penipu jual HP

wei_loon5063 · Post time 28-3-2007 10:42 PM

sini saya nak share tentang kawan saya kene tipu hp di sungai wang......
nama shopnye I*****m... shopnye warna merah

cam ni......... selepas dah discuss dengan sales man.... cakap harga rm790... okie...... pastu, bungkus semua dan balik.. baru tau bil tulis
rm710 !!!!!! tipu kami sebagai pengguna dan bosnye...... masuk poket sendiri......
nak balik pun tak boleh... bil tulis rm710.. nak bising pun tak guna la.....

jadi, berhati hati la sebelum meniggalkan kedai.. check semua benda dulu.........

rurouni_khairul · Post time 28-3-2007 11:14 PM

Bagus wei loon punya nasehat tuh...

Tapi saya cadangkan agar wei loon gi kat thread saya tentang NCCC dalam bod nie dan buat aduan secara online...

wei_loon5063 · Post time 28-3-2007 11:59 PM

aduan??? dengan persatuan pengguna???? mereka ada gunakah????
banyak masuk berita gambar berita besar baru buat check la, take action la

rurouni_khairul · Post time 29-3-2007 12:59 PM

Never underestimate others bro...try first...I personally was an ex-volunteer at NCCC and last time I checked NCCC able to process complaints efficiently.

Yesterday I visited the NCCC centre at Sungei Way...and as expected last month complaints has already been processed and they're opening about 100 new files for newly arrived complaints.

I suggest if your friend wants to expediate this matter, he or she need to lodge a complaint from the 'e-aduan' website because sometimes when people wish to pursue the old method (snail mail etc) they didn't wrote the complaint letter with precise information and that will only slowing down the processing of the complaint.

Go and lodge your complaint online now. Go to my thread in this board about National Consumer Complaint Centre.

wei_loon5063 · Post time 29-3-2007 02:30 PM

okie..... but how will they take action?? redeem my fren`s money or punish them?

rurouni_khairul · Post time 29-3-2007 02:47 PM

Basically, after receiving your friend's complaint, NCCC will forward a letter to show cause or give explaination to that company. NCCC will also C.C. the letter to the Ministry of Trade and Consumer Affairs (surely, that company will get a bit nervous when they realised that the complaint letter has been forwarded to the minister..) and also to the complainant as a sign that an action has been taken.

After seven (7) days and if that company didn't reply to NCCC and the ministry, NCCC will forward the case to Consumer Tribunal at Shah Alam. If the company wish to play the game the hard way and refused to appear in the tribunal, the tribunal will imposed sanction on that company and there's a possibility that the company's license will be cancel by the ministry.

But to be frank, usually the company will call the complainant and beg for settlement outside the Tribunal and when the complainant are fully satisfy, he or she will withdrew the complaint from NCCC and NCCC will close the file. That what I saw during my volunteer work at NCCC.

The issue here is not how much is your damages but more on are you been cheated or not? If you do...this is a proper way...

Ask your friend to give a shot..who knows the HP company will call your friend and offer a better HP with fair price...

Disclaimer: All I gave here is a guide, nothing more. Your result may vary.

wei_loon5063 · Post time 2-4-2007 11:37 PM

thanks.... you have a law background??
let me ask you.... about the rights that protect people that are being owed money..... are there any law that protect their rights??

like A buy goods from B with credit(black and white).... but he keep delays it till few years...... and seems like he do not want to pay it..... i asked a lawyer before.
she say waste money if i file a lawsuits as it is not worth it.... because people only file it if the debts are about few millions....

p.s. the lawyer charge me rm500!!!!! for my question and her answer....
hope you wont charge me that much....

ifanonline · Post time 3-4-2007 08:54 AM

haiya, just mention the shop la, i also have experience buying fake hp in MINES shopping complex, better be careful, to many fake traders...

wei_loon5063 · Post time 3-4-2007 09:49 AM

hahaaaa............... okie
jz being cautious... the shop name is Innocom........ it is decorated with red colour

rurouni_khairul · Post time 3-4-2007 01:24 PM

Originally posted by wei_loon5063 at 2-4-2007 11:37 PM
thanks.... you have a law background??
let me ask you.... about the rights that protect people that are being owed money..... are there any law that protect their rights??

like A buy goods fr ...

Woohooo...I admit some lawyers do charged a large sum of money just to hear their opinion...I guess the lawyer you spoke to must be from a large law firm, right?

To tell the truth, I use to work in a law firm which specialize in Banking and Debt Collection. The smallest amount I've encountered while I work there was around RM2,000 (Credit Card facilities) that's all. In addition, my firm acting on behalf of the bank, but we never act on behalf of individuals.

Thus, I must say that I'm not experienced enough to give profesional advice to you....

However, may I ask how long does that person owes the money? If it's more than 6 years and no legal action has been taken, the cause of action will be barred since the limitation period has lapsed.

wei_loon5063 · Post time 3-4-2007 05:39 PM

icic...............
the law firm?i have no idea but from its office size.... okok la...... sad huh..... people are being professional to earn money not to help people...... you know this street lawyer movie?
about lawyer help those poor people...... for free or cheap price

rurouni_khairul · Post time 3-4-2007 05:49 PM

Originally posted by wei_loon5063 at 3-4-2007 05:39 PM
icic...............
the law firm?i have no idea but from its office size.... okok la...... sad huh..... people are being professional to earn money not to help people...... you know this street ...

Yes...I admit some of them are like that..but what can we say, they only want to earn a living....

Hehehe..I've heard a more realistic story compare to that movie. It's about our Malaysian lawyer who loves to help the poor and waived his profesional fees until the day he died, he don't even have enough money for funeral (purchase kain kapan) ya know...sad uh?

wei_loon5063 · Post time 3-4-2007 06:01 PM

yeah........... erm.... let me make clear the term make a living here.............
the lawyer owns big house, drive big car, have the best meal in town........ that is make a living????
i`m from terengganu.... there`s this doctor.... he got JPA go to usa to get his doctor professional certs..... and guess what?? he works in govenment hospital..... i really respect this guy....
a lot of people say he is stupid..... as private hospital earn more than govenment hospital...

about the lawyer you mentioned........ i feel sad that the world is going such way.... do not know what influence them.......

rurouni_khairul · Post time 3-4-2007 06:06 PM

Originally posted by wei_loon5063 at 3-4-2007 06:01 PM
yeah........... erm.... let me make clear the term make a living here.............
the lawyer owns big house, drive big car, have the best meal in town........ that is make a living????
i`m fr ...

That's why we cannot judge people within a certain profession as all the same. There a good lawyers out there willing to sacrifice their time and lifestyle just to help others whereas there are also bad doctors out there who sells cough syrup to drug addicts.

wei_loon5063 · Post time 3-4-2007 07:13 PM

so, which groups do you belong to?

i am engineer............

rurouni_khairul · Post time 4-4-2007 05:30 PM

Originally posted by wei_loon5063 at 3-4-2007 07:13 PM
so, which groups do you belong to?

i am engineer............

Maybe I'm one of the good guys...huhuhu...

elbecks · Post time 5-4-2007 03:20 PM

kadang dok pelik gak kan ada org yg pertikaikan fees profesional mcm lawyers, akauntan dll... alasannya diaorg kata profesional ni jual kertas je kenapa charge mahal2... tapi diaorg tak pikir agaknya kertas yg profesional ni jual dan print tu datang sekali dengan liabiliti...

lepas tu ingat senang ke nak pi belajar bertahun2 utk dapat recognition

rurouni_khairul · Post time 5-4-2007 04:11 PM

Penah baca buku Rich Dad tulisan Robert T. Kiyosaki tak?

Dalam buku tuh Robert sendiri akui yang beliau silap bila memperkecilkan kepentingan khidmat lawyer dan akauntan. Beliau dulu penah bukak satu kilang untuk keluarkan produk2 cam beg dan dompet berasaskan Nylon. Beliau adalah orang yang mula2 keluarkan produk camtuh. Sebelum tuh orang buat beg atau dompet samada guna kain atau kulit.

Beliau memang nak patenkan idea tuh tapi bile die tengok lawyer fees USD 10,000 untuk patent application, beliau tak nak bayar. Pada beliau mase tuh, buat rugi ajer nak bayar duit banyak tuh hanya untuk beberapa helai kertas...kire die kerek la jugak mase tuh.

Tak sampai setahun pastuh, banyak company copy idea die dan keluarkan produk berasaskan Nylon. Akhirnya company die gulung tikar. Tindakan undang2 takleh amik terhadap infringement sebab die takde ownership towards that invention.

So, moral die kat sini...jangan fikir lawyer fees atau accountant fees yang mahal hanya untuk beberapa keping kertas...pikir ape yang beberapa keping kertas tuh bole bagi dalam hidup atau bisnes anda.

P.S:Bapak Jacklyn Onasis dulu hanya bermodalkan satu agreement ajer untuk hak eksklusif bagi menghantar barang2 keluaran sebuah syarikat manufacturing ke seluruh dunia. Dengan hanya sekeping agreement tuh beliau mampu membina empayar kekayaan die sendiri.

wei_loon5063 · Post time 5-4-2007 06:55 PM

betul......... tapi........ kertas itu atau agreement... kalau di tandatangani oleh A dan B sahaja tanpa saksi lawyer.... kertas itu boleh guna keh??

rurouni_khairul · Post time 5-4-2007 07:14 PM

Originally posted by wei_loon5063 at 5-4-2007 06:55 PM
betul......... tapi........ kertas itu atau agreement... kalau di tandatangani oleh A dan B sahaja tanpa saksi lawyer.... kertas itu boleh guna keh??

Biasenya mesti ade saksi laa..itulah gunanya pesuruhjaya sumpah atau notari awam...