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Hadith umur Aisha yang status AHAD la kau orang sibuk
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sorry, bangkem tak tahu maksud lawak tu 
yang bangkem tahu, lobainita @ibnur cuba nak bantah hadis sahih ini dengan alasan hadis ini hadis ahad
itu lagi lawak 
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maksud bangkem, korang dengan kassim ahmad sama je, sebab pertikai method bukhari dalam menentukan sesuatu hadis tu sahih atau tak
jadi, kitab sahih bukhari ni 100% sahih ke tak? tapi kalau tengok dalam thread ni, you memang pertikaikan kesahihan hadis bukhari ni 
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Edited by sam1528 at 30-8-2016 12:57 AM
kemaruk replied at 29-8-2016 06:09 PM
Ko okay je? Macam gelabah habis je.. siap pertikaikan hadis sahih 
Ko sendiri tahu orang tua umur 50 tahun lebih kawen dengan budak 10 tahun is morally wrong.. itu dah cukup bagi bangkem
Dan ko takleh pertikaikan kebenaran tu sebab sudah tercatat dalam HADIS SAHIH
Ha ha , so ko hanya argue atas pendapat (yg tak berguna) ko tu yg nowadays its morally wrong for a 50 yrs old man to marry a 10 yrs old kid. Fair and good , tapi what about something that happened ~ 1400 yrs ago?
Appears that ko apply the current society values to what has happened in the past. Argumen ni kita panggil presentism.
presentism besets us in two different ways: (1) the tendency to interpret the past in presentist terms; and (2) the shift of general historical interest toward the contemporary period and away from the more distant past. Although the first propensity was implicit in Western historical writing from its beginnings, it took a more problematic turn when the notion of "the modern" began to take root in the 17th century. Over time, modernity became the standard of judgment against which most of the past, even the Western past, could be found wanting. The second trend, the shift of interest toward the contemporary period, clearly has a connection to the invention of modernity, but it did not follow as much in lockstep as might be expected.
Jelas ko tak cukup cerdik to know about the evolution of society. Ni dia study by the Uni of SydneyAn age of consent statute first appeared in secular law in 1275 in England as part of the rape law.....
There was one exception: a man's acts with his wife, to which rape law, and hence the age of consent, did not apply.....
In trials, juries were often unwilling to simply enforce the law. Rather than focusing strictly on age, they made judgments about whether the appearance and behavior of a girl fit their notions of a child and a victim. It was not only that relying solely on age seemed arbitrary to them; at least until the end of the 19th century, age had limited salience in other aspects of daily life....
the inconsistency of these different laws was the lack of an obvious age to incorporate into law. Although scientists and physicians had established that menstruation and puberty occurred on average around age 14 in Europe at this time, different individuals experienced it at different ages -- a fluid situation at odds with the arbitrary line drawn by whatever age was incorporated into law....
moral reformers drew the age of consent into campaigns against prostitution. Revelations of child prostitution were central to those campaigns, a situation that resulted, reformers argued, from men taking advantage of the innocence of girls just over the age of consent...
More than 800 years after the first recorded age of consent laws, the one constant is the lack of consistency. Laws around the world define the socially appropriate age of consent anywhere from 13 to 18....
Kita boleh tengok evolution of society values. Hanya 100 thn lepas aje ada consistency dlm penguatkuasa age of consent. Tu pon pasal campiagn menentang child prostitution. Ini bermakna hingga thn 1900 , berlaku child marriage & it was a practice accepted by society (ie. There was one exception: a man's acts with his wife, to which rape law, and hence the age of consent, did not apply)
Of course lah sekarang , society kita tak boleh terima child marriage pasal due to evolution of society. Tapi sebelum 1900 , child marriage was an acceptable practice.
Kemungkinan , moyang ko pon involved in child marriage .... jadi ikut pemikiran songsang presentism ko tu ..... moyang ko tu pedofil lah. Bagus lah tu , ko ni keturunan pedofil.
Ooi bangang ..... pakai lah otak sikit ..... memang zaman skg child marriage is not acceptable tapi it was an acceptable practice sebelum 1900. Hanya org kurang cerdik macam ko kondem the past dgn ukuran zaman sekarang.
In light of such research , apa problem ttg perkawinan antara Nabi Muhammad(saw) & Aishah(ra) ~ 1400 thn lepas?
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Ahh sudah.. kejap pertikai hadis, kejap kata benda tu biasa.. be consistent la nda
Semianya untuk cover malu je.. |
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hari ahad tu kat padang pasir? kat malaya dah hari isnin kan? 
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Ha ha , ko dah jam kan
Aku tak pertikai hadith tersebut .... ahad ke , kononnya perawi nyanyuk ke .... entah apa ke benda lagi
Aku tanya ko apa problem perkawinan Nabi Muhammad(saw) dgn Aishah(ra) yg telah berlaku ~1400 thn lepas?
The values of society then was very different from the present. Pasal apa ko gunakan the present values to judge what happened in the past?
Hanya org kurang akal aje buat demikian
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Ah sudah.. sepatutnya cara hidup nabi sesuai untuk sepanjang zaman  |
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Tapi bangkem setuju, semakin lama, agama jadi semakin tak relevan.. bagus nda.. bagus  |
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Ha ha ..... cara hidup lain , society values lain
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Tak kata pon ugama tek relevan.
Yg ditanya -
aku tanya ko apa problem perkawinan Nabi Muhammad(saw) dgn Aishah(ra) yg telah berlaku ~1400 thn lepas?
The values of society then was very different from the present. Pasal apa ko gunakan the present values to judge what happened in the past?
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Nabi tak patut buat sesuatu yang rendah nilai sosialnya di masa akan datang
Nabi sepatutnya relevan sepanjang zaman, sebagai contoh.. tapi yelakan, agama ni ciptaan manusia, mesti ka ada kecacatan |
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Ha ha .... aiik? Dari cara hidup dah ubah cakap pada rendah nilai sosial pulak? Pusing2 pulak ko ni ye
Ko tak baca ke , dari research tersebut :
There was one exception: a man's acts with his wife, to which rape law, and hence the age of consent, did not apply.....
Can you tell me what it means?
Lagi pon , pasal apa ko nak paksa Nabi Muhammad(saw) utk tahu apa yg akan terjadi? Dia hanya manusia ...
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Cara hidup nabi tak sesuai dengan social value sekarang..
Ini fakta.. bukan keling2 macam korang |
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Ha ha , ko buat lagi kesilapan bodoh ko tu
Cara hidup lain ..... society values lain
Awat hang ni bengap sgt?
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Still tak ubah ape2 pon pendirian asal bangkem.. perkataan cara hidup masih ditekankan..
Cara hidup nabi tak sesuai dengan nilai sosial zaman sekarang.. nabi sepatutnya relevan sepanjang zaman..
Checkmate |
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Ha ha , aku peduli kalo ko tak mau ubah pendirian ko.
Itu org panggil bodoh sombong. Macamana ko boleh conflate cara hidup & society values?
Ini satu kebodohan yg ko cuba pertahankan
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Checkmate..
Ternyata cara hidup nabi tak sesuai dengan nilai sosial zaman sekarang.. tak relevan dah.. no wonder lobai ibnur susah payah pertikai hadis sahih tu sebab ibnur tahu perbiatan kahwin dengan aishah pada usia semuda tu adalah takleh diterima akal manusia zaman sekarang hahahha
Haha checkmate.. atheist dah menang |
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Ha ha , ternyata ko amat bangang. Kalo ko klaim cara hidup Nabi Muhammad(saw) adalah kawin budak ...... errrr berapa ramai budak yg dia kawin? Adakah tersebut cara hidup?
LOL , rupa2 nya ko tak tau apa makna 'cara hidup'. Laaa .... ko dok berhujah tapi tak tau apa asas ko.
LOL , ko ni bangang rupa2 nya. Apa daaa .... 'cara hidup' pon ko tak tau makna tapi ada hati nak berhujah
Macamana ko boleh klaim ko menang pasal ko tak tau pon apa makna 'cara hidup'?
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Nda tak tau apa tu sunnah ke
Dah la nda.. member ko lain gogih pertikaikan hadis sahih ni.. ko pulak mengiyakan hadis ni |
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Ha ha ..... dah mula nak lari dah tu. Jgn cakap pasal sunnah .... tanda ko nak cuba lari lah tu
Ko kata cara hidup Nabi Muhammad(saw) salah pasal kawin budak. Semua bini Nabi Muhammad(saw) tu budak ke?
Kalo tak .... macamana boleh jadi cara hidup dia?
You are not using your brains ....
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Post time 29-8-2016 09:01 PM
