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Religion peoples are inocent souls but.....
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by bodoh.8
...and any fool think all youtube are not be trusted???
Not all but MANY cannot be trusted. Youtube clips are created for many reasons. Some they want to share knowledge (usually large clips like tutorials etc), some for fun (music and movies), some clips to show tips, trick and just show off and some for propaganda. The one you show (on the Bible) was propaganda movie to get others to follow Christianity (by Ron Wyatt).
Take the one below :
Source : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzpl_LhPmtE
Do you think this is genuine or fake? In my opinion, it is FAKE. Do you know why I said Fake? Because they spoke like like they were actors in a play - most likely they are actors who brought in for an audition and therefore, they knew there was a script to follow and did that as much they could. They may not know what they were reading but they know better than to open their mouth in front of a camera (even if it is OFF). Also the malay botak fellow who said he was about to beat someone for being rascist, he was over-reacting.
Did you notice something? Not ONE person asked back the person WHY he want them to say as they were instructed (that Malays are pemalas, Indians are unclean and Chinese are pigs ... Sorry, foreign pigs).
that because peoples llike u do not have faith...thats why you barking here all the times
WHAHAHAHA ... Look who is talking. Oi, your total online time here is 4,192 hours while mine is 3500 plus. You have 500 hours plus here and you are talking about me being here all the time???  |
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Sephiroth posted on 18-9-2014 12:50 PM 
by bodoh.8
Not all but MANY cannot be trusted. Youtube clips are created for many reasons. Some they want to share knowledge (usually large clips like tutorials etc), some for fun (music and movies), some clips to show tips, trick and just show off and some for propaganda. The one you show (on the Bible) was propaganda movie to get others to follow Christianity (by Ron Wyatt).
Take the one below :
Source : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzpl_LhPmtE
Do you think this is genuine or fake? In my opinion, it is FAKE. Do you know why I said Fake? Because they spoke like like they were actors in a play - most likely they are actors who brought in for an audition and therefore, they knew there was a script to follow and did that as much they could. They may not know what they were reading but they know better than to open their mouth in front of a camera (even if it is OFF). Also the malay botak fellow who said he was about to beat someone for being rascist, he was over-reacting.
Did you notice something? Not ONE person asked back the person WHY he want them to say as they were instructed (that Malays are pemalas, Indians are unclean and Chinese are pigs ... Sorry, foreign pigs).
whether is fake or genuine, i followed my six sense....the recent movie on saloma...it has little racist on chinese and indian...in one scene it show how indian are kaki botol....in old malay movie "masam2 manis...it utter keling botol ...the producer malay..so, which ethnic try create hostile situation ? u judge urself..
WHAHAHAHA ... Look who is talking. Oi, your total online time here is 4,192 hours while mine is 3500 plus. You have 500 hours plus here and you are talking about me being here all the time??? 
i come here when i m free
Last edited by Truth.8 on 18-9-2014 01:16 PM
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by truth.8
whether is fake or genuine, i followed my six sense....
Your "sex-sense" is useless for you are as blind as bat.
i come here when i m free
Then who is the one always barking here in this forum? Me or you? 
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Sephiroth posted on 18-9-2014 01:59 PM
by truth.8
Then who is the one always barking here in this forum? Me or you? 
u can image in big mirror...
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Truth.8 posted on 18-9-2014 02:33 PM
u can image in big mirror...
Go for another 500 hours here. Because you have no life outside this forum. Me? I have plenty to do, so I will not entertain you in this matter. 
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Sephiroth posted on 18-9-2014 03:36 PM
Go for another 500 hours here. Because you have no life outside this forum. Me? I have plenty to d ...
Last edited by Truth.8 on 18-9-2014 05:22 PM
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please don't be so naive and blame it on religion, even without religion people still fighting in the name of secularism. |
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i thought Truth.8 mentioned in another post that "Hindus living with Christians = No Problem"??? |
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cmf_Presa1200 posted on 19-10-2014 06:51 PM
please don't be so naive and blame it on religion, even without religion people still fighting in th ...
And yet, religion should make people better than securalism. Does it? No, more religious nutcases ready to kill themselves and others in name of religion. Who should we blame for this? The followers or religion which unable to teach its followers the right things?
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Sephiroth posted on 20-10-2014 11:50 AM
And yet, religion should make people better than securalism. Does it? No, more religious nutcases ...
Many drivers still running a red light despite they know that it is dangerous and against the law. Should we blame the careless drivers or the traffic rules which is unable to teach its drivers how to drive correctly?
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cmf_Presa1200 posted on 20-10-2014 05:27 PM
Many drivers still running a red light despite they know that it is dangerous and against the law. ...
We blame careless drivers for the danger they are causing to themselves and other road users. And then we will blame police and the law for not catching such person and for not having strict punishment for such behavior - including prison sentence and black-listing the driver from ever driving a vehicle for life.
Road laws and rules exists as a guideline but it must be implemented and supervised regularly by laws enforcers. Problem here is - when you use such analog on religion, then some people could jump up and claim to be religious enforcers (like JAIS, Talibans, ISMA etc). Do you like that? Do you want this pigs to be knocking on your door at 3 AM in the morning in attempt to enforce some 7th century nonsense called Islam?
You can get killed if you do not follow road laws and rules. Will you get killed for not following Islam? No, if you could be killed for not following Islam, then it is safe to say that over 60% of the World's populations (who are not Muslims) are already dead. So why do you need to enforce something as useless as Islam?
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Sephiroth posted on 21-10-2014 09:30 AM
We blame careless drivers for the danger they are causing to themselves and other road users. And ...
True, religion also exists as a guideline but has it been fully and correctly implemented? Those religious enforcers like JAIS, Talibans, ISMA etc do not fully understand Islam and in many cases their actions are not supported by Islam itself. The concept of "tangkap khalwat" has been misunderstood. A true law enforcer will not knock on other people's door just to check if the unmarried couple is having sex because that is considered spying on other people purposely. It will not only embarrass the couple but also being sinful by looking for other people's fault, except there is clear evidence and witness. But nowadays enforcers carry out duties the other way around which cause people's disappointment in Islam.
You said Islam is useless and people don't have to follow it, yes I must admit muslims nowadays aren't the best representation of Islam but it used to be successful in the past. That was the time where true Islamic laws were properly implemented. Speaking of monetary system alone, Islam encourages the use of currency that is backed by real assets or other commodities. The money itself has value. Unlike the fiat money introduced by secularists, the money itself has no intrinsic value and only made legal tender through government decree, the system itself opens to exploitation and manipulation of resources. And yet you said secularism is better.
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by cmf_Presa1200
True, religion also exists as a guideline but has it been fully and correctly implemented?
What do you think Religion is? Common Laws that it must be implemented. ONLY human laws must be implemented for sake of human society. By stating that Religious laws must be implemented, it shows that you are equalizing religion to a man-made "object" such as Common laws.
Religion is not something you should implement. It is a guideline which gives individuals their own ways to approach God. There should not be any forced implementation, enforcement or threats/special deals. Everyone should learn religion and by their own merits and understanding, approach God in their own ways - whether as an artisan, warrior, monks, businessmen etc.
You said Islam is useless and people don't have to follow it, yes I must admit muslims nowadays aren't the best representation of Islam but it used to be successful in the past.
And how do you figure Islam was successful in the past? What is the yardstick you used to measure if Islam succesful or not?
And yet you said secularism is better.
I never said secularism is better.
I'm a strong believer in traditions, culture and heritage. I feel that each person must know, understand and practice the practices of their forefathers so they will have an identity (which Malays today have forgotten). I also believe that at the same time, those people should also know and understand modern technology and science so they could move forward with discipline, identity and self-respect.
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Sephiroth posted on 21-10-2014 08:30 PM
by cmf_Presa1200 What do you think Religion is? Common Laws that it must be implemented. ONLY human laws must be implemented for sake of human society. By stating that Religious laws must be implemented, it shows that you are equalizing religion to a man-made "object" such as Common laws.
Human laws as in snatch-and-go robbers caused serious injuries to pedestrians or bank robbers pointing a gun at innocent people but end up getting a jail sentence and free to roam again? Human laws as in encouraging to have sex before marriage and end up dead babies in the dustbin, drain, toilet bowl and roadside? You called this human laws?
Islam covers every aspect of life and nothing can be separated. The faith trains our soul to become a better person and the laws ensure safety. If you're asking me to choose a religion that is not complete, no thanks.
And how do you figure Islam was successful in the past? What is the yardstick you used to measure if Islam succesful or not?
To me, Islam is successful when followers truly embrace the religion and show good values that are proud to be spoken of. Followers make contributions in every aspect without having to abandon their faith.
I also believe that at the same time, those people should also know and understand modern technology and science so they could move forward with discipline, identity and self-respect.
True, that is what happened during the Islamic golden age. It is the era where we muslims must seek right now.
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by cmf_Presa1200
You called this human laws?
Laws doesn't make these things happen. Humans make this things happen. Are you saying such things happens because there is no Islamic laws? BULLSHIT. FYI - Most cases involving such things happens in Muslim society. It shows that muslims have forgotten how to live as humans and behave more like animals. They have forgotten about ethics and proper humane behavior. Even with Islam, you cannot change such behavior, so don't bother. Educated Muslims knows this and they fight hard to prevent some 7th century nonsense called Islam from infecting the society and turn it backward.
Islam covers every aspect of life and nothing can be separated.
islam covers NOTHING. Do you know WHY? Because Islam is a political System created by Muhammad and endorsed by his four "brothers". Nothing more, nothing less. You will not find God in there because there is no God in Islam.
To me, Islam is successful ...
I didn't ask your opinion. I asked what is conditions which you consider Islam to be successful. How is it successful? What contribution did your Islam make to human society? Show me example of the goodness which Islam have brought to the World and humanity.
True, that is what happened during the Islamic golden age. It is the era where we muslims must seek right now.
And when was this Golden Age of Islam? |
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Sephiroth posted on 21-10-2014 10:19 PM
by cmf_Presa1200 Laws doesn't make these things happen. Humans make this things happen. Are you saying such things happens because there is no Islamic laws? BULLSHIT. FYI - Most cases involving such things happens in Muslim society.
Of course laws won't make crimes happen, it is to prevent. Islamic law is to prevent. It happens in muslim society because no proper Islamic laws is implemented. Look at malaysia, is it a Islamic country? No, it is a muslim majority country governed by secular laws.
You will not find God in there because there is no God in Islam.
Maybe your parents picked you up from a dumpster since we've never seen your great ancestors.
I didn't ask your opinion. I asked what is conditions which you consider Islam to be successful.
You asked what are the conditions which I consider Islam to be successful, that is asking my opinion. Even you don't ask my opinion, the answer will be the same. Muslims truly embrace the religion and exhibit good values. Contributions alone is not enough if without proper faith.
What contribution did your Islam make to human society? Show me example of the goodness which Islam have brought to the World and humanity. And when was this Golden Age of Islam?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age
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by cmf_Presa1200
Islamic law is to prevent. It happens in muslim society because no proper Islamic laws is implemented. Look at malaysia, is it a Islamic country? No, it is a muslim majority country governed by secular laws.
Prevent what? Majority of Islamic countries have a large quantity of criminal activities, even in places like Saudi Arabia which has the largest amount of human right abuse filed against them. Pakistan and Afghanistan still have honor killing, where parents will murder their children for insignificant crime like talking to another person. How about piracy which involved most of Muslims in Africa and South Asia? Do you want me to go on listing? Islam doesn't prevent anything, it just give them (Muslims) legal excuses to commit more crimes.
Maybe your parents picked you up from a dumpster since we've never seen your great ancestors.
Stupid comment. Irrelevant to the comment that there is no god in Islam.
Muslims truly embrace the religion and exhibit good values. Contributions alone is not enough if without proper faith.
Again, nonsense statement. There is no explaination to the statement "islam is successful" because Islam is NOT successful in anything except producing addicts who daydreams of heaven and 72 virgins.
From : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age
Please understand this statement :
They assimilated, synthesized, and advanced the knowledge gained from the ancient Greek, Roman, Persian, Indian, Chinese, Egyptian, and Phoenician civilizations.[3]
Your so-called "golden age" didn't come because of Islam. It came because Muslims have expanded military to all side of Asia and "stole" knowledge from above mentioned civilizations, especially from India. In that context, it shouldn't be labelled as "Golden Age" but "Stolen Age".  |
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Post time 18-9-2014 12:50 PM
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