rd Caliph Uthman and was not Allah inspired since Uthman was the one who compiled the Quran and burnt the irrelevant copies he deemed corrupted and it wasn't compiled and even written by Mu-Ham_Mad. 
Again this sissy ustazy is plucked naked by the truth !
<<< 'wkk5159' realizing that he doesn't know the meaning of paraphrase
LOL , you are still at it and not ashamed to be embarrassed further? For being a thick skin , you get an A+. For providing factual arguments , you get a F-. Aiyoo , I forget again , you are a self confessed 'true professional and an expert in your field' and a wannabe tough guy acting out your wet dreams.
(1) Refer to the underlined. If ibn Abbas has narrated and quoted Prophet Muhammad(saw) verbatim it would be Bukhaari, 6878; Muslim, 1676 and Sunan Abu Dawud Vol. 4, Number 4353 (my post#153). Therefore the phrase “Whoever changes his (Islamic) religion, kill him.” Al-Bukhary (number 6922) is a paraphrase by ibn Abbas. In case you don't know what is paraphrase :
a statement that says something that another person has said or written in a different way
LOL , you don't even know what is a paraphrase. No wonder you are like a headless chicken going round in circles chasing your backside. Oops , in other words you are a self confessed 'true professional and an expert in your field' and a wannabe tough guy acting out his wet dreams.
(2) LOL , this again is evidence that you don't even know what you are talking about. I provided you the clue that mushaf Uthman(ra) was an exact copy of suhuf Hafsah(ra) which was the documented recitation during the lifetime of Prophet Muhammad(saw). It was further confirmed verse by verse with 2 written verses from the public. You are lost and going round and round in circles chasing your backside. Then of course , you are a self confessed 'true professional and an expert in your field' and a wannabe tough guy acting out his wet dreams. Since we are talking about scriptures ; how was the bible compiled? This is one comical process after another , Prof Bart Ehrman :
Thus the canon of the New Testament was ratified by widespread consensus rather than by official proclamation. Still , by the beginning of the fifth century , most churches in the Christian world agreed on its contours.
The books of the bible (NT) was compiled thru popular reading. In other words , the christians voted on what the Christian God should say. Ha ha ....
Observe folks , see just how this religious / racist bigot in 'wkk5159' is trying to distance away from the biblical injunction that an apostate must be killed per deut13:6-10
13:6 If–your brother, the son of your mother, or your son, or your daughter, or the wife of your bosom, or your friend, which is as your own soul–entice you secretly, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods,” which you have not known–not you, nor your fathers;
13:7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, near to you, or far off from you, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;
13:8 You shall not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall your eye pity him, neither shall you spare, neither shall you conceal him:
13:9 But you must surely kill him; your hand must be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.
13:10 And you must stone him with stones, that he die; because he has sought to thrust you away from the LORD your God.
joh15:6
If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.
LOL , you are soooo scared to address your biblical verses that an apostate must be killed.
The questions you have been evading :
(1) Name 1 peaceful apostate who was executed in the history of Islam (in relation to your cartoon ..... well its a cartoon)
(2) Where in the Quran that calls for the execution of peaceful apostates (for that matter in the hadiths)
(3) Is the bible wrong in eze16:7-8 of its support in Prophet Muhammad(saw) marriage to Aishah(ra)?
(4) Is the bible wrong that it teaches by example of prepubescent marriage (and sex) with biblical Isaac(40) who married biblical Rebekah(3)?
(5) What other mushaf of Quran did Caliph Uthman(ra) burned? In his caliphate , the first mushaf was compiled.
Debunked without effort .... ha ha
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Debunked without effort again but this time with extra whining of running in cycle ala headless chicken...
Anyone with average IQ easily sees that this sissy ustazy didn't even answer any of my statements but instead she as usual starts whining, divert attention by attacking Christianity(this is the best part) and eventually bragging about his delusional triumph again...
Paraphrase ??? ....definition; A restatement of speech or writing that retains the basic meaning while changing the words. A paraphrase often clarifies the original statement by putting it into words that are more easily understood.
He now officially declaring that Quran and Hadith was authored by people like Ibn Abbaas, prophet of doom Mu-Ham-Mad & Allah play no part in Quran and Hadith.
If ISIS is in the vicinity, this sexual comforter for ISIS sure got her genital mutilated and head beheaded for his irresponsible statement on Quran and Hadith.
Since this sissy ustazy didn't answer slight bit of the truth i put forward, i magnify it this time around for all to enjoy.
Case 1 - Ibn Abbaas said : The Messenger of Allah said, “Whoever changes his (Islamic) religion, kill him.” Al-Bukhary (number 6922)
Clearly here Ibn Abbaas just narrated and quoted what the Mesenger of Allah said, who is the Messenger of Allah ??? Prophet of doom, Mu-Ham-Mad of course !
But this imbecilic sissy ustazy says since it wasn't blabbered by her prophet of doom but instead it was something said by Ibn Abbaas, so it got nothing to do with their Mu-Ham-Mad and Allah. In other word, he is admitting that Hadith and Quran just books inspired by people like Ibn Abbaas and not Allah(who possess Mu-Ham-Mad)
Case 2 - Since this sissy ustazy only accept what was directly uttered or any action by her prophet as someting valid. Hence she is also admitting that her copy of Quran is just a product of 3rd Caliph Uthman and was not Allah inspired since Uthman was the one who compiled the Quran and burnt the irrelevant copies he deemed corrupted because Quran and Hadith weren't compiled and even written by Mu-Ham_Mad.
Oops ! Again this sissy ustazy is plucked naked by the truth !
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wkk5159 posted on 18-11-2014 02:10 PM
Debunked without effort again but this time with extra whining of running in cycle ala headless chicken...
Anyone with average IQ easily sees that this sissy ustazy didn't even answer any of my statements but instead she as usual starts whining, divert attention by attacking Christianity(this is the best part) and eventually bragging about his delusional triumph again...
Paraphrase ??? ....definition; A restatement of speech or writing that retains the basic meaning while changing the words. A paraphrase often clarifies the original statement by putting it into words that are more easily understood.
He now officially declaring that Quran and Hadith was authored by people like Ibn Abbaas, prophet of doom Mu-Ham-Mad & Allah play no part in Quran and Hadith.
If ISIS is in the vicinity, this sexual comforter for ISIS sure got her genital mutilated and head beheaded for his irresponsible statement on Quran and Hadith.
Since this sissy ustazy didn't answer slight bit of the truth i put forward, i magnify it this time around for all to enjoy.
Case 1 - Ibn Abbaas said : The Messenger of Allah said, “Whoever changes his (Islamic) religion, kill him.” Al-Bukhary (number 6922)
Clearly here Ibn Abbaas just narrated and quoted what the Mesenger of Allah said, who is the Messenger of Allah ??? Prophet of doom, Mu-Ham-Mad of course !
But this imbecilic sissy ustazy says since it wasn't blabbered by her prophet of doom but instead it was something said by Ibn Abbaas, so it got nothing to do with their Mu-Ham-Mad and Allah. In other word, he is admitting that Hadith and Quran just books inspired by people like Ibn Abbaas and not Allah(who possess Mu-Ham-Mad)
Case 2 - Since this sissy ustazy only accept what was directly uttered or any action by her prophet as someting valid. Hence she is also admitting that her copy of Quran is just a product of 3rd Caliph Uthman and was not Allah inspired since Uthman was the one who compiled the Quran and burnt the irrelevant copies he deemed corrupted because Quran and Hadith weren't compiled and even written by Mu-Ham_Mad.
Oops ! Again this sissy ustazy is plucked naked by the truth !
<< 'wkk5159' forcing himself to believe that paraphrase means the context of bukhari 6922 = sunan abu dawud 4:4353 but too scared to answer questions pertaining it.
LOL , this is getting from bad to worse for you.
(1) Ooooh I see , paraphrase to you means rewording for greater clarity? Ok then ibn Abbas in paraphrasing Prophet Muhammad(saw) in Bukhari 6922 (from you) :
The Messenger of Allah said, “Whoever changes his (Islamic) religion, kill him.”
However Prophet Muhammad(saw) own words Sunan Abu Dawud Vol. 4, Number 4353
... a man who went out fighting against God and His Messenger; he is to be killed or crucified or exiled from the land
being extension to al-Bukhaari, 6878; Muslim, 1676
... one who leaves his religion and splits form the jamaa’ah (main group of Muslims).”
Is the context of Bukhari 6922 = context of Sunan Abu Dawud Vol. 4, Number 4353? Yes or No?
You would surely run and never even attempt to answer. Of course you would run because you are a self confessed 'true professional and an expert in your field' and a wannabe tough guy acting out his wet dreams .... ha ha
(2) Aiyoo , not even attempting to answer any queries but quoting your very own version of history from your wet dreams. This is really bad. Pssst , do you know the difference between 'suhuf' and 'mushaf'?
Observe folks , haters like this religious / racist bigot in 'wkk5159' (plus 'sepiroth' and 'truth.8') always follow the same pattern
(1) Quote from another hater ; when refuted
(2) Reduce the quote to change the meaning to suit their hate ; when refuted
(3) Make up their own version of history ; when refuted
(4) Go back to point #3
Thus the circular argument
Hmmm , now it is jumping to genital mutilation? Isn't it a tribal custom?
In Nigeria, of the six largest ethnic groups, the Yoruba, Hausa, Fulani, Ibo, Ijaw, and Kanuri, only the Fulani do not practice any form.[9]
FGM varies from country to country, tribes, religion, and from one state and cultural setting to another, and no continent in the world has been exempted.[3] In most parts of Nigeria, it is carried out at a very young age (minors) and there is no possibility of the individual's consent.[6] Type I and Type II are more widespread and less harmful compared to Type III and Type IV. In Nigeria, there is greater prevalence of Type I excision in the south, with extreme forms of FGM prevalent in the North. Practice of FGM has no relationship with religion. Muslims and Christians practice it, but it is more widely spread in Christian predominated parts of Nigeria.[2]
LOL , you don't know of such? Ooops , my bad , I forget - you are a self confessed 'true professional and an expert in your field' and a wannabe tough guy acting out his wet dreams ....ha ha
Still waiting for answers :
(1) Name 1 peaceful apostate who was executed in the history of Islam (in relation to your cartoon ..... well its a cartoon)
(2) Where in the Quran that calls for the execution of peaceful apostates (for that matter in the hadiths)
(3) Is the bible wrong in eze16:7-8 of its support in Prophet Muhammad(saw) marriage to Aishah(ra)?
(4) Is the bible wrong that it teaches by example of prepubescent marriage (and sex) with biblical Isaac(40) who married biblical Rebekah(3)?
(5) What other mushaf of Quran did Caliph Uthman(ra) burned? In his caliphate , the first mushaf was compiled.
(6) What about the bible injunction to kill apostates per deut13:6-10 and joh15:6?
Tick tock - tick tock ...... no answers till now ....
Stand aside folks ..... 'wkk5159' is running away as fast as he could.
Debunked without effort
Late entry - this is apt for you ..... a confused person
Last edited by sam1528 on 18-11-2014 08:29 PM
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wkk5159 posted on 18-11-2014 02:10 PM
Debunked without effort again but this time with extra whining of running in cycle ala headless chic ...
Dah lama tak jengok kat sini.
Ingat ka si pelahap babi cina dap ni dah berhenti menyalak sebab dah kantoi, rupa-rupanya tukaq topik baru pula
Tapi macam biasalah...topik baru tapi hujah bodoh...ujung-ujung kena belasah kawkaw jua.
Tersenyum sinis...
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Fish brained ikan kaghing coming back for his signature imbecility remark, great ! at least he provides some doses of alternative amusements to the sissy ustazy sam1528...
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The Messenger of Allah said, “Whoever changes his (Islamic) religion, kill him.” Bukhari 6922 ... "a man who went out fighting against God and His Messenger; he is to be killed or crucified or exiled from the land "Sunan Abu Dawud Vol. 4, Number 4353
... "one who leaves his religion and splits form the jamaa’ah (main group of Muslims).” Al-Bukhaari, 6878; Muslim, 1676
Does the above 3 verses literally mean killing of apostates(changes his religion, fighting against Allah & his messenger, leaves his religion...) to us ??? Yes ! couldn't be any direct forward !
Like i said before, shamelessness is bad, stupidity is worse but for low grade deceptor wannabe sissy ustazy sam1528, it is a blissful combination...
Debunked without effort again but this time with extra extra whining ala a shemale...
Obviously this sissy ustazy couldn't answer any of my points because he can't ! He cannot defend something which is indefensible...
He now further cementing the fact that Quran and Hadith was authored by people like Ibn Abbaas, prophet of doom Mu-Ham-Mad & Allah play no part in Quran and Hadith.
Since this sissy ustazy failed miserably again in answering the truth i put forward, i magnify it again for all to enjoy.
Case 1 - Ibn Abbaas said : The Messenger of Allah said, “Whoever changes his (Islamic) religion, kill him.” Al-Bukhary (number 6922)
Clearly here Ibn Abbaas just narrated and quoted what the Mesenger of Allah said, who is the Messenger of Allah ??? Prophet of doom, Mu-Ham-Mad of course !
But this imbecilic sissy ustazy says since it wasn't blabbered by her prophet of doom but instead it was something said by Ibn Abbaas, so it got nothing to do with their Mu-Ham-Mad and Allah. In other word, he is admitting that Hadith and Quran just books inspired by people like Ibn Abbaas and not Allah(who possess Mu-Ham-Mad)
Case 2 - Since this sissy ustazy only accept what was directly uttered or any action by her prophet as someting valid. Hence she is also admitting that her copy of Quran is just a product of 3rd Caliph Uthman and was not Allah inspired since Uthman was the one who compiled the Quran and burnt the irrelevant copies he deemed corrupted because Quran and Hadith weren't compiled and even written by Mu-Ham_Mad.
Oops ! Again and again this sissy ustazy is plucked naked by the truth !
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wkk5159 posted on 19-11-2014 10:20 AM
The Messenger of Allah said, “Whoever changes his (Islamic) religion, kill him.” Bukhari 6922
... "a man who went out fighting against God and His Messenger; he is to be killed or crucified or exiled from the land "Sunan Abu Dawud Vol. 4, Number 4353
... "one who leaves his religion and splits form the jamaa’ah (main group of Muslims).” Al-Bukhaari, 6878; Muslim, 1676
Does the above 3 verses literally mean killing of apostates(changes his religion, fighting against Allah & his messenger, leaves his religion...) to us ??? Yes ! couldn't be any direct forward !
Like i said before, shamelessness is bad, stupidity is worse but for low grade deceptor wannabe sissy ustazy sam1528, it is a blissful combination...
Debunked without effort again but this time with extra extra whining ala a shemale...
Obviously this sissy ustazy couldn't answer any of my points because he can't ! He cannot defend something which is indefensible...
He now further cementing the fact that Quran and Hadith was authored by people like Ibn Abbaas, prophet of doom Mu-Ham-Mad & Allah play no part in Quran and Hadith.
Since this sissy ustazy failed miserably again in answering the truth i put forward, i magnify it again for all to enjoy.
Case 1 - Ibn Abbaas said : The Messenger of Allah said, “Whoever changes his (Islamic) religion, kill him.” Al-Bukhary (number 6922)
Clearly here Ibn Abbaas just narrated and quoted what the Mesenger of Allah said, who is the Messenger of Allah ??? Prophet of doom, Mu-Ham-Mad of course !
But this imbecilic sissy ustazy says since it wasn't blabbered by her prophet of doom but instead it was something said by Ibn Abbaas, so it got nothing to do with their Mu-Ham-Mad and Allah. In other word, he is admitting that Hadith and Quran just books inspired by people like Ibn Abbaas and not Allah(who possess Mu-Ham-Mad)
Case 2 - Since this sissy ustazy only accept what was directly uttered or any action by her prophet as someting valid. Hence she is also admitting that her copy of Quran is just a product of 3rd Caliph Uthman and was not Allah inspired since Uthman was the one who compiled the Quran and burnt the irrelevant copies he deemed corrupted because Quran and Hadith weren't compiled and even written by Mu-Ham_Mad.
Oops ! Again and again this sissy ustazy is plucked naked by the truth !
<< 'wkk5159' trying hard to force himself to believe that 'Whoever changes his (Islamic) religion, kill him' = "a man who went out fighting against God and His Messenger; he is to be killed or crucified or exiled from the land .... ha ha
LOL , told you that you are a confused person.
Now you are forcing yourself to believe that the underlined means just kill apostates. Can you now explain what is context of
a man who went out fighting against God and His Messenger;
per Sunan Abu Dawud 4:4353 in reference to death for the apostate? Lets see if you are brave enough to answer.
I am right again , refer to the 4 steps haters like you always employ :
(1) Quote from another hater ; when refuted
(2) Reduce the quote to change the meaning to suit their hate ; when refuted
(3) Make up their own version of history ; when refuted
(4) Go back to point #3
Now you are going back to step #2. Of course you are , you are a self confessed 'true professional and an expert in your field' and a wannabe tough guy acting out your wet dreams.
(1) LOL , Like I stated , you are just forcing yourself to believe what you want to believe. You are just running away from your own argument. You still have not addressed Bukhari 9:89:316 where no action against a peaceful apostate
Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:
A bedouin gave the Pledge of allegiance to Allah's Apostle for Islam and the bedouin got a fever where upon he said to the Prophet "Cancel my Pledge." But the Prophet refused. He came to him (again) saying, "Cancel my Pledge.' But the Prophet refused. Then (the bedouin) left (Medina). Allah's Apostle said: "Medina is like a pair of bellows (furnace): It expels its impurities and brightens and clears its good."
(2) LOL , told you that you have been reduced to just prattling. Still waiting for your explanation of 'suhuf Hafsah' and 'mushaf Uthman'. Tick tock - tick tock
Still waiting for answers :
(1) Name 1 peaceful apostate who was executed in the history of Islam (in relation to your cartoon ..... well its a cartoon)
(2) Where in the Quran that calls for the execution of peaceful apostates (for that matter in the hadiths)
(3) Is the bible wrong in eze16:7-8 of its support in Prophet Muhammad(saw) marriage to Aishah(ra)?
(4) Is the bible wrong that it teaches by example of prepubescent marriage (and sex) with biblical Isaac(40) who married biblical Rebekah(3)?
(5) What other mushaf of Quran did Caliph Uthman(ra) burned? In his caliphate , the first mushaf was compiled.
(6) What about the bible injunction to kill apostates per deut13:6-10 and joh15:6?
Running round and round goes 'wkk5159'
Debunked without effort
Last edited by sam1528 on 19-11-2014 11:32 AM
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Errr no. This is what we call copy paste without understanding.
Quoting from your link
Luke 14:26 says,If any man come to me, and hate not his father and mother, and wife, and children, brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
"Hate" here does not mean to have no love at all nor to actively seek the harm of others.
Meaning of hate :
extreme dislike or antipathy :
Now you are saying hate = love? No wonder you are confused. Normal what , you are a self confessed 'true professional and an expert in your field' and a wannabe tough guy acting out his wet dreams..... ha ha
Try again .....
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