Post time 13-5-2016 05:36 PMFrom the mobile phone|Show all posts
(Ingatlah) ketika Allah berfirman: "Wahai Isa ibni Maryam! Kenanglah nikmatKu kepadamu dan kepada ibumu, ketika Aku menguatkanmu dengan Ruhul-Qudus (Jibril), iaitu engkau dapat berkata-kata dengan manusia (semasa engkau masih kecil) dalam buaian dan sesudah dewasa; dan (ingatlah) ketika Aku mengajarmu menulis membaca, dan hikmat pengetahuan, khasnya Kitab Taurat dan Kitab Injil; dan (ingatlah) ketika engkau jadikan dari tanah seperti bentuk burung dengan izinKu, kemudian engkau tiupkan padanya, lalu menjadilah ia seekor burung dengan izinku; dan (ingatlah ketika) engkau menyembuhkan orang buta dan orang sopak dengan izinku; dan (ingatlah) ketika engkau menghidupkan orang-orang yang mati dengan izinKu; dan (ingatlah) ketika Aku menghalangi Bani Israil daripada membunuhmu, ketika engkau datang kepada mereka dengan membawa keterangan-keterangan (mukjizat), lalu orang-orang yang kafir di antara mereka berkata: "Bahawa ini hanyalah sihir yang terang nyata"
(Al-Maaidah 5:110)
Truth.8 replied at 13-5-2016 03:46 PM Islam orChristianity?
Jesus or Muhammad?Christian Gospel or Muslim Qur’an?The religion ofIslam claims that Muhammad (Mohammed) was as great a prophet as JesusChrist, that the Qur’an (Koran or Quran) succeeded the New Testament, and that Muslim (Moslem) teachings should be followed instead ofChristianity. In this study we compare the evidence for Islam tothe evidence for Jesus as revealed in the Bible: fulfilledprophecy, miracles, and the resurrection. Was Jesus the DivineSon of God crucified to save us from our sins, or is there justone individual Being in God (Allah)?
Introduction:
The purpose of this study is to examine the beliefs of Islamand the teaching of Muhammad in the Qur’an, comparing these to theBible and the gospel of Jesus Christ. A Brief Summary of Islam"Islam" is the proper term for the religion revealedby Muhammad (sometimes spelled Mohammed) in Arabia in the early 600's. "Islam" means"submission" (to the will of God). Adherents are called Muslims ("one who submits")(often one sees the word as "Moslem"). Arabians aredescendants of Ishmael, so Islam claims to be a renewal of theancient religion of Abraham traced through Ishmael.
Muhammad was born in Mecca, Arabia, about 570 AD. Orphaned atan early age, he was raised by his grandfather and then his uncle.His family was aristocratic and influential. He grew up in timesof religious and political confusion and uncertainty. At age 25he married a wealthy 40-year-old widow named Khadijah.
At age 40 he began claiming to receive dreams and revelations,but was unsure of their source. He quoted these revelations toothers who wrote them down. His wife convinced him these weremessages from God, as Muslims today believe. But non-Muslimsbelieve he developed such a deep religious fervor, out of concernfor the needs of the people, that he began having dreams aboutreligion and attributed them to God.
Rejected at first by the people of Mecca, he fled to Medinawhere he became a religious and political leader. By a series ofviolent battles he obtained income and converted people to Islam.Eventually he returned to Mecca and captured it by force.
When he died at age 63-65, a power struggle developedregarding who should succeed him. Several sects resulted, themajor two being Sunni Muslims and Shiite Muslims. We will mainlyconsider Sunni Muslims (by far the larger group), though many ofthe same points would apply to other forms of Islam.Nevertheless, we should remember that there are wide variationsamong Muslims, just as there are among those claiming to beChristians. Relationship of Islam to Judaism and TheGospel of ChristIslam claims to believe in the same God as Jews and Christians,the God of Abraham, revealed in the Old Testament. Muslimsgenerally claim that “Allah” is just their name for theGod of the Bible. Significant differences exist, however, regarding how thereligions view Jesus Christ. All three religions began from the work of major individual prophets.Jews' beliefs were revealed by Moses, Christians' by Jesus, and Muslims' by Muhammad. Islam recognizes both Moses and Jesus asprophets (along with other Bible prophets), but it claims that Muhammad is the last of the prophets and his revelationsupersedes those ofMoses and Jesus. All are based on written revelations claimed to beinfallibly inspired by God. The Jews accept only the OldTestament, Christians also accept the New Testament, and Muslimsaccept the Qur’an (they also have great respect for Muslim traditions). Just as Christians believe the Old Testament wasinspired but was replaced by the New Testament, so Muslimsbelieve the Old and New Testaments were inspired but were bothreplaced by the Qur’an. (Note that Qur’an has also commonly been spelledKoran or Quran.)
For these reasons many similarities exist among Judaism, thegospel, and Islam. Yet we will see that essential differencesalso exist. Note - In this study we have mainly relied on the followingsources about Islam:The Qur’an (references are cited according to the printing I own). Encyclopedia Britannica (abbreviated EB), articles on"Islam," "Muhammad," and "Qur’an." World's Religions (abbr. WR), edited by Norman Anderson. Christian's Response to Islam, (abbr. CRI), by William Miller.
Also other miscellaneous sources as noted.
(Note: This study refers several times to a lesson about"Evidences," which summarizes the evidence for God,Jesus, and the Bible. It can be accessed from our website at www.gospelway.com/instruct/.) Part I: Basic DoctrinesSince Islam claims to accept the Old and New Testaments, ifits doctrines are true then they ought to harmonize with theBible. So let us examine some basic doctrines of Islam andcompare them to the Bible. I. The Doctrine of GodIslam correctly opposes idolatry and teaches that there isonly one God. But more is needed (James 2:19). So considerfurther: A. Islam Says Jesus Is Not Divine.Muhammad taught there is only one Divine Being in God. Hedenied the Deity of Jesus, saying He was just a man - a greatprophet, but not the Divine Son of God. (Qur’an 4:162-171; 6:100,101;19:88-92) The Bible says Jesus is Divine.John 1:1,14 - Jesus (the Word) was God, was withGod in the beginning, and became flesh to dwell among men as a man.
Colossians 2:9 - In Jesus dwells all the fullness of theGodhead bodily.
John 20:28,29 - Thomas called Jesus "my Lord and my God."Jesus pronounced a blessing on all others who believe the same (cf.vv 30,31).
How can Muslims deny these teachings and yet claim to believethe Bible is true and Jesus was a prophet?
[Phil. 2:6-8; Heb. 1:8,9; Tit. 2:13; Isa. 9:6; John 8:58; 5:23]
LOL , now the issue of comforter is pocek already lah. However you still need to answer the question :
if the Holy Spirit were already present on Earth, even during Jesus time, then how could the Comforter be the Holy Spirit? Remember, Jesus said that He needed to depart before the Comforter could come
Why are you running off to the the Quran and Bible? We muslims have always regard the Bible having been corrupted. The NT is even worse. It is written by unamed and unknown persons (Luke , Matthew , Mark & John , book of revelation , book of Hebrews) , person who never met , walked & talked with Jesus (Paul). Probably they heard the stories of Jesus somewhere and wrote about it. It is worse than the Hadiths as there is no system to verify its authenticity. The very least the Hadith has the method of Isnad & Mantn.
Can you now explain why you appeal to the prologue of John to claim that Jesus is God? Word of God is God's attribute. An attribute of God is not God. You just assume that 'word' in Joh1:1-3 means it is Jesus. There is no justification to that as Jesus is never mentioned here till verse 14. In fact , the verse does not put 'God the Son' (ie Jesus) face to face to 'God the Father' (ie. Father). It just states of God. Therefore what is God per that verse?
Therefore
- 'the word of God' is not a person
- 'the'word' is the subject , not Jesus
- 'the word of God' is with God himself not 'God the Father'
Lets compare joh1:1-3 with 1joh1:1-3 (NIV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was with God in the beginning.
3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life.
2 The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us.
3 We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ.
Its about the same but having different language. The context is about eternal life which is with the Father. This meaning eternal life is an attribute of God but it is not a person (ie. Jesus). Therefore when 'eternal life' was manifested , the 'word' become life in the form of Jesus. However Jesus was not there in the beginning.
You keep on avoiding and running away from the points I raised.
- Sam Shamoun is not a scholar , as far as I know he is a school dropout. However you claim he is a scholar. Can you back up your claim?
- Why is that when muslims criticse the Bible and Christianity you keep on insisting references to scholars (BTW pastors are not scholars). However you are ok with your polemics against Islam and Quran with references to 'answering islam' and 'faith freedom'. Since when are these entities scholars?
- Why do you brush aside works by real scholars like Prof Bart Ehrman , Prof Geza Vermes , Prof Dale Tuggy (to name a few) that points out the errancy of the bible and the nature of Jesus (works which I reference to)?
Lets see how many posts do you need to answer the questions. Can you stop running and stand your ground to answer. Issit asking too much?
Post time 13-5-2016 10:47 PMFrom the mobile phone|Show all posts
5. Mereka sekali-kali tidak mempunyai pengetahuan tentang hal itu, begitu pula nenek moyang mereka. Alangkah buruknya kata-kata yang keluar dari mulut mereka; mereka tidak mengatakan (sesuatu) kecuali dusta. : Surah Al-Kahfi
Post time 13-5-2016 10:49 PMFrom the mobile phone|Show all posts
7. Sesungguhnya Kami telah menjadikan apa yang di bumi sebagai perhiasan baginya, agar Kami menguji mereka siapakah di antara mereka yang terbaik perbuatannya. Surah Al-Kahfi
Post time 13-5-2016 10:53 PMFrom the mobile phone|Show all posts
8. Dan sesungguhnya Kami benar-benar akan menjadikan (pula) apa yang di atasnya menjadi tanah rata lagi tandus. Surah Al-Kahfi
Surah ini menjelaskan, jika ada yg berkata "Allah mengambil anak" dengan "sebesar pendustaan", maka sesiapa yg terlibat dgnnya akan diujiNya "kemarau".
Post time 13-5-2016 10:58 PMFrom the mobile phone|Show all posts
10. (Ingatlah) tatkala para pemuda itu mencari tempat berlindung ke dalam gua, lalu mereka berdoa: "Wahai Tuhan kami, berikanlah rahmat kepada kami dari sisi-Mu dan sempurnakanlah bagi kami petunjuk yang lurus dalam urusan kami (ini)". Surah Al-Kahfi.
Kisah ini ditujukan kpd "pemerintah kerajaan Byzantine" sebagai peringatan. Sesungguhnya "janji Allah itu PASTI berlaku" jika berkeras menegakkan "apa yg Dia sudah tetapkan".
Post time 13-5-2016 11:07 PMFrom the mobile phone|Show all posts
So, bila anda menegakkan kisah tentang "Nabi Isa" sebagai anak tuhan, hasilnya "kemarau" plus kpd sesiapa yg bersekutu. So, lebih baik jika semua sekali cari tajuk lain yg lebih sesuai yg mana tidak mendatangkan "mudarat" kpd "ramai org".
When islam must produce EVIDENCE to support Muhammad claim of Sura 7-157-7-158, Soalan maut aka killer question :Why does Muslim try to use the Gospel of John?????
jawab jgn x jawab....
here is another video that going make muslims pening kepala....sediakan panado utk muslims sebelum melihat video ini:
panado percuma : extra strength
before watching this video, take 1 or 2 panado...EXPOSED :
Truth.8 replied at 17-5-2016 12:42 AM When islam must produce EVIDENCE to support Muhammad claim of Sura 7-157-7-158, Soalan maut aka killer question :Why does Muslim try to use the Gospel of John?????
jawab jgn x jawab....
here is another video that going make muslims pening kepala....sediakan panado utk muslims sebelum melihat video ini:
panado percuma : extra strength
before watching this video, take 1 or 2 panado...EXPOSED :
Gee whizz , I thought the evidence has been produced at the beginning of the thread. Go back , read it again.
Soalan maut? Such a simple question that requires a simple answer :
You believe that the Gospel of John is the word of your God whereas we muslims believe that it has been written by an unknown going by the pen name of John. We use in our (muslim) argument because you believe in it but somehow or rather you turn a blind eye when contradictions have been raised.
LOL , TQ for the video which again points out to the desperate attempts to address the issue. The standing question :
if the Holy Spirit were already present on Earth, even during Jesus time, then how could the Comforter be the Holy Spirit? Remember, Jesus said that He needed to depart before the Comforter could come
The answer from the video ~ 2.10 -3.30
- another comforter
- people know him
- live in people
LOL , are you now telling me that the holy spirit has been upgraded to a another version ..... Holy Spirit (version 2). Issit something like windows XP , upgrade to windows 7 then windows 8 etc. Therefore your God in the Holy Spirit has been upgraded to 'an improved' version.
This answer reeks of desperation that people like you are willing to forgo any form of intelligence
You keep on avoiding and running away from the points I raised.
- Sam Shamoun is not a scholar , as far as I know he is a school dropout. However you claim he is a scholar. Can you back up your claim?
- Why is that when muslims criticse the Bible and Christianity you keep on insisting references to scholars (BTW pastors are not scholars). However you are ok with your polemics against Islam and Quran with references to 'answering islam' and 'faith freedom'. Since when are these entities scholars?
- Why do you brush aside works by real scholars like Prof Bart Ehrman , Prof Geza Vermes , Prof Dale Tuggy (to name a few) that points out the errancy of the bible and the nature of Jesus (works which I reference to)?
Lets see how many posts do you need to answer the questions. Can you stop running and stand your ground to answer. Issit asking too much?
Truth.8 replied at 17-5-2016 01:17 PM
Are you stupid moron? have you watch the Video fully? what does it says about the comforter being holy spirit?
or do I need past the video clips???
LOL , it appears that you did not even understand your copy paste video.
Time stamp ~ 2.10 -3.30 in the video argues of another comforter
If you argue its the Holy Spirit then its 'another' Holy Spirit. Issit an 'upgraded version' of the Holy Spirit that was already present? Wah ... God also can upgrade wan ahh?
You still have not answered the question
if the Holy Spirit were already present on Earth, even during Jesus time, then how could the Comforter be the Holy Spirit? Remember, Jesus said that He needed to depart before the Comforter could come
You keep on avoiding and running away from the points I raised.
- Sam Shamoun is not a scholar , as far as I know he is a school dropout. However you claim he is a scholar. Can you back up your claim?
- Why is that when muslims criticse the Bible and Christianity you keep on insisting references to scholars (BTW pastors are not scholars). However you are ok with your polemics against Islam and Quran with references to 'answering islam' and 'faith freedom'. Since when are these entities scholars?
- Why do you brush aside works by real scholars like Prof Bart Ehrman , Prof Geza Vermes , Prof Dale Tuggy (to name a few) that points out the errancy of the bible and the nature of Jesus (works which I reference to)?
Lets see how many posts do you need to answer the questions. Can you stop running and stand your ground to answer. Issit asking too much?
Now you showing your stupidity....I going paste the video clip and see how it goes from your cowdung head or maybe you understood but using your tactic taqiya
Truth.8 replied at 17-5-2016 02:41 PM
Now you showing your stupidity....I going paste the video clip and see how it goes from your cowdung head or maybe you understood but using your tactic taqiya
Go ahead , paste the videos again. It is not going to change the fact that in your last video , timestamp ~ 2.10 -3.30 , it argues of another conforter as per joh14:16 (NIV)
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever--
You still insist its the Holy Spirit. However there is a problem as
if the Holy Spirit were already present on Earth, even during Jesus time, then how could the Comforter be the Holy Spirit? Remember, Jesus said that He needed to depart before the Comforter could come
Therefore the only way is that the Holy Spirit is an upgraded version. Yeah loh , from Holy Spirit (mark1) upgraded to Holy Spirit (mark2). Ha ha , God also can upgrade wan ahhh? What modification or upgrade is the mark2 version?
You keep on avoiding and running away from the points I raised.
- Sam Shamoun is not a scholar , as far as I know he is a school dropout. However you claim he is a scholar. Can you back up your claim?
- Why is that when muslims criticse the Bible and Christianity you keep on insisting references to scholars (BTW pastors are not scholars). However you are ok with your polemics against Islam and Quran with references to 'answering islam' and 'faith freedom'. Since when are these entities scholars?
- Why do you brush aside works by real scholars like Prof Bart Ehrman , Prof Geza Vermes , Prof Dale Tuggy (to name a few) that points out the errancy of the bible and the nature of Jesus (works which I reference to)?
Lets see how many posts do you need to answer the questions. Can you stop running and stand your ground to answer. Issit asking too much?
Goodness gracia...are you stupid to understand the contents of the video or are you denial??? or afraid? thats why i wrote "muslims get ready extra strenght panando" i beings sensse you feeel already
muhammah is comforter?hahahahhaha go and sell this story to this peoples:
Truth.8 replied at 20-5-2016 11:44 AM
Goodness gracia...are you stupid to understand the contents of the video or are you denial??? or afraid? thats why i wrote "muslims get ready extra strenght panando" i beings sensse you feeel already
muhammah is comforter?hahahahhaha go and sell this story to this peoples:
It is 'Goodness Gracious' not 'Goodness Gracia'. Gracia , I believe is a district in Barcelona.
Ha ha , what have you done so far? No arguments from you except copy paste articles and videos which you do not understand. This shows that you have a poor grasp of the issue. you don't even know that your last video is making a claim of 'another' comforter which they still believe being the Holy Spirit. The problem here is that the Holy Spirit already exist as per the question :
if the Holy Spirit were already present on Earth, even during Jesus time, then how could the Comforter be the Holy Spirit? Remember, Jesus said that He needed to depart before the Comforter could come
Therefore its a different version of the Holy Spirit then. Waah! Holy Spirit also got versions issit? Version 1 , version 2 (aka mark 1 , mark 2).
However your Christian scholar in Dr Mevorach has no issues the comforter being Prophet Muhammad(saw). You need a really good argument to refute his opinion. So far none from you.
Hey I don't mind the people in the photo become muslims. This is for you :
You keep on avoiding and running away from the points I raised.
- Sam Shamoun is not a scholar , as far as I know he is a school dropout. However you claim he is a scholar. Can you back up your claim?
- Why is that when muslims criticse the Bible and Christianity you keep on insisting references to scholars (BTW pastors are not scholars). However you are ok with your polemics against Islam and Quran with references to 'answering islam' and 'faith freedom'. Since when are these entities scholars?
- Why do you brush aside works by real scholars like Prof Bart Ehrman , Prof Geza Vermes , Prof Dale Tuggy (to name a few) that points out the errancy of the bible and the nature of Jesus (works which I reference to)?
Lets see how many posts do you need to answer the questions. Can you stop running and stand your ground to answer. Issit asking too much?
Post time 13-5-2016 05:36 PM
The religion ofIslam claims that Muhammad (Mohammed) was as great a prophet as JesusChrist, that the Qur’an (Koran or Quran) succeeded the New Testament, and that Muslim (Moslem) teachings should be followed instead ofChristianity. In this study we compare the evidence for Islam tothe evidence for Jesus as revealed in the Bible: fulfilledprophecy, miracles, and the resurrection. Was Jesus the DivineSon of God crucified to save us from our sins, or is there justone individual Being in God (Allah)?
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