[MERGED]-Debmey: SHOW PROOF THAT PROPHET MOHAMMAD IS A PAEDOPHILE?

sonny~~

Originally posted by Debmey at 30-10-2005 12:02 AM
All we know is, Mo had sex with a 9 year old Aisha as recorded in Al Bukhari hadith.

peace

no more spammin, no more hecklin.  otherwise u gonna get MOD DAR after ur arse  :cak:

sonny~~

lets lighten up  

Fuzzman

A-yo Sonny~~ my Unitarian Christian fren how be you? Until now not Debmey nor Heckler can put on straight ace face and tell me what be the age of Ayeshah when she broke off her engagement to Jubair ibn Mut'am. If Ayeshah presumably got engaged to prophet Mohammad 3 years after her return from Ethiopia at the age of 6, then by simple calculation, Ayeshah must have been betrothed to Jubair at childbirth for the marriage to be consumated at 3???  There's something not right here and it cannot be found in any narratives except the Iraqi/Iranian narratives. As it all sounds rather mysterious, we should now try to reseach whether Hisham or his father Urwa were Sunni or Shia?

LOL. Could that little dancing guy be Jubair ibn Mut'am?

ARI FUZZMAN

Debmey

Ahahahahah.... even up till now, Fuzzman cannot tell us that Al Bukhari's account was wrong about Mo marrying Aisha at 6 and having sex with her at 9 years old.

From Bukhari vol. 7, #65:
            "Narrated Aisha that the prophet wrote the marriage contract with her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old.  Hisham said:  "I have been informed that Aisha remained with the prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death).""


Bukhari vol. 7, #88:
            "Narrated Urwa:  "The prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).""

sonny~~

there go the blind spammin desperately to keep 3 headed trinity god erect  :cak:

Debmey

and yu have no answer to what teh haditsh recorded abt Mo having sex witha  9 year old girl.

Fuzzman

Originally posted by Debmey at 14-11-2005 09:17 AM
Ahahahahah.... even up till now, Fuzzman cannot tell us that Al Bukhari's account was wrong about Mo marrying Aisha at 6 and having sex with her at 9 years old.  

Ahahahaha....Sonny~~ is right. You're spamming. That means you're bankrupted and have nothing more then those two narratives from Bukhari to work on as your frontline defence. And by the way, don't twist. Bukhari a master recorder who spent his life recording narratives that were common acceptances. So technically it isn't "BUKHARI'S ACCOUNT". The age accounts came from Urwa and his son Hisham; both of whom reported out of Iraq and not Medina. Maybe you can do something useful by telling us whether Urwa and his son Hisham were Sunni or Shia?

You find nothing to doubt about Hisham's age account for Ayeshah. Good for you then. So how about stretching that good feeling, and start telling me the age of Ayeshah when she was engaged to Jubair ibn' Mut'am? Let me clue you in towards smart math. If you did the math according to Hisham's narrative, the engagement age of Ayeshah to Jubair should have been done by Abu Bakr when Ayeshah was still in her mother's womb! Tell me I'm wrong..if you can!

ARI FUZZMAN

Debmey

Bukhari recorded that Mo had sex with a 9 year old Aisha.
Are you saying that Bukhari's hadiths are not authentic?

Fuzzman

Originally posted by Debmey at 15-11-2005 01:51 AM
Bukhari recorded that Mo had sex with a 9 year old Aisha.
Are you saying that Bukhari's hadiths are not authentic?

Ahahahaha finally it is happening in this thread. Debmey's gonna do me a chicken run? C'mon my Los Diablo fren I'm not buying your twisting. Put an end to your spamming and just let me know what be the age of Ayeshah when she was first engaged to Jubair ibn Mut'am?

ARI FUZZMAN

Fuzzman

Debmey, you seem like a smart person, so please help out by telling me whether Hisham and his father were Sunni or Shia? Thanks sport. I know you will not let me down!

ARI FUZZMAN

Debmey

Aha! Fuzzman is stuck in his denials.

Bukhari clearly shoiws that Mo had sex with Aisha when she was only 9 years old.
He is stuck because he dare not claim that Al Bukhari is not wrong.

cheers

sonny~~

Originally posted by Fuzzman at 29-10-2005 10:51 PM
Ahahahaha looka here! Looks like I just struck me a hornets nest! Like I said, you fcuks aren't gonna get off that easy when I've got my fingers on your jug ...

C'mon Heckler we aren't looking for what you think is perfect because you aren't reliable authority. Just a jack of all trades but master of none. Since Bukhari states the age of betrothal of Ayeshah to the prophet as 6, you guys having been holding on to that fact for life. Now if 6 is the betrothal age that is accepted by Arabic standards at that time, therefore we should apply that age for Ayeshah's earlier betrothal to Jubair ibn' Mut'am and not the Jewish tradition of 3.

So Ayeshah must have been betrothed to Jubair at age 6. Abu Bakr tried to get the marriage going when Ayeshah was about 8 to 9. The marriage contract to Jubair was nullified and Ayeshah followed her father into Habshah away from persecution at the age of 8 to 9. They returned 3 years later to Medina when Ayesha was 11 or 12 years old. The prophet had nothing to do with Ayeshah before the run into Habshah, only post-Habshah. Therefore the betrothal to prophet Mohammad must have taken place at the age of 11 or 12 and the marriage when she was 14 or 15. But I personally think  that the betrothal was short to allow Ayeshah time to recuperate from her illness because Abu Bakr had given money to the prophet to built the house for the coming marriage. Ayeshah must have got married to the prophet at the age of 12 or 13. She was probably 21 or 22 when the prophet passed on.

So angels, please tell me the age of Ayeshah when she was engaged to Jubair ibn' Mut'am?

yo
d u have the link on this betroth between ayeshah n jubair?  tq  

peace

Originally posted by sonny~~ at 15-11-2005 08:54 AM


yo
d u have the link on this betroth between ayeshah n jubair?  tq  

peace

Hi Sonny~~....how are you my friend?.. Hope everything's great...

I have got one link here which should be helpful. I'm sure bro Fuzz has one too.


:pray:http://www.irfi.org/articles/art ... th_of__a_prover.htm

sonny~~

this thread looks very much like the surah thread

sfe gonna say surah is hopeless but dont dare challenge it while FUZZ calls for a challenge if hes in doubt

likewise demby wanna cite bukhari age but dont dare start counting aesyah's age when shes betrothed to jubir as pointed by FUZZ

uh huh  ;)

sonny~~

Originally posted by KENNKID at 15-11-2005 09:01 AM


Hi Sonny~~....how are you my friend?.. Hope everything's great...

I have got one link here which should be helpful. I'm sure bro Fuzz has one too.

gee tq  :clap:

Debmey

Originally posted by sonny~~ at 15-11-2005 08:54 AM


yo
d u have the link on this betroth between ayeshah n jubair?  tq  

peace

Are you saying that Al Bukhari is wrong?

Originally posted by Debmey at 15-11-2005 09:19 AM

Are you saying that Al Bukhari is wrong?

ha穌ith    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (h-dth)
n. Islam pl. hadith, or ha穌iths

A report of the sayings or actions of Muhammad or his companions, together with the tradition of its chain of transmission.
The collective body of these traditions.
See Sunna.

[Arabic ad, report, news, tradition, from addaa, to report, from adaa, to be new. See d in Semitic Roots.]

>> http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=hadith

Sun穘a also Sun穘ah    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (sn)
n. Islam

The way of life prescribed as normative in Islam, based on the teachings and practices of Muhammad and on exegesis of the Koran. Also called hadith.
Muhammad's way of life viewed as a model for Muslims.

[Arabic sunna, customary practice, tradition, from sanna, to sharpen, shape, enact. See nn in Semitic Roots.]

>> http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=sunna


Bukhari

author of the most generally accepted collection of traditions (Hadith)


>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bukhari


The narratives describing Ayesha抯 (ra) age at the time of her marriage do not fall under the scope of Sunnah. Obviously, the narrative of Ayesha抯 (ra) age at the time of her marriage is not a part of "the sayings of the Prophet, (peace be upon him)", it cannot be termed as the Prophet抯 "practices" and neither can it be included in the "actions which gained his approval". The narrative of Ayesha抯 age is just a narrative of a historical event. Just because it has been reported by Bukhari and Muslim, does not change its status from being a narrative of a historical event to a Sunnah. Because of this fact, this narrative should be seen in the light of all other narratives of historical events which have been reported by Bukhari, Muslim and other historians of Islam.  

In the presence of all these historical narratives that contradict the narrative of Ayesha抯 age at the time of her marriage, any one who wants to prove that Ayesha (ra) was nine years at the time of consummation of her marriage has the responsibility of telling others why he is rejecting all the other historical narratives and accepting only the one that states Ayesha抯 age to be nine at the time of her marriage.


:pray:http://www.understanding-islam.com/ri/mi-006.htm

Debmey

Here's the contradiction from kennkid.
He states that Bukhari is the most generally accepted collection of traditions (Hadith), in the same breath, he also states that the narratives describing Ayesha抯 (ra) age at the time of her marriage do not fall under the scope of Sunnah.
First of all, on what basis does it claim taht Aisha's narration do not fall under sunnah?  
So if he claims that there are inaccuracies in Al bukhari's record, how do you know which portions are accurate and which isn't?
Yet traditional Islam does not teach such things. Thats why many muslims all over the world have sex with girls from teh first menses, taking after Mo as model. These muslism certainly don't think Al bukhari is incaccurate in that respect and no Islamic authority are against such practices.

In effect, Kennkid is having his private islamic theology in order to cover up the mebrassment of the fact that Mo indeed had sex with a 9 year old.

Fuzzman

Originally posted by sonny~~ at 15-11-2005 08:54 AM
yo d u have the link on this betroth between ayeshah n jubair?  tq  peace

A-yo Sonny~~. How be you my Unitarian friend? Sorry for the delay. Looks like my good brother, Kennkid has already provided you a very good link with regards to your request.

However if you need to browse for more feeds on the same, here they be:-
http://www.answers.com/topic/aisha
http://www.masterliness.com/a/Aisha.htm.

If you noticed I gave you links from non-Islamic sites, so as to eliminate the accusation of bias. Anyways thanks for your contributed comments that followed past this request.

ARI FUZZMAN

Originally posted by Debmey at 16-11-2005 08:07 AM
Here's the contradiction from kennkid.
He states that Bukhari is the most generally accepted collection of traditions (Hadith), in the same breath, he also states that the narratives describing Ay ...

Debmey, you are deliberately lowering your own level of intelligence (I wouldn't want to use the word intellect because I don't think you qualify), for your own dirty purposes, to suit your own dirty mind and to satisfy your own  filthy intentions. I don't think I'm being hard on you by saying that. You can regard it as charity.

You have knowingly pretended not to understand what sunnah and narrations mean.

You also have the responsibility of answering my paragraph in red.

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