[JTBC/viu/ONEHD 2022] REBORN RICH - Song Joong Ki, Shin Hyun Bin, Lee Sung Min

mbhcsf

So, Song Joong Ki - what 's  the next drama ya...
suka tengok scene the Merce cruising smoothly on the bridge tu...niceee

mamat ni i tengok dalam 1 thn dia akan pilih 1 film yg dia suka penulis atau pengarah , sama juga drama

so what is next Joong Ki...???

rom com please lah tak nak alaa ala DOTS...buat macam money game  genre best gaks...

mbhcsf

Rahah replied at 21-12-2022 10:10 PM
Haah...
Yang ni pun curious jugak... apa endingnya... tapi i speku Hyeonwoo tu akan mati jugak... ...

yes - Do Jun mati dengan memori dia ditransferkan kepada Hyeon Woo...hahaha
so justice to Do Jun is carried out by Prosecutor Seo and Hyeon Woo...

mbhcsf

zehra2 replied at 26-12-2022 12:49 PM
udah confirm joongki oppa couple dgn minah salleh..
mmg dh tawar hati dgn korean kot.

well...it's good for him. ciri wanita idaman dia macam mirande kerr dulu dia kata macam tu...long hair lady...

baguzlah , sukar bagi dia nak elak publisti liputan ttg his relationship ni sebab dia celebrity, tapi elok dia tak payah layan hinggalah kahwin atau ape ape saje...

patutlah selama ni banyak pi EU, UK and i ingat dia dengan minah Vincenzo tu hahahaha

good for him.

i hope saesang koreans yg giler  sangat nak dia berbaik dengan Hye Kyo , iskkk....tak payah dok lelebih kan hal personal Joong ki sebab nyampah saesang korean i. let him behappy on his choice of wife.

mbhcsf

jap apa beze plot citer ni dengan plot jirisan dari segi  

flashbacks

well sejak ep 1, memang apa yg kita nampak adalah flashbacks sampai ep 15, cuma ade gabungan memori Hyeon Woo and Do Jun...sampai ke ep 15

wow


jirisan ade forwda - backwards flashbacks, memori si minah Ginna tu
pening tapi ade plot


dalam bulgasal...

lebih kurang macam reborn  di mana scene ep 1 adalah sambungan dalam scene semasa dalam ep 12...


hmm ,  dalam again my life

plot dinamik dia linear ...senang follow...seba dia babitkan He Wee and hs  own souls je..

mbhcsf

zehra2 replied at 26-12-2022 12:49 PM
udah confirm joongki oppa couple dgn minah salleh..
mmg dh tawar hati dgn korean kot.

hahahahhaha
terus ambik non celebrity...senang ye...

cicicumel

Do Jun lahir tahun 1977, mati tahun 2004,umur 27 tahun.

Hyeon Wo lahir tahun 1979.So dia start kerja dgn Soonyong masa umur 25 thn. Tahun current bila ek? 2021? So umur HW masa kena tembak tu 42 tahun.

HW koma sebulan tapi dia reborn dlm body DJ selama 17 tahun (start DJ umur 10thn)

Ramai yg argue nape muka DJ dan HW sama tp org x kenal. Alah, mcm Clark Kent dan Superman la. Haha. But i rasa muka dorg tak sama, cuma xkan la nk amik pelakon lain susah plak nk hadam. Cuma i berharap sgt muka si DJ kan batu nisan tu letak la muka lain so penonton akan faham. X pon selit2 scene dalan cermin, muka lain mcm cerita Quantum Leap.

Ending mcm mana ek? HW dan Miracle ambik alih Soonyong ke? I krg paham part tu. Dia berjaya take over Soonyong wlpon tanpa ada syer majoriti??

sitisbp

Part " reborn" tu yg very misleading or create confusion. Kalau ikut ending epi 16
Hw quote

"It wasn't possession or time travelling..it was repentance. A repentance for jin doojun and for me yoon hyeonwoo"

Repentance googled as Remorse or contrition for past conduct or sin. synonym: penitence.

Context ni mcm dia punya guilty conscience sbb tak report the accident but cooperate to concealed  it.

Dlm perjalanan coma tu dia mcm dreaming reborn as doojun sbb dia nak revenge ..cari sapa bunuh dia but he actually forget why dia keje dgn soonyang slps accidents tu in the 1st place. Mr Kim tu yg reminded him kat hujung2 epi 16. Mr kim suruh dia remember who he was sebenarnya sblm jd finance manager soonyang. Sbb tu in the end he revealed the recorded phone convo as evidence mmg ada penyelewangan dlm succession of soonyang group di mana doojun dibunuh. Mr kim silap langkah la sbb dia tak tau hw ada bukti tu.

En entahlah pening kekeke.

Anyway..the ending was a little bit anticlimax sbb quote hw atas tu, pada i la.

Anyway i suka open end between hw n minyeong. No need sambung relation. But fans yg nak thinking the possibility tu ada wws there jugak.

And hw berjaya rampas management right from anak beranak jin without a single share. Cuma tak conclude la his dream masa jd doojun nak beli soonyang n jd ceo nya. Now soonyang was manage by management specialist.  Hw work with miracle. Tak boom sgt la endingnya. I expect dia come back as dojun n mr oh recognised hw as dojun n both live happily ever after as business partner haha.

sitisbp

cicicumel replied at 26-12-2022 08:25 PM
Do Jun lahir tahun 1977, mati tahun 2004,umur 27 tahun.

Hyeon Wo lahir tahun 1979.So dia start kerj ...

Ha baru paham age n timeline nya.
Betul sbb pelakon sama bw 2 watak tu yg buat confused. The idea ada satu lg muka phantom doojun is better la agree. Even masa kat kubur tu je.

Doojun n miracle tak dpt beli sooyang. Tp dpt rampas management right sbb masa hearing tu cans of worm was spilled . So semua kena siasat la tu n terpaksa lepas kan jawatan masing2. Public apology ..kena pi terapi behaviour ke apa lg tah.
But itu mmg as what hw planned la. Soonyang now manage by management specialist... not hw or miracle.

cicicumel

sitisbp replied at 26-12-2022 09:40 PM
Part " reborn" tu yg very misleading or create confusion. Kalau ikut ending epi 16
Hw quote

I was hoping DJ x mati.. Tp koma beberapa tahun then jalani fisioterapi etc kat oversea then muncul kat court.. Hehehe. Sekali driver dia plak yg muncul jd saksi. But sounds cliche la plak kan. Haha..

But personally i x suka sgt2 cerita apa2 la yg kantoikan penjahat dgn cctv or voice recording.. Mcm too easy masuk trap.

mbhcsf

cicicumel replied at 26-12-2022 08:25 PM
Do Jun lahir tahun 1977, mati tahun 2004,umur 27 tahun.

Hyeon Wo lahir tahun 1979.So dia start kerj ...

yes

ending dia sangat...simolik, dalam kehipduan jasad as Do Jun dia payah benar nak secured saham miliknya sebab nak beli SoonYang tapi...bila ep 16 as you see, dengan tanpa ade apa apa di tangannya, hahaha dia mampu miliki SoonYang and dia tak duduk pun di tempat bilk dia kan?

hmm...nice dan dia muhasabh tu best

soalan atuk Jin tanya - nape nak sangat beli Soon Yang nak dapat ape?
now dia dapat jawapan dan penonton bersama Hyeon Woo at the end mendapat jawapan,  - perasaan sesal and ingin betulkan keadaan smeula and yeah repentance dia cakap taubat tapi i rasa more to redemption atau penebusan dosa tak langsung dia ketika peristiwa 20 thn lepas..

tapi babak peralihan - accident Do Jun - Hyeon Woo ep 15 tu plot tu kalau writer tak pandai oleh memang confused...sebab Hyeon Woo has no clue sapa Do Jun and apa berlaku Do Jun 4-2 masa ep 2...tetapi pada ep 15 ...kita tahu ...dan plot berbalik pada Hyeon Woo, dan apa kita lihat macam plot ep 1  sebenarnya sambungan pada ep 16.

mbhcsf

Rahah replied at 22-12-2022 09:52 PM
I think kan bukan Dojun jadi miskin semula... tapi timeline tu masa Hyeonwoo still hidup lagi... i ...

agreed, do jun and hyeon woo hidup dalam space and time yg sama and selari situasi mereka, seorang  kaye and seorang masih struggle.

yups,  you are right - you mentioned well tang ni - i...bukan do jun jatuh miskin tapi they both tu kan bertembung dalam parallel secene in ep 14

masa tu tau terdetik why ? kenep signifikan scene ni?

now bila tengok ending okaylah. i fahamlah apa motivasi dia.

cuma - masa Hyeon Woo has nil memory of 4-2 masa ep 2 , ketika di aterjaga dan sedar dia dalam badan Do Jun dalam kete , Hyeon Woo tu dalam jasad Do jun dan bawa memori current korean time  boleh tak tahu ye apa jadi kat Do Jun sedangkan....bila ep 15 , Do Jun dalam jasad as Do Jun and bila dia meninggal , dia dapat lihat wajah Hyeon Woo...dan itu ketika Hyeon Woo belum decided nak join SoonYang  lagi, lepas tuuuuuu, dia jumpe the managing director rakan subahat seong jun tu..Mr Kim..tu...dan decided tow rk for Soon Yang...

sebab tu nampak pelik je  dlm ep 1: tahap ketaatan and kebodohan Hyeon Woo - sanggup kene campak air oleh seong jun, diperlakukan sebegitu oleh Seong Jun...dan sanggup buat ape je .sebab he felt remorse, now bila dia tersedar yg dia tu disampahkan oleh keluarga Jin, maka inilah ...ep 16. as HW , Dia mula korek balik thumb drive yg ade dossier micro project tu...and now dia dengan berbekalkan memori Do jun tahu konteks and report to Prosecutor Seo...tapi....tapi  dalam ep 1, Hyeon Woo  daat tahu ttg dossier MICRO PROJECT tu kan and bagi screen shot kat Soeng Jun...then Mr Kim masuk office seong jun...then everything historylah lepas tu, dengan turkiye events and etc. TAPI...sejak bile Hyeon Woo ade masa pi salin MICRO PROJECT DOSSIER tu dlm thumbdrive and tanam dalam flower pot apartment dia ???? when?  tak tunjuk kan? yg kita tahu lepas HW tunjuk screen shot dalam ipad dia tentang kewujudan slush fund micro project dossier tu kat Seong jun, seong jun terus lantik dia jadi so and so pentinglah and boomed! kene bunuh di Turkiye. so i boleh assumed yg dia sempat salin semuakat dalam rumah dia sebelum ke turkiye...okay cuma hmmm..i expect something more dari plot expansion kat sini...

ni persoalan kedua  saye, Persoalan pertama ,  - how come ketika  dalam badan Do Jun ep 2, tu HW dalam jasad Do Jun tak ade memori pasal mamat ni? sedangkan dia as HW tahu yg dia terlibat dalam kejadian 20 thn kematian Do Jun, dia tahu ahli families Jin yg lain2 tu... ...itu yg buat org may be pening dan yes timeline...overlapping pertembungan pertama Do Jun - Hyeon woo berlaku ketika kejadian itu saja kan ..and memori the OLD HW ( sebelum coma ) adalah itu..so macam mane dia kata dia tak tahu siapa and apa terjadi kat 4-2???

but kan i cuma ade lontaran persoalan itulah ape pasal masa naratif  HW as Do Jun dia tak tahu ape jadi kat 4-2 masa ep 2 tu... sedangkan dalam ep 15  scene last and ep 16 dia tahu pun, adekah dia trauma ? and guilt sebab tu dia repressed atau benamkan memori dalam dalam?
tapi bila dia kene bunuh selepas coma tu baru dia sedar apa yg dia perlu buat...

tapi - now dia dalam jasad hyeon Woo and HW ade memori Do Jun...yg mengaitkan dia dengan Do Jun dalam dua aspek ni je -  (1) dossier micro project tu :  in ep 1 as Hyeon Woo yg tak tahu ape ape pasal ni, masa dia dalam jasad Do Jun - dia tahu yg slush fund MICRO PROJECT wujud dan ini diberitahu oleh Hang Jae...dan Hang Jae ade pun dalam ep 16 tu dan ( 2) HW adalah indivdu yg diletakkan dalam insiden kematian Do Jun 20 thn lepas as org yg dapat sahkan kematian Do Jun secara visual...secara tak langsung.

dan persoalan ketiga i ,kan....kalau dia hidup as Do Jun dalam jasad DJ dan dia tak dapat elak kematian dalam accident yg kedua , yg 1st tu masa dia dengan atuk Jin  tu...okaylah dia ade back ups...then ...why didn't he do something , sebab dia akan cakap ayat ni - yg dia tak dapat elak juga benda ni?

hmm...? could  he do something else as to provide the back ups ?

tapi recording HP pada Hyeon Woo tu lah satu satunya key evidence yg ade, yg menokhtahkan semua.



interesting plot twist  tang sini , sebab ep 1 tu HW i ingat akan matidah habis...and Do Jun is foerver dalam current time tapi tak apelah ...okaylah the justice is donelah.for both.

mbhcsf

sitisbp replied at 26-12-2022 09:40 PM
Part " reborn" tu yg very misleading or create confusion. Kalau ikut ending epi 16
Hw quote

agreed tang part tajuk tu misleading, sepatutnya dia bukan reborn Do Jun meninggal as Do Jun...Hyeon Woo masih dalam coma selepas ditembak di kepala i think and dia menyaksikan kehidupan dia as Do Jun  and dalam  jasad Do Jun when he was 14 - 27 years? 17 years dalam ruang - masa mimpi realm ruh dia masa coma?
so bukan reborn kan, dia experiencing his life as Do Jun...sebab ape i dunno - sebab dia juga dianaiaya sebab ? apa yg berlaku katdia sama like 20 years ago kat Do Jun..dan hanya dua benda yg kaitkan Do Jun , 4-2 tu dengan Hyeon Woo - the microproject  thingy and HW sendirik witnessing teh death of Do Jun...


so bukan reborn, dan bukan juga reincarnate sebab Do Jun mati tapi HW tak mati pun , so  yeah tajuk misleading.

so dulu i terfiir yg tajuk the Youngest  grandson of the conglomerate tu panjang and pelik dan reborn rich ni okay masa ep 2- 14 tapi bila tengpke p 15-16
nope, dia tak reborn
dia - re lived? dia experiencing the life of Do Jun je...

yups
pada i , sejak tengok plot yg pelbagai pendekatan dan gaya naratifnya

dramani macam sama plot bulgasal, di mana

ep 1 dalam bulgasal - sambungan pada ep 12 , bulgasal Da Hwal mati and REBORN and ini betullah reborn kan ...
dalam RR - ep 1 HW sambunga ep 15 , dia tak reborn cue dia re ??? living? re awakened with ?? new momory tambahan ?

i rasa plot move forward dalam kedua dua drama ni, tapi dalam jirisan ade back- forward plots yg pada i ganggu dinamik tapi tulah better than Love, Eat and Kill..

i belum tengok drama Mun Ga Yong dalam in the intrest of love tu ...

mbhcsf

ini persoalan menarik dalam RR

1. adakah ruh bound by space - time? HW coma dan dia secara jasadia tak sedar pun , tapi dia experiencing his life as Do Jun

2. Do Jun meninggal 20 years ago at the age of XX tapi mudalah, and kehidupannya dijelmakan semual sebagai memori dalam HW

persoalan 1 -  tu ialah persoalan usuluddin.

adekah ruh kita being bound by space and time?

in Islam tak ade konsep reincaranation sebab manusia  akan diadili akhirnya ade neraka and syurga itu absolute reality, which is logic sebab tak nak org seperti Seong Juna dn apaknya tu etrlepas begitu je...sedangkan apaknya bunuh org sesenang. sedangkan manusia boleh memilih kebaikan atau sebaliknya, free will kat sini.

Pasal ruang - masa ni - menarik sebab dalam realm dunia, yes kitas human  memang  wujud dalam space - time continnum.
tapi ade dalam sirah yg konsep ruang - masa dikecutkan contoh Isra mikraj ..sebab tu experiencing rasululah yg haq tu boleh dipersepsikan dalam realm manusia dalam dunia nyata perjalanan dlaam satu malam..

kalau tengok fakta saintifik , dalam konsep astronomi bukan main jauh kan  image bintang atau planet yg sampai ke mata kita, dalam juta tahun light years...kan?

may be intang tu pun dah tak wujud dah ketika kita teriam visual depa...

so inilah konsep menarik dalam RR.

Joong Ki i suke pulak dia nyer  intelligent bila pilih drama, adakah drama dia yg lain ade complex values ke?
allabout ceratin values ke?

cicicumel

mbhcsf replied at 27-12-2022 12:42 AM
agreed tang part tajuk tu misleading, sepatutnya dia bukan reborn Do Jun meninggal as Do Jun...Hyeo ...

Gigihnya u komen  berjela2. Hihi

Btw klu HW tak reborn, mcm mana si DJ tu boleh tahu semua pasal sejarah ekonomi Korea siap boleh predict dgn betul event2 penting tahun 1990an such as IMF, WTC dll. I percaya je dia reincarnation sbb konsep ni mmg diorang percaya kan.

mbhcsf

cicicumel replied at 27-12-2022 06:49 AM
Gigihnya u komen  berjela2. Hihi

Btw klu HW tak reborn, mcm mana si DJ tu boleh tahu semua pasal  ...

i..setuju. yg..tajukya..misleading sebab dia dalam ep 2, dia kata dia bukan time travelling , bukan reincarnate , tu dia cakap ketika dia  dewasa dah ,masa ep 2...masa dia dalam perjalanan  ke kolej SNU tu.
dan i juga  masa tu macam you jugak percaya dia reincarnate sebab HWiinngat dah mati. selepas ep 2, i yakin yg HW dah mati.
cuma now bila tengok semua peristiwa selepas ep 16 , dan pelik scene parallel ep 14 tu di mana watak HW dihidupkan.

well HW tak mati, dia coma, dalam coma ade  ruh dia interact dengan Do Jun dlaam bentuk mimpi.
so dia dapatmemori Do jun...da dalam realm ruh - time  - space  adalah lain dari realm jasad manusia hidup, sebab tu pada i logic je dia dalam comatose state , mimpi  kononnya dia hidup dalam badan Do Jun.dan expriencing kisah 4-2, semasa umur 4-2 tu dalam say, 14 - 27? 30?

but yes konsep reincarnate dalam buddhism ade. cume...do jun is dead, HW is alive ...as jasad dia cuma memori dia dapat daripada Do Jun tu ...dia ade advantage tapi kan dah semua keluarga Jin tak pegang soonYang kire dia dah selamat and dia tersukann misi Do Jun.
dari aspek narative, i nampak ep 1 sambungan dia adalah direct ke ep 16 , macam Bulgasal jugk, cuma tak terasa flashback tu sebab pandai plot design and organization oleh writer...

tak macam jirisan forward- backwards  and then forward sikit then backwards...so jadi macam annoying, tapi dalam RR and bulgasal terasa plot transition selepas ep 2 adalah ke depan walhal ia dalah penceritaan semula.

Dalam Bulgasal , yes ade reincarnation watak utama lelaki Da Hwal tu sebab dia memang mati dan lahir as manusia dalam dunia realm nyata...so...dalam RR not so.

chikumanis

semalam tak sempat tengok epi 16. ni baru habis layan epi 15, terus ke sini. alaaaa...endingnya mcm kompius juga ni. kena fokus bebetul ni...kalau tak, me kena repeat lagi sekali...hahahaaa

sitisbp

chikumanis replied at 27-12-2022 10:32 AM
semalam tak sempat tengok epi 16. ni baru habis layan epi 15, terus ke sini. alaaaa...endingnya mcm  ...

Ending mcm ikut suka kita la nak interpret mcm mana haha. Mmg pening. Kita pikir dia travel back in time n living as dojun . Dia sendiri tertanya2 sbb it felt so clear memory tu mcm real. Tp ujung2 dia ckp bukan... hanya repentance.  Apoo. Mmg saja la kot writer buat gini. Drama kalu viewer tak puas hati ni kdg melekat kat ingatan lg kuat banding yg happy ending. Sbb kita hold grudges lama bila tak puas hati hahaha.

xyla73

sebelum ada yg OT terlebih2, sapa2 nak sembang pasal awek baru SJK, sila masuk thread ni :
https://b.cari.com.my/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=5069922&extra=page%3D1&page=48


bukan apa, takut nanti kalau ada yg nak baca pasal drama je, terpaksa baca benda lain pulak...

sitisbp

Lepas 2 hari memikir ni my takes on the dream/ reborn issue....sini je tmt nak luahkan. Takde org baca pun takpe kihkihkih. Just nak melepaskan yg terbuku di hati je hahaha.

  HW have knowledge about all economic crisis n trends in the 90s to 2000s. Sebab dia umur beza  2 thn je dgn dojun. Masa crisis IMF tu dia kan sepatutnya amik college entrance exam kan tp sbb financial problem family he had no choice but to work instead of studying.
And dia budak pandai ya cuma takde luck sbb lahir dlm poverty. So he was aware of the country situation. Dia pun kerja dgn soonyang as contract worker until now in the span of 20yrs. Of course dia ada experienced mcm mana soonyang dealing dgn level bawahan. Turning point bila dia terlibat dgn accident tu. His life already hit rock bottom...hutang ayah dia bertambah2.

HW witnessed the accident  n saw DJ face. This is the point current HW was BORN. At epi 16 yg dia cuci tangan n look in the mirror ckp dia nak lupakan muka DJ.. so manage to suppressed the trauma .. his mantra was to just follow whatever job /instructions from the jins with no questions ask. But he keep his guard up jugak kan. Bak kata minyeong spjg dia kenal Hw mcm pakai baju armor.

But when he was shot at the cliff tu, i think it triggered his trauma n guilt. Everthing comes back to him. Why suddenly jins want  to kill him.? What did he do wrong now?

HW was REBORN at this point.
Walaupun he choose to accept the offer as permanent staff tu dulu dia rasa justified sbb nak get out from poverty but he knew its still wrong. And knowingly kerja dgn org yg orchestrated  the accident, mr kim n jin young ki. Sbb tu dia masih simpan bukti phone convo or dia cari bukti tu as insurance. Deep down he feel guilty no matter how hard he's trying to block it.

20yrs of working he knew their work ethics   their thinking semua. He knew all the dirty n mismanagement..slush fund .. how to avoid tax etc.. he knew it as HW before the killing.

He saw how the rich using money n power..he has his hand in it directly.  
So all this knowledge manifestation la yg create the dreamlike state he is living as dojun. Because ke knew dojun was killed..and they killed him too. He wanted to know who killed him just before they shot him.

So his dream/so called reborn is actually his regret and wishful thinking. What he can do to outsted the jin as if he were dojun. Thats why he cannot change his mothers fate...n even dojun fate. The connecting point is that accident where he saw dojun face.  When the dream of accident occured masa tu dia sedar fr coma . Coma 7 hari je tp perasaanya mcm 17 thn hidup as dojun.

The jin was evil and still is. His decision to continue his mission yg dlm dreamstate tu bila mr kim masih lookdown on him saying only those in power can seek revenge.  

Pasal minyeong pulak. HW sememangnya pernah jumpa dia. As org suruhan soonyang hw pasti tau sejarah minyeong vs soonyang. Dia yg selalu uruskan dokumen sblm pihak MY raided their workplace. Pasti jugak tau MY tu fiancee dojun, walopon takde info printed officially about 4-2. Cumanya prinsipnya kan tak dgr tak tanya etc. Ikut shj arahan. He blocked everything else...

Miracle pun mestilah dia tau ...takkan sejarah soonyang vs miracle takde dlm mana2 documents. Ni my assumption je.

This is how i want to accept the final episode la. Healing my brain from the plot twist hahaha..tenangggg.

mbhcsf

Tingginyeeeee rating RR ni ye....wow

Okay Joong Ki - what's next from you.....

( i dont care who is Katy Louise Saunders , that's your personal choice and rights)

I  only want to see the best quality and intelligent acting and analysis of character from your drama...so  what is next  Joong Ki?



eh , so weekend ni - hanya Alchemy  jelah yg best untuk ditonton...
Forbidden Marriage
Unlock My boss....

Oh citer Interests of Love tu best tak Mun Ga Yong?