DAP - Kalimah Allah milik Kristian

Santeira

mrsamz posted on 5-3-2014 01:43 PM
sbb ko ni aku nampak syok sendiri pun ada gak...teori ko antara nya ialah..
--benarkan penggunaan ...

Kalau dia tak apply pun orang boleh lekehkan kalimah Allah tu. So? Ko ingat kalau Malaysia tak bagi dorang guna perkataan Allah orang yg nak hina perkataan Allah takkan hina? LOL

So are you saying pendekatan 'mudah' bagi ko iaitu dengan tak bagi kristian malaysia guna perkataan Allah akan menyebabkan orang Islam jadi kurang keliru?

Ah_Kwan

slippergombak posted on 5-3-2014 01:45 PM
DAP yg pegang kuasa kaa...??? DAP yg memerintah negara kaa..?? DAP bleh jadi PM malaysia kaa..?? c ...

seekor lembu politaik sudah mau campur pulak...
baiklah...semuanya salah umno yer....dah..settle

keh keh keh

Lina66

cmf_conan posted on 5-3-2014 01:22 PM
bagi aku takdak masalah pon selagi die guna ditempt dan waktu yg betul.

Terima Kaseh conan...
jawapan yg simple dan senang diterima akal.. no belit2 mcm sesetengah poremer bagi...

aku pon naik fening.. kdg2 konpius pon ado..

Santeira

Ah_Kwan posted on 5-3-2014 01:46 PM
keh keh keh...

inikan forum...wa suka jer mau carik gaduh sama mereka yang rasa2 macam pandai d ...

So sama je lah, aku pun suka je cari gaduh mcm ko. So tak payah la ko nak kata 'jemaah yg akan tentukan'? I mean is that the best you can do? Marah org buat tapi ko pun buat. Bagi ko kalau tak selari dengan pendapat ko tak payah cakap apa2 kan? I say, "go to hell" je lah. Ini forum, mmg tempat org bercakap. Kalau tak puas hati pegi duduk hutan.

tinker_bell

Santeira posted on 5-3-2014 01:42 PM
Nanti org pun akan kata sini pun ada Melayu Sunni je takda org arab kecuali expat dan jumlah arab  ...

ko ni tiap2 hari ada mengucap??ada sembahyang??ko ada sebut nama Allah tak tiap2 kali ko mengucap dgn sembahyang??ko jgn bahas kn benda sampah mcmni boleh??org kristian dkt msia lgsg tak ada kaitan dgn arab..melayu dgn arab bhubung sbb islam..sbb nabi kte org arab..tp org kristian dgn nabi isa tak ada kaitan lgsg dgn arab..cuba jgn jadik forumer sampah boleh??

Ah_Kwan

Santeira posted on 5-3-2014 01:48 PM
So sama je lah, aku pun suka je cari gaduh mcm ko. So tak payah la ko nak kata 'jemaah yg akan ten ...

keh keh keh
bukan tidak selari dengan pandangan....
tapi sangat tidak betul..
contoh bila lu kata translate tuhan = Allah? wth
macam wa cakap...kalau bodoh jangan kasi tunjuk boleh...
hell= neraka ke?
atau hell = api?
keh keh keh


ada sedikit silap...kalau tak puas hati..kasi bantai la dalam ini forum...
apa pasal mau duduk dalam hutan?? sudah ada rumah lagi mau duduk dalam hutan..idiot

keh keh keh

slippergombak

kuat aku mengatakan orang2 UMNO nih mmg penganut agama melayu UMNO berkilbatkan presiden mereka dan berkitabkan utusan malaysia, bukan beragama islam... agama islam hanya cop kat IC jerk....


wat aper pegi beratur kat mahakamh tuh bangang, kalu tak bagi bible guna nama Allah kat malaysia.. ko pegi beramai2 jumpa PM ko sujud tuh laa bangsat, dia yg pegang kuasa.. ko penyokong dia... kasi cabar kami nak jatuhkan ko kalu benar bukan islam pakai bible ada nama Allah... musti dia akan pinda cepat2 sebab nak pertahan kuasa..


bangang orang2 UMNO nih semua.... tuh laa cakap orang UMNO bukan agama islam.... mereka suka nak mempergunakan agama islam sebab nak namapk mereka islamik kununnya.. tapi tgk muka sekor2 yg berhimpun sebijik muka2 penyamun semuanya...

slippergombak

Ah_Kwan posted on 5-3-2014 01:46 PM
seekor lembu politaik sudah mau campur pulak...
baiklah...semuanya salah umno yer....dah..settle
...

wat aper pegi beratur kat mahakamh tuh bangang, kalu tak bagi bible guna nama Allah kat malaysia.. ko pegi beramai2 jumpa PM ko sujud tuh laa bangsat, dia yg pegang kuasa.. ko penyokong dia... kasi cabar kami nak jatuhkan ko kalu benar bukan islam pakai bible ada nama Allah... musti dia akan pinda cepat2 sebab nak pertahan kuasa.

petola

Ah_Kwan posted on 5-3-2014 01:33 PM
keh keh keh

kalau lu bukan mulayu..lebih baik lu duduk liam-liam la itu macam...

jadi ngakulah ya yg ini masalah melayu, bukan masalah Islam?

obelisk

http://www.malaysia-today.net/vi ... roversy-in-context/
http://www.themalaysianinsider.c ... ext-abdullah-ismail

View the Allah controversy in context
Abdullah Ismail, The Malaysian Insider

I refer to Nehali’s article “Brahma instead of Allah?” [The Malaysian Insider, February 17, 2014]. It was in response to my reply in The Star, February 8, 2014, to Dr Patricia A. Martin Martinez’s comment on the Allah issue.

I shall ignore his sarcasm, arrogance and baseless statements and focus on the core issues.

The reason Muslims in Malaysia object to the description of God as Allah in the Bahasa Malaysia version of the Bible and their liturgy is that over 1.2 billion Muslims in every corner of the world use the word to believe in God who is one, unique, and neither begets nor is begotten, which is in direct conflict with the Christian concept of God as Trinity. The Christian belief that Jesus is God in flesh and blood whom God the Father sent to humankind to atone for the sin committed by Adam would be sacrilege to Muslims.

Contrary to what Nehali writes, Muslims do not understand the Trinity as God physically giving birth to a son called Jesus. To them, it does not make sense to believe in one God, at the same time embrace the Trinity, that is, three in one doctrine.

Interestingly, many Bible scholars also share the same view. They have been questioning the doctrine of Trinity which was adopted as dogma only in 325 A.D. by the Nicene Council with a strong dissenting view, and affirmed in 381 A.D. by the Council of Constantinople. According to late Professor Geza Vermes of Oxford University, Jesus of Nazareth never believed, or taught, that he was the second person of a divine trinity. Vermes was a distinguished scholar and translator of the Dead Sea Scrolls. Even the physicist Isaac Newton had a problem with the Trinity doctrine.

Nehali claims that “the consensus among world experts is that Allah is the most appropriate translation for God since time immemorial”. Who are these “world experts” and when was the consensus reached? If his claim is correct, why do the Bibles in Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, Latin, English and Dutch not refer to God as Allah?

In the original Hebrew Bible, God is called “Elohim” and the Son of God “Ben Elohim”. In the original Greek Bible, God is called “Theos” and in the Latin Bible as “Deus”. According to accounts by Munshi Abdullah, the Jakun had used the word “Deus” for God, which was also used in Portuguese churches in rural Malacca. The original Hebrew and Greek Bibles were translated into other languages. So why not use “Elohim”, “Theos” or “Deus,” instead of Allah for God in the Malay Bible since they will have a direct link to the original Bibles?

The argument that ‘Allah’ is used in the Indonesian and Arabic Bibles and that there is no objection to it is irrelevant to the issue of what concept of God the term embodies and the impact it would have if it is freely used in publications, talks and lectures in Malaysia, a multi-religious country. Absence of objection does not mean consent. For a long period the colonised people did not stand up and resist colonial rule. That does not mean they consented to it.

The Indonesians and Arabs may be indifferent and careless about infringements to their religion. Just look at the lack of any effective response from the Muslim world to the aggression, violation of human rights, indignities and abuses committed against Muslims in Palestine, United States, Europe, Afghanistan, and India. Thus, some Muslims’ indifference to the misuse of the term ‘Allah’ for God in the Malay Bible is no justification for permitting it.

Calling God as “Elohim”, or “Theos” or “Deus” instead of Allah in the Malay Bible will not in any way prevent or interfere with the right of Christians to practise their faith. So why are certain Christian groups stubbornly refusing to drop Allah for God in the Malay Bible and use a name closer to the original Bible? Is there a hidden agenda, some Muslims ask?

The Allah controversy is of recent origin. When the Malay Bible with God referred to as Allah was confined to churches and Christian homes in East Malaysia, Muslims were not interested in the issue since it hardly impacted them. But when attempts were made to bring it to West Malaysia, and disseminate widely in the public domain in East Malaysia, Muslim suspicions were aroused.

Almost 25 years ago, Professor Naquib Al-Attas had a meeting with the Archbishop of Kuala Lumpur and representatives of the Christian community, including Ministers. They told him that they, as patriotic citizens, wanted to pray in Bahasa Malaysia and use the word 'Allah' for God.

He advised them not to use it as it does not fit into their idea of God as Trinity. He told them 'Allah' belongs to the language of Muslims all over the world and not to any particular national language. His advice was ignored and Christian books and publications began to use Allah for God of the Bible. Then, Muslim groups objected and the authorities took action to stop it.

Muslim concern about this issue must be viewed in the context of the project of the rich and powerful neo-evangelical movement centred in the United States to evangelise the whole world in preparation for the arrival of Jesus Christ. The well-researched and documented book 'Armies of God' by the scholar Ian Buchanan reveals the strategy and tactics of this project. It exposes the link between the United States Government/leaders, the corporate sector and the neo-evangelist movement and their goal of global hegemony for the church and the US.

Two major churches in Malaysia have strong ties with the Islamophobic Christian-Zionist network known as the International Coalition of Apostles. Also, Sidang Injil Borneo, formerly Borneo Evangelical Mission, was in 1975 absorbed into the Colarado-based Overseas Missionary Fellowship (OMF), whose mission includes evangelisation of Muslims, China and the tribal groups.

Neo-evangelists are not averse to practising deception in their missionary work. On this aspect, Buchanan writes: “The business of converting Muslims has become the fastest growing branch of the evangelical movement … And deception is the essence of the task.”  The Allah controversy has to be seen in this context.

Muslims have no problem with Christian missionary work which has been going on for hundreds of years. We have had very good relations with Christians until recently when aggressive neo-evangelism became active. What we object to is the link between neo-evangelist churches and foreign powers and churches with an agenda for control, domination and hegemony of the world. - February 21, 2014.

* Abdullah Ismail is secretary-general of the Malaysian Consultative Council of Islamic Organisations (MAPIM).

* This is the personal opinion of the writer or publication and does not necessarily represent the views of The Malaysian Insider.

Ah_Kwan

slippergombak posted on 5-3-2014 01:53 PM
wat aper pegi beratur kat mahakamh tuh bangang, kalu tak bagi bible guna nama Allah kat malaysia.. ...

keh keh keh

eh...baik wa sujud sama azmin...
bakal PM malaysia kan?

politaik oh politaik....
keh keh keh

Ah_Kwan

petola posted on 5-3-2014 01:53 PM
jadi ngakulah ya yg ini masalah melayu, bukan masalah Islam?

keh keh keh

lu yang cakap masalah melayu...
kalau lu sudah anggap masalah melayu...kalau lu bukan melayu..duduk la diam2...

keh keh keh

slippergombak

Ah_Kwan posted on 5-3-2014 01:54 PM
keh keh keh

eh...baik wa sujud sama azmin...

slippergombak

keh...keh...keh...

petola

untuk lebih spesifik ini adalah masalah melayu semenanjung... khususnya melayu umno dgn yg sewaktu dgnnya..takut keliru kedian masuk kristian
melayu sabah sarawak atau islam sabah sarawak takda masalah ini
sebab itu gomen kata kat sana ok aje sesapa nak guna Allah.

Modngengade

tinker_bell posted on 5-3-2014 01:51 PM
ko ni tiap2 hari ada mengucap??ada sembahyang??ko ada sebut nama Allah tak tiap2 kali ko mengucap  ...

betul apa yg u tulis....i'm just wondering, dia ni muslim ker tak..kalau muslim  adakah dia ni beramal....

Ah_Kwan

baik lu pigi cepat backup itu azmin...
wa punya MB tamau lepas jawatan maaa...

keh keh keh

Santeira

tinker_bell posted on 5-3-2014 01:51 PM
ko ni tiap2 hari ada mengucap??ada sembahyang??ko ada sebut nama Allah tak tiap2 kali ko mengucap  ...

Sapa yg forummer sampah sebenonya ni. Tak faham apa org cakap tapi sibuk nak mempertahankan Islam la kononnya.

Apa kaitan aku mengucap hari2/sembahyang/sebut nama Allah hari2 dengan topik ni? Aku bagi reasoning kenapa dorang nak guna nama Allah, dorang mmg boleh guna sbb it can be kata nama am, sebutan bahasa Aramaic dgn Arab untuk The God lebih kurang sama. It doesn't mean aku defend dorang? Ada faham?

Arab sunni pun tak bising, ko nak feeling2 relate dengan Arab sebab nabi ko sama bangsa Arab dan guna bahasa arab? Fahaman assabiyyah ke apa ni?

Santeira

Ah_Kwan posted on 5-3-2014 01:51 PM
keh keh keh
bukan tidak selari dengan pandangan....
tapi sangat tidak betul..

Belajar English pun tak lepas, lagi mahu ajar orang pasal bahasa Arab. Paling kuat pun ko boleh provoke org je lah. Maksud hell pun tak tau ka?

petola

kalau betul alasan pengharamannya ialah Islam, sepatutnya gomen takda double standard
ini tidak... kat penerbitan ini ok kat yg itu tak ok
kat sabah sarawak ok kat semenanjung tak ok
kat dalam ok tapi kat luar tak ok...
cammana tu?

jadi tak payah ler cari2 alasan Islam, sebab isunya ialah Melayu bukannya Islam.
cari ajer lah alasan2 yg berkait melayu kan senang... misalnya melayu itu mudah keliru dgn bukti2 sekali.