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Originally posted by blastoff at 8-2-2009 08:34 AM 
Konsep asas yang berlaku dalam mukjizat memang tak lari dari hukum alam, sebab hukum alam ni pun Allah yang cipta , maka mestilah keduanya selari kan .
Contoh :
- Big snake eating littl ...
against the logic in the context of our discussion is basically referring to the acts mentioned above; and whether it could be executed within the natural ability and capacity of any insaan . Insan yang tak bergelar Nabi yg tak der pun mukjizat. Da bagi para pemerhati wow ....
Tapi lagi satu what we could infer is that we could see the manifestation of the ideas mentioned. Yes laut terbelah could be translated as " SOMEHOW IN THE NEAR FUTURE" there must be a way to connect the edges of a river together = i.e a bridge or sometime in the future there could be some sort of connecting "duct" or a tunnel from one land to another across the sea as consructing a brisdge would proven to be impracticle. Hence, the English tunnel connecting England ( Dover ) and France ( Calais)...
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for me
Originally posted by saden at 8-2-2009 08:51 PM
ok, bad choice of words on my part. but still, if u don't know something, and someone just tells you what to do, do you accept (on faith) or u learn first before following?
i would go to the basic of "iman " punay definition - to membenarkan sesuatu dalam hati, mengaku dgn lidah and mengamal dgn seluruh anggota ...
it would be faith..sebab kiat percaya apa yg ALLAh suruh ni betul...but then the logic comes a bit later , when you have synthesise things...kan?
though at the time , Allah has thrown the order + the logic+ synthesis later for our benefits at one go! itulah Mukjizat Makhnawi - kan.....Al - Quran... |
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alaaaaaa........
Originally posted by saden at 8-2-2009 08:57 PM
ni saintis kutuk saintis ni;
social psychologists want to be psychologists,
and psychologists want to be biologists,
and biologists want to be chemists,
and chemists want to be physicists,
...
hehehe dalam memana bidang pun sama ler ada punya bickering and bantering alaah physician perli the surgeon and the surgeon perli physician , the pharmacist perli orthopaedic surgeon ...sebab ...biarlah rahsia [ hehehe i taktahu ] |
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hehehe
Originally posted by saden at 8-2-2009 08:59 PM
ok tu..tapi bebudak ni kita bagi clue pun, suruh dia bagi buah fikiran...diammm je..
last2 class period abis..kena la bagi jawapan 
there is our culture
but my profs always said :
do I care if you guys had given me the wrong answer?
haa?
does your friend care at all whether you said things wrongly or what ?
so .they do not ....
and I would not remember things that happen in thsi class 3 minutes after i walked out ...
so , depa dah di"sound" supaya jgn jadi tunggul , they must OPINIONATED , sebab wei c'mon ....a mature student a uni actually should have this attitude...
so you see dear kat sini i tak nampak di mana ko kurikulum yg dikatakan membantu menjadikan insan yg berketrampilan tu in their workings...they are good when they become the pengarah of thsi project etc etc but when comes to the class and when teh suasana ilmu , active learning should be taken place .. they are in complete silence....? aneh , kan? |
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hmm..i like this
Originally posted by saden at 8-2-2009 10:42 PM
yes.. that red sea thing is another example. kita yg tau how the story ends boleh la theorize pasal logic, tapi kalau kita dalam situasi dia, dengan otak logik kita ni, macamana agaknye bila da ...
boleh jadi naqib ni .....ada tokoh in the lecture hall may be....yep why not , kan ?
my prayers... |
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but that is Prophet Moses...
why not Siti Maryam.....? ni lagi lah....miracle sungguh plus the implication , psychosocial issues ....lagi cayalah this lady....
lagi satu there are a few instances in the Quran where a baby could talk....
satu citer Prophet Isa
satu lagi Nabi Yusuf ( Joseph)
satu lagi Ashabul something yg Surah Al - Buruj
ni well mmg miracle...
tapi Prophet Ibrahim and his thinking i suka...
look at his own thoughts in deciding which of these celestial entities - the Moon , the Sun and ??? boleh disembah and he thought brillianlt and logically..kat sini exvception to the rules in which the logic / synthesise tu tapi well budak ni is ALLAH 's messenger lah kan.... |
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oh dalam konteks Siti MAryam tu kan...
cloning would be the manisfested ideas ..tapi banyak kelemahan jugak , sebab depa tengok Dollie the sheep tu ageing underwent rapid ageing, sebab ? one of the proposed theries ialah nuclues cells yg depa ambil daripada haiwan asal itu dalah dari somatic cells ( somatic cells = non - gamete cells lah ) yg dah "tua" so well if they could triggered the embryogenesis tu pun well the embryonic cells produce later are derived from the "ageing " somatic cells....
kenapa sel soma? sebab sel soma dah ada 46 chromosome, so what they do i think [ ni check balik i lupa dah] they tarik keluar nuclues cell ovum kan ada hanya 23 kromosom jer kan ? so depa bubuh yg 46 kromosom punya ( daripada sel soma tadi) and then triggered the cell division / embryogenesis by applying electric sparks jer...tapi tulah tu...still the Blue Print is with god... |
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eh sat sat
ok, logik untuk orang yg tau maklumat tu. tapi, kalau Nabi Musa dah tau benda tu, tak perlulah turun wahyu perintahkan baginda
campakkan tongkat kan? anyway, ni bukan macam indiana jones yg terjatuh dlm snake's lair yg mana ular2 tu sume tgh melepak. ni ular2 ahli sihir yg memang nak serang Nabi Musa. so, standing still might not be an option.
ni Indiana Jones yg mana satu , yer ?>
The Raiders of the lost ark?
The Temple of Doom?
The Last Crusade
The ....latest ones? |
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this reminded me of ....a person
bagus jugak bebudak iran n arab dtg sini. biar budak2 kita tau langit tinggi rendah. budak2 iran ni, bila kita tell something, dia play with the idea, dia tanya kita, what if i do this, what if i do that... budak2 kita pulak, setakat tau untuk periksa aje. bila kita bagi budak iran A, dia pulak B, dia tanya kenapa. kita pun cakaplah tengok budak iran tu punya exploring of the idea, sedangkan awak tu cuma setakat periksa aje.
>>> well ni tak lagi bagi depa cakap dgn bebudak Greek...
well, for these Greek students, everything they learnt - they will say hahaah it's our language!
like in anatomy - they will laugh at those studnt who needs to make sense of what the anatomical terms are - but fo them ...hahaha...that';s our language ..hantu sungguh |
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nih..aku nak tanya jap... ni ada cerita pasal black a color lagi ke tarak..... sbb siyesly those post sound like greek to me.... pun not intended wokeyyyy.... kalu nak beritahu black is a kaler or not a kaler... bley tolong tulis dgn bahasa yg aku dan ramai porummer lain leh paham dak...
almaklum... aku janitor biasa.. bukannyer bley tulis tahap scholars lagi... nih.... wokeyyy brader :victory:
masih pasal topik ni ker.......or citer nabi musa nih... aku pun naik konpius ler pulok...
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Originally posted by amazed at 9-2-2009 07:55 PM
nih..aku nak tanya jap... ni ada cerita pasal black a color lagi ke tarak..... sbb siyesly those post sound like greek to me.... pun not intended wokeyyyy.... kalu nak beritahu black is a kal ...
jawapan dia ada dah a few pages back.. ni kira tgh teh tarik session after the event la ni... walaupun masih citer philosophy of knowledge jugak |
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Originally posted by mbhcsf at 9-2-2009 03:40 PM
ni Indiana Jones yg mana satu , yer ?>
The Raiders of the lost ark?
The Temple of Doom?
The Last Crusade
The ....latest ones?
Raiders...
http://mikecs.net/prodigeek/2008/05/22/geek-out-moment-i-hate-snakes/
takde pulak youtube punya clip
dah macam2 movie dah ni.. star wars la. indiana jones la.. hehehe |
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Originally posted by mbhcsf at 9-2-2009 03:25 PM
cloning would be the manisfested ideas ..tapi banyak kelemahan jugak , sebab depa tengok Dollie the sheep tu ageing underwent rapid ageing, sebab ? one of the proposed theries ialah nuclues cel ...
hehehe masuk citer Dolly Parton pulak... my opinion la, from someone outside the field... i guess kita punya DNA ni dah hardcoded with an absolute timestamp. tak kira la kita freeze stem cell ke hapa, tapi that absolute timestamp tu tetap ticking. that's why bila kita activatekan cell tu (for cloning atau apa2), dia terus tua. ingat tak ada hadis nabi yg maksud lebihkurang semua penyakit ada ubat kecuali tua dan mati.. so, no chance to circumvent that la. |
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Originally posted by mbhcsf at 9-2-2009 03:52 PM
well ni tak lagi bagi depa cakap dgn bebudak Greek...
well, for these Greek students, everything they learnt - they will say hahaah it's our language!
like in anatomy - they will laugh at those studnt who needs to makesense of what the anatomical terms are - but fo them...hahaha...that';s our language ..hantu sungguh
hahaha hampeh punya budak greek. eh, tapi bukan ke saintis pakai bahasa latin? greek kita cuma pakai huruf je |
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Perbincangan kita bersambung sini ye mbhcfs dan saden melihat Islam dari perspektif sains
amazed , sori kami tiga dah terkeluar topic , thanks for reminding us .  In my new thread , the topic is extremely flexible . 
btw , thread color ni jangan lock la ye amazed .
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Category: Belia & Informasi
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Post time 9-2-2009 02:12 PM
, beca ... 
mana si darwin ni dapat bukti "valid" i pun tak tau la 
