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[Dunia] Covid-19: Doktor Di Mexico Dikejar Ke Hospital Selepas Disuntik Vaksin

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Post time 3-1-2021 05:22 PM | Show all posts
Aerhys replied at 3-1-2021 05:13 PM
Hello it's not just me I'm concerned about. What about my family, my parents, my friends? Ada yg f ...

https://theconversation.com/coro ... expert-guide-151971
then asked KKM

talian khidmat depa ada pun

atau u ada family internal physician
i think from your questions there are many things which i think  you need to cover the bases first, and the best person is your family / or your internal physician

kalau i cakap yg anaphylactic ni kalau i takut
ni kalau i u jgn ikut i
i akan stay kat hopsital tempat tunggu if tere is no covid19 risk and tunggu for 1 hour - kita takut ialah anaphylactic reaction - so BILA I cakap anaphylactic ke hypersensitivity ke

u must know all tehse dulu then you ask your family physician

jgnlah terasa dipaksa or emotional sangat like they are coming to get you

okay?

relax
https://theconversation.com/coro ... expert-guide-151971


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Post time 3-1-2021 05:24 PM | Show all posts
Dwdrum replied at 3-1-2021 05:15 PM
For this trial ramai experts watch every single detail data... I memang faham sangat if ummah sc ...

hehehehe

aih makcik .....

hehheheeh


I applaud your effort to write in Malay.

aihhhhhhhh makcik hang tulih englais laaa weiii....



sabar


i faham what  you mean


heheheh


it is okay

iam with you

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Post time 3-1-2021 05:28 PM | Show all posts
Dwdrum replied at 3-1-2021 05:15 PM
For this trial ramai experts watch every single detail data... I memang faham sangat if ummah sc ...

apology babe.... anyway wlecome to tulih lagu ni my diciple cewahhhhhhhh , hahahah

i read yours for the second time

can promise u... For anti vax... Kaki provoke.. Sceptics mereka tidak tahu google for these topic secara detail... All cameout in scientific way which is hard for them to understand... Same goes to 1 of compound mereka cuba interprate terus jadi lucifier.. .... Semua boleh boleh review.. Tidak limit kepada siapa pun... But the irony mereka skipped detail dan hard to understand just fit the way they want...


ya lah faham...tak pelah cabaran it is kay



Sambung tentang this systhetic particle...  U are free ti ask physicians yang kenal tentang desinging the drugs/treatment using this technology..ask 10 physician 10 out of 10.. no idea .and free ti ask KKM or IMR how long merrka guna this crispr.. Eventho i sudah tahu jawapan.. Crispr bukan baru in my world... Untuk my view to design encode this vaccine lebih mudah dari designing for cancer treatment to replace chemo.. Yang lipid issue untuk rawatan brain cancer juga mereka collect konon nya data mereka ada nanoparticle akan damage brain cell.. Di remore control the worst terus jadi zombie.. Mutate all cell jadi walking dead..




i dunno what is crispr ? what is that - that is interesting - cares to explain






...This thing need to be done... Collect the data... Get the result...somehow tidak perlu anjing kan effort orang lain... Or else kita akan begini... Look at data spanish flu... Berapa ramai terkorban... Social distancing.. Facemask really works?.... Btw just kurang kan risk not more than that....


ya laa...  faham , thsu far that is the only thing that is practical and cheap, while waiting for the vaccine or what lah
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Post time 3-1-2021 05:28 PM | Show all posts
airfilterkotor replied at 3-1-2021 05:06 PM
Fasa 3 tu kalu tak salah utk orang macam kita ni haa...barangkali pada yang sukarela.

Yang 1 da ...

Jadi memang mereka tidak diberikan pilihan kan? Terpaksa ambil.

Vaksin itu bukan ubat 100% boleh eradicate the virus completely pun dan belum ada bukti betul2 berkesan mahupun boleh hentikan transmisi virus. And we are depending on it like our life depend on it. Ramai orang boleh sembuh dengan sendiri, mortality rate pun rendah. Cuma kena jaga SOP dan tingkatkan imunisasi badan. Ambil supplements dan jaga pemakanan dan tubuh badan. I'm not saying all vaccines are bad, I just need to see enough results and promising data about its effectiveness before putting it inside my body. Right now, it's just too early to tell.
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Post time 3-1-2021 05:30 PM | Show all posts
Aerhys replied at 3-1-2021 05:28 PM
Jadi memang mereka tidak diberikan pilihan kan? Terpaksa ambil.

Vaksin itu bukan ubat 100% bole ...

Call KKM
jgn confirm apa apa just by reading the media


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Post time 3-1-2021 05:37 PM | Show all posts
mbhcsf replied at 3-1-2021 05:22 PM
https://theconversation.com/coronavirus-vaccine-understanding-trial-results-roll-out-and-what-happ ...

I knew it would be useless to voice out my concern here so apa2 sajalah. Siapa2 yg mahu ambil vaksin itu ambillah tapi jangan pukul rata kami yg bimbang untuk ambil vaksin ini sebagai anti vaxx lah conspiracy theorists lah just anything just to downplay our concerns and opinions. This is a public forum semua berhak memberikan pendapat mereka tanpa apa2 prejudis. Lainlah kalau ada unsur menghina atau provokasi.
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Post time 3-1-2021 05:44 PM | Show all posts
mbhcsf replied at 3-1-2021 05:30 PM
Call KKM
jgn confirm apa apa just by reading the media

I will discuss it with my family members in KKM. Mereka sendiri pun risau. Some doctors around the world are voicing out their concerns too. The concerns aren't baseless like many are trying to make it to be. Adoi the same can be said about all the medias yg pongpang2 kebaikan vaksin covid lah can't trust them either so we have to dig even deeper to find the truths.
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Post time 3-1-2021 05:52 PM | Show all posts
Edited by mbhcsf at 3-1-2021 05:55 PM
Aerhys replied at 3-1-2021 05:37 PM
I knew it would be useless to voice out my concern here so apa2 sajalah. Siapa2 yg mahu ambil vaks ...

ini bukan kene mengena dengan your replies ( tulisan saya di bawah ni bukan kena pada u )
dan  jgn la  accuse pihak lain tak beretika lah apa apa sebelum  retrive all the information dan fahamkan juga asas dulu sebelum kita tulis statement  the best thing is to behonest on what we dont know and what we know

tak downplay mana mana pihak but it is suggested to review their understanding.

sebab tu i encouraged you to talk  to your GP or physician eventhough Dwidrum cakap bebenda yg involved technology atau related to drig design , mereka yg terlibat sahaja  tahu.


u kena faham jugak  ye banyak benda yg berlegar legar dalam media diambil pukul rata oleh golongan tertentu

contohnya artikel ni

u lihat saja

doktor pakar tu dapat anaphylactic shock ( what is it actually  ? apa ni anaphylaxis ni - can ask what kalau tak faham )

DOKTOR PAKAR - what does it mean to  us ye bila baca article p mac ni
it is shocking to note that a specialist in mexico tak dapat kesan dia ada simptom vaccine allergy

then comes the people yg nak sensasikan cerita - eh tengok org mati vaccine ni - wow sensasi

semua org kutuk vaccine

tapi faham ke bacake sebelum ni ada dah diterangkan ada allergic jgn ambil

u baca dalam thread ni berapa yg faham

then bila cakap clinical trial okay fahamkan dulu
so how to conform yours kalau u tak called up KKM

bukan dwnlplay tau tapi there are layers of concept which i think have been missed out by the public and these things macam dwidrum cakap details , yg perlukan rujukan dan sit down teliti baca and faham and asking questions

which you ahev done which is good
now i know kenapa u concern

i hope bygining you info that you are in teh control  - how asking pihak yg berwajib
i think u can ask
u are allowed to

i am sure nenanti ade lah EFFORT KKM

atau kita tulis sini

Ok KKM or whoever  tolong address public concern


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Post time 3-1-2021 05:54 PM | Show all posts
Aerhys replied at 3-1-2021 05:28 PM
Jadi memang mereka tidak diberikan pilihan kan? Terpaksa ambil.

Vaksin itu bukan ubat 100% bole ...

Kalau ikut awak punya cadangan tu, kita serupa patah balik ke bulan 3 tahun lepas laa.Still, ramai yg berjangkit dan ada yg meninggal.


Kita amik perbandingan yg lebih kureng sama:
Florida dan Semenanjung Mesia, luas kawasan plus minus lebih kurang saja.
Bilangan penduduk Florida-21juta....Mesia Sabah Sarawak-32juta org.

Total cases Florida-1.34M....Mesia-117,373 org.
Total death Florida-22,210....Mesia-483 org.

As of 02 Jan 2021:
+ve cases Florida-31,518/day
+ve csses Mesia-2,295/day
(Britain pecah record-57,000 +ve cases within 24hours)

Death cases Florida-220/day
Death cases Mesia-9/day

Death still climbing.
Duduk rumah diam-diam jaga SOP, death still climbing.

Mungkin akak ada cadangan lain yang lebih baik ker, manatau. Kita share sama-sama.


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Post time 3-1-2021 06:11 PM | Show all posts
Aerhys replied at 3-1-2021 05:13 PM
Hello it's not just me I'm concerned about. What about my family, my parents, my friends? Ada yg f ...
Tak kan nak tunggu disuntik dulu untuk tahu ada alahan ubat atau tak dan kesan sampingan? Kalau ada alahan teruk selepas disuntik then what? Who are going to pay for the medical fees,
see? kesan sampingan ni dia banyak jenis, so it depends
usually kalau UK depa bagi penerangan dan ada siap leaflet lagi what to do when you see this etc
sebab tu i kata - ada benda yg  kita harap KKM akan buatlah bila tiba masanya dan kalau kita tahu kita boleh tanya doktor pun , depa dilatih untuk managed anaphylaxis.

sebab tu dalam article di atas

i tertanya bagaimana doktor pakar boleh ambil vaccine ni dan tak tahu sebabgai seorang pakar bab bab delayed hypersensitity or anaphylactic reactions?


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Post time 3-1-2021 06:34 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
Takut dan berisiko juga ya vaksin tesebut kepada individu yang allergy
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Post time 3-1-2021 07:29 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
airfilterkotor replied at 3-1-2021 05:54 PM
Kalau ikut awak punya cadangan tu, kita serupa patah balik ke bulan 3 tahun lepas laa.Still, ramai ...

Honestly not my place to suggest anything sebab saya hanya rakyat biasa dan bukan dari bidang perubatan. Kalau beri suggestions pun kamu orang brush off dan gelakkan saja. But that does not mean kerajaan boleh mendiamkan suara rakyat yg bimbang dan berhak tahu apa kandungan sebenar vaksin, kesan2 sampingan, dan apa tindakan yg mereka boleh ambil jika terkena kesan sampingan teruk. Bagi orang islam pula ramai sangsi dengan status halal vaksin ini. Molekul babi sudah dihalalkan dan mereka waswas. Ini termasuk kategori syubhah. Benarkah kita ini dalam situasi darurat? Ini saya serahkan pada mufti2 dan lobai2 buat keputusan. Apa2 pun mereka lebih tahu kan dan mereka yg akan disoal nanti di akhirat.

Dan ada sebilangan doktor2 dari malaysia yg dah suarakan kebimbangan dan pandangan mereka. Boleh cari di socmeds. Don't just assume I don't listen or read what KKM has been advertising about the vaccine at all. Seperti main russian roulette saja vaksin ini sebab everyones body and reaction to the vaccine is different. Yg tiada side effect bernasib baik tu untunglah tapi yg kurang bernasib baik dpt side effect teruk macam mana pula? Sama sahaja dengan bila dijangkiti virus covid different outcomes. Ada yg tiada simptom elok aman2 saja ada yg teruk sampai perlu diberi bantuan pernafasan. Yg dijangkiti covid pun boleh develop virus immunity dgn sendirinya so I don't see any difference ambil vaksin atau tidak. Data belum mencukupi utk claim dengan yakinnya boleh menurunkan kes covid, menghentikan penyebarannya dan tiada side effect. The pros and cons are not enough to convince me... Yet. That's why I said I rather give it some time before putting it inside my body. See how good or effective people claimed it to be first. Tapi golongan yg dah diwajibkan ambil itu they are not given a choice and that makes me sad if anything happens to them. Dari elok2 sihat boleh jatuh sakit sebab vaksin.
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Post time 3-1-2021 07:44 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
mbhcsf replied at 3-1-2021 06:11 PM
see? kesan sampingan ni dia banyak jenis, so it depends
usually kalau UK depa bagi penerangan dan ...

Di malaysia tak ada diterangkan sangat side effects dan apa tindakan yg perlu diambil. Sepatutnya kena balance beritahu dgn jujur apa kebaikan dan possible side effects bila suntik vaksin. Lagi satu I find it fishy yg doktor pakar pun tak aware about possible allergic reaction to vaccine dan dia sendiri pun ada sejarah alergi, katanyalah. Berita ini sendiri pun i can't fully trust either they're trying to cover something by making up she has history of allergy so that they can put the blame on the doctor atau memang doc tu sendiri tak aware which is questionable kalau dia tak tahu.
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Post time 3-1-2021 07:47 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
Bertabahlah
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Post time 3-1-2021 08:13 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
Memang still doubt. Lagi bila just boleh sembuh sendiri jadi vaksin dah bukan benda keperluan.
Bila apply vaksin dekat orang berisiko tinggi, tapi pada masa sama, vaksin tu sendiri membahayakan orang2 yanhlg fragile ni. Last2 patut boleh hidup lagi 10thun, kena vaksin, hidup dalam berapa bulan.

Cam doktor pakar tu, so called doctor kat sini pon pelik, ada alahan tapi tak claim. Itu yanh ditulis dekat berita. Tapi sejauh mana kebenarannya kita pon xtau. Boleh jadi, dia memang x claim pon(pelik sangat2, takkan doctor sendiri xleh fikir kan? Bodoh sangat ke tadah tengkuk sendiri)
Boleh jadi, sebenarnya asal takde alergi sebelumni, tapi kandungan tu trigger alergi. Kalau kes camni, company vaksin memang lepas tangan la kan. Ape tah lagi gov.
Last kali, company tu tak bagi penerangan betul. Mungkin certain alergi tak per katanya.

Btw, doctor bukan maksum dan doctor jugak perlukan duit untuk hidup. Tapi tak semua doctor berniat jahat. Saya sendiri pon vaksin penuh, anak pon vaksin penuh. So kerisauan ni xde kaitan berkenaan antivax atau tak.

Pendapat saya, kerajaan skang akan tunjukkan pro utk vaksin dan con banyak hide. Memang x paksa, tapi diorang bagi gambaran, oh kalau x vaksin mati dengan virus ni. Tapi setiap hari banyak update orang sembuh. Camne sembuh tu? Kenapa x highlightkan cara tingkatkan antibodi, sembuh semua.
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Post time 3-1-2021 09:44 PM | Show all posts
Aerhys replied at 3-1-2021 07:44 PM
Di malaysia tak ada diterangkan sangat side effects dan apa tindakan yg perlu diambil. Sepatutnya  ...

belum lagi tapi kat Tv1 dah ada bicara Tv1 , sila tengok FB tv1 RTM ade dah diterangkan basic info about vaccine

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Post time 4-1-2021 02:53 AM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
airfilterkotor: Dari Okt 2020 lagi derang dah maklumkan dlm website, sesapa ada alahan adalah dinasihatkan tidak mengambil suntikan. Masalahnya, bila dah terjadi baru ...


Betul cakap kau. Berita ni aku dah dengar lama dah tahun lepas. Yang ada alergi kat makanan dan ubat tak bolem ambik suntikan vaksin.
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Post time 4-1-2021 09:27 AM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
Aku mmg x boleh ambik sbb alahan.. Tak salah aku ada thread bulan 11 yg update tentang org yg ada alahan pada ubat dan makanan mmg x boleh ambik vaksin ni.

Jadi aku redha la hidup pakai mask sampai ada vaksin yg sesuai dgn org yg ada alahan.
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Post time 4-1-2021 01:45 PM | Show all posts
kalo kita tak mo amik vaksin ni, di cop antivax jugak tak? sbb rasa macam too rushing sangat dorg kuarkan vaksin.
ada pernah sekali aku baca di tulis gini. kalo kerap basuh tangan guna sabun, guna hand sanitizer boleh cegah covid, tp kenapa sampai skrg masih takde ubat tuk covid? hah gitu...
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Post time 4-1-2021 03:27 PM | Show all posts
Itzy replied at 4-1-2021 02:53 AM
Betul cakap kau. Berita ni aku dah dengar lama dah tahun lepas. Yang ada alergi kat makanan dan  ...

Tu pasei aku ada bagitau sebelum ni, banyakkanlah membaca..... dari kedua-dua sumber/info.

Banyak negara dah mula guna emergency use authorization utk vaksin ni.
Kenapa? Bacalah.
Once dah jelas, takde laa ribut-ribut tanya kenapa itu kenapa ini.


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