[MERGED]-Debmey: SHOW PROOF THAT PROPHET MOHAMMAD IS A PAEDOPHILE?

Baiduri Othman

Originally posted by Debmey at 2005-2-28 12:01 AM:
We just have to accept then that paedophilia is allowed in islam then, just like rape cos Islam is a religion with no morals.

peace

My response:-

Yeah, only when you got stuck & you got nothing to produce here. :nana::nana::nana:

Debmey

Since we proved that Mo was a paedophile that had sex with Aisha when she was only 9 and you claim that it is OK because they were married, we therefore come to the conclusion that paedophilia is OK in islam.

Baiduri Othman

Originally posted by Debmey at 2005-2-28 12:08 AM:
Since we proved that Mo was a paedophile that had sex with Aisha when she was only 9 and you claim that it is OK because they were married, we therefore come to the conclusion that paedophilia is O ...

My response:-

You're stuck again Debmey. Was there any age limit to get married or any such laws in the old days? Just answer that simple question.

Baiduri Othman

Debmey, why're you not responding? I'm waiting for your answer for that very simple question.

Baiduri Othman

I think Debmey has logged-out. Anyway, if there was no laws on age limit on marriage during Prophet Muhammad's period, I'm sure he can always get married to younger children like Aisya. He won't be wasting his time married to older women. He won't be sacrificing his abnormal desire on younger children. Unless such laws existed.

DivinePonytail

Originally posted by Baiduri Othman at 27-2-2005 11:52 PM:

If the prophet was a paedophile, he won't be married to older women. As a prophet, he can always get younger children for his bride at anytime, anywhere....... but he didn't!

http://www.umkc.edu/sites/hsw/issues/pedophil.html

Regressed (or nonexclusive type) pedophilia. On the other hand, the regressed pedophile is not ordinarily attracted to children. Those with regressed pedophilia are typically heterosexual married males and most likely to sexually molest 8 or 9 year old female children. Some pedophiles complain of anxiety or tension related to employment or marital relationship as precursors to pedophilic impulses, as well as alcohol or drug usage. They view the child as an adult substitute, and relate to the child in an adult to adult manner. The first sexual encounter is usually sudden and unplanned.

Fuzzman

FaithHealer wrote: Fuzzman knows that any old man of 53 having sex with a 9 year old girl is not nice picture. Thats why he is denying all those hadiths that specifically say that p.Muhammad had boinked Aisha when she was 9.

Unfortunately for you we are not here to paint "nice pictures". We are here for raw hard facts which by the way you do not have, no matter how hard you try. No Western sources other than Bukhari which merely narrates the pre and post marriage passage of Aishah Abu Bakar.

Recent non-Muslim writers who had the opportunity to study the life of the prophet first-hand reach a similar conclusion about his plural marriages, but there were no mention of paedophilia on the part of the prophet. Their studies show the behavorial pattern of the prophets with regards to relationships and marriage. Fuzzman reckons the their conclusions pose a much more professional and truthful opinion over the likes of you who have nothing and aren't professional at all.

John L. Esposito
John L. Esposito, Professor of Religion and Director of the Centre for International Studies at the College of the Holy Cross, says that most of these marriages had "political and social motives" (Islam: The Straight Path, Oxford University Press, 1988, p. 19). This he explained as follows: "As was customary for Arab chiefs, many were political marriages to cement alliances. Others were marriages to the widows of his companions who had fallen in combat and were in need of protection" (John L. Esposito, Islam: The Straight Path, pp. 19-20). Esposito reminds us of the following historical fact: "Though less common, polygamy was also permitted in biblical and even in postbiblical Judaism. From Abraham, David, and Solomon down to the reformation period, polygamy was practiced" (p. 19).

Caesar E. Farah
Caesar E. Farah writes as follows: "In the prime of his youth and adult years Muhammad remained thoroughly devoted to Khadijah and would have none other for consort. This was an age that looked upon plural marriages with favor and in a society that in pre-Biblical and post-Biblical days considered polygamy an essential feature of social existence. David had six wives and numerous concubines (2 Samuel 5:13; 1 Chronicles 3:1-9, 14:3) and Solomon was said to have had as many as 700 wives and 300 concubines (1 Kings 11:3). Solomon's son Rehoboam had 18 wives and 60 concubines (2 Chronicles 11:21). The New Testament contains no specific injunction against plural marriages. It was commonplace for the nobility among the Christians and Jews to contract plural marriages. Luther spoke of it with toleration"(Caesar E. Farah, Islam: Beliefs and Observances, 4th edition, Barron's, U.S. 1987, p. 69). Caesar Farah then concluded that Muhammad's plural marriages were due "partly to political reasons and partly to his concern for the wives of his companions who had fallen in battle defending the nascent Islamic community" (p. 69).

ARI FUZZMAN

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Debmey

Its paedophilia alright, no matter what you people say.
Sorry to disapoint you Muslims debaters. r

Fuzzman

Originally posted by Debmey at 2005-2-28 01:35 AM:
Its paedophilia alright, no matter what you people say.
Sorry to disapoint you Muslims debaters. r

Actually we are sorry to disappoint you because you can't do much without solid hard proofs of the paedophilia charge against Prophet Mohammad.  No matter how much you try to sound confident, you have nothing. That's right! nothing at all as long as you refuse you provide real proof. SO WHERE IS THE PROOF OF PAEDOPHILIA?

ARI FUZZMAN

Debmey

We already provided solid proof from the hadiths, and you have no reply to them. Not unless you can prove to us that those hadiths are fake.

peace

FaithHealer3

Originally posted by Baiduri Othman at 2005-2-27 11:52 PM:
The prophet is not a paedophile just b'coz he was married to a 9 yr old girl for once & all. Afterall the marriage was arranged by Aisya's father, Abu Bakar. The marriage i ...

Whats your defination of a pedophile?

And how can the marriage was arranged by Abu bakar when Imam Bukhari clearly recorded(Bukhari:V7B62N18) that p.Muhammad was the one asking Abu Bakar for Aisha's hand in marriage. The hadith also show that Abu Bakar refusing at first, giving reason that they are brothers. Abu bakar considered p.Muhammad as his brother and brothers don't marry their brother daughter.
p.Muhammad yet convinced Abu Bakar to hand over his daughter.

FaithHealer3

Originally posted by Fuzzman at 2005-2-28 01:28 AM:

Unfortunately for you we are not here to paint "nice pictures". We are here for raw hard facts which by the way you do not have, no matter how h ...

Yes! you are trying hard to paint a nice picture with some lousy paint. Those "non-muslims" you quote are  just repeating what the muhammadans tells them.

What "political/social motives/cement" could p.Muhammad with Abu Bakar by boinking his friend young daugther? Abu Bakar had already considered p.Muhammad as his own brother. Whats better than that.

Bukhari:V7B62N18:Narrated 'Ursa: The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I am your brother." The Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry."

Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 2005-2-28 02:58 AM:

Yes! you are trying hard to paint a nice picture with some lousy paint. Those "non-muslims" you quote are  just repeating what the muhammadans tells them.

What "p ...

You are nothing but a dirty minded cynic with a chip on the shoulder negativism that thinks of nothing but 'boinking' your own best friend's daughter. The prophet of Allah  or also known as 'Al Amin', the trusted one, was not your category of people, neither was Abu Bakr AlSidiq. So, don't even hope.

http://anwary-islam.com/companion/abu_bakr_siddiq.htm

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Debmey

So why are you muslims asahmed that Mo was a paedophile when allah endorse his paedophilia?

FaithHealer3

Originally posted by KENNKID at 2005-2-28 03:35 PM:


You are nothing but a dirty minded cynic with a chip on the shoulder negativism that thinks of nothing but 'boinking' your own best friend's daughter... blah blah blah

Now its me? Ha ha ha

My mind have not gone to bonkers yet to boink my best friends baby.. that is a job for the fake prophets.

:bgrin:



[ Last edited by FaithHealer3 on 1-3-2005 at 03:07 AM ]

Originally posted by Debmey at 2005-2-28 10:30 PM:
So why are you muslims asahmed that Mo was a paedophile when allah endorse his paedophilia?

Allah endorsed the prophet's marriage to young Lady Ayesha. Sexual relations between them only took place when he was the lawful husband and she the lawful wife. Nobody during that time and within that culture regarded negatively the marriage. It received the blessings of the bride's parents and society at large. There were also other similar marriages during that time and within many cultures in Asia.

There were paedophiles during that age and any age. Paedophiles were most rampant, are still rampant and will still be rampant within the christian clergy. Paedophiles had, have and will continue to have  perverted & lustful  intentions. There is no intention of marriage - only intentions of 'boinking' & abandoning  their victims.  They pretend to be holy people but they are not. They belong to a faith where people only pretend to be holy but are actually godless. They belong to satan.

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Debmey

Allah allows Mo's paedophilia, ie. in Mo's case, his paedophilia was somehow sanctified by Allah.
so why do you need to be ashamed of it?
BTW, according to your definition, paedophilia is allowed as long there is marriage right.

Originally posted by Debmey at 2005-2-28 10:52 PM:
Allah allows Mo's paedophilia, ie. in Mo's case, his paedophilia was somehow sanctified by Allah.
so why do you need to be ashamed of it?
BTW, according to your definition, paedophilia is allowed ...

Because paedophila is not the right term.  Paedophilia is a sickness. It carries a stigma. A marriage to a young person, and recognized by society as a legal marriage and endorsed and blessed by the parents during an age when such marriages were accepted was not paedophila the sickness. It was a legal, healthy  marriage.  

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Debmey

According to the general understanding of the word paedophilia by the dictionary, Mo was a paedophile. Its does not matter whether allah alledgely endorses Mo's actions or not. You may see it as OK, but teh world at large don't think so.

We accept then that in islam, there is a place for paedophilia as long as there is marriage  We accept that Islam has different values from the rest of the world.  You  on teh other hand shld not force the rest of us non Muslims to accept that paedophilia is justified.

peace

Originally posted by Debmey at 2005-2-28 11:27 PM:
According to the general understanding of the word paedophilia by the dictionary, Mo was a paedophile. Its does not matter whether allah alledgely endorses Mo's actions or not. You may see  ...

You already lost.

The holy prophet was not a paedophile because paedophilia is a sickness and carries a negative stigma to it. My beloved prophet married a young girl, in accordance with the tradition and customs of his time. There was no stigma attached to the marriage.

Your paedophilaic  clergies are paedophiles - no doubt about it.

[ Last edited by KENNKID on 28-2-2005 at 11:39 PM ]