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Truth.8 posted on 1-4-2013 10:34 PM 
so, who is the spirit of truth??
seems like you're trying to twist again, Truth.8. First, you told me that this thread is not about the Spirit of Truth. Now, you're asking me who's the Spirit of Truth? 
This is the prove that Truth.8 belit macam ular; he told us in post #40 :
we not talking about spirit of truth rather faith which is THE WAY OF LIFE... -Truth.8, post #40
Now, suddenly he asked me about the Spirit of Truth???
Before Truth.8 shows his snake's nature and attack, let me assure everyone that I've mentioned the Spirit of Truth because THE VERSE CONTAINS THE NAME. The point of quoting the verse IS NOT ABOUT THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH AND TRUTH.8 HIMSELF CLAIMED THAT THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH. The point of the verse is to show Truth.8 and the reader that Jesus Christ DID NOT TEACH EVERYTHING THAT HE KNEW (according to the Bible). So, how can Truth.8 claims that :
The Bible is way of life because it stated by Jesus. simple as that. -Truth.8, post #26
How can Jesus said that, when Jesus Christ himself claimed that he did not teach everything that he knew? Plus, Truth.8 told us that Jesus said so in John 14:6. He even quoted :
The New Testament authors emphasize unremittingly that the key to genuine human flourishing is faithin Jesus Christ as the revealed and revealing Word of God, “the Way, the Truth, and the Life” (John 14:6). -Truth.8, post #1
but after checking the verse that Truth.8 quoted, the verse said :
"Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. (John 14:6)." Source : http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john%2014:6&version=NASB
Jesus DID NOT SAY THAT HE'S TEACHING THE WAY OF LIFE. There is the word 'and' between 'way' and 'life'. Simple English shows that this denotes a difference between the three things that Jesus is referring to (the way, the truth, and the life).
Simple logic and simple English shows that Truth.8 have misquoted the Bible and he have yet to show to us prove of his words. John 14:6 cannot be used to support his claim as it is debunked here.
Either Truth.8 show us where did Jesus said that he teaches the way of life, OR APOLOGIZE TO MY CHRISTIAN FRIENDS FOR MISQUOTING THE BIBLE. |
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Truth.8 posted on 1-4-2013 10:33 PM
let us reason....now i ask you simple question:
how sure the quran from god
Truth.8:
let us reason....now i ask you simple question:
how sure the quran from god
how sure the angle appear to muhammad in dark with no light plus he was alone in cave?
was it angel or any form spirit
u mind reason with me now???
Kindly state if you don't agree with with @gunblade712 answer. May I know which part that you don't agree? As you have stated 'u mind reason with me now', please give your reason for not accepting the answer.
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gunblade712 posted on 2-4-2013 12:29 AM
seems like you're trying to twist again, Truth.8. First, you told me that this thread is not about ... seems like you're trying to twist again, Truth.8. First, you told me that this thread is not about the Spirit of Truth. Now, you're asking me who's the Spirit of Truth? 
This is the prove that Truth.8 belit macam ular; he told us in post #40 :
so, can tell me who is the spirit of truth???
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mashimaru83 posted on 2-4-2013 08:12 AM
Kindly state if you don't agree with with @gunblade712 answer. May I know which part that you ...
Kindly state if you don't agree with with @gunblade712 answer. May I know which part that you don't agree? As you have stated 'u mind reason with me now', please give your reason for not accepting the answer.
mind telling me how true is the quran??? in what way? the proof and evidences???
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Truth.8 posted on 2-4-2013 09:00 AM
than why bring the spirit of truth despise i told you that the thread not abt spirit of truth???
... than why bring the spirit of truth despise i told you that the thread not abt spirit of truth???so, can tell me who is the spirit of truth???
because THE VERSE CONTAINS THE WORD "THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH" la idiot. I can't change the Bible's verse. I respect the Bible, bukan macam kau, belit ayat Bible lepas tu ignore bila orang kantoikan.
Why should we talk about the Spirit of Truth? you wanna run away from the main point?
The main point of the verse is that Jesus Christ, in the Bible, DID NOT TEACH EVERYTHING IN THE BIBLE. HE WANTED TO BUT HE CAN'T AND HAVE TO RELY ON THIS 'SPIRIT OF TRUTH'. If you, Truth.8, says that you're following Jesus Christ as a 'way of life', then prove to us that Jesus Christ DID TEACH EVERYTHING ABOUT THE WAY OF LIFE.
Your quote on John 14:6 is proven to be faked, you fabricated it, you twist the Bible's verse to suits your needs. This is highly unacceptable in any religion, in fact, all religion despised such act.
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Truth.8 posted on 2-4-2013 09:02 AM
yes i do not agreed all this agreement....that is my reason....
mind telling me how true is the ...
Truth.8 lari daripada prove yang aku bagi :
Or do they say, "He invented it"? Say, "Then bring ten surahs like it that have been invented and call upon [for assistance] whomever you can besides Allah , if you should be truthful." (Noble Quran; 11:13) http://quran.com/11/13
And if you are in doubt about what We have sent down upon Our Servant [Muhammad], then produce a surah the like thereof and call upon your witnesses other than Allah , if you should be truthful. (Noble Quran; 2:23) http://quran.com/2/23
Or do they say [about the Prophet], "He invented it?" Say, "Then bring forth a surah like it and call upon [for assistance] whomever you can besides Allah , if you should be truthful." (Noble Quran; 10:38) http://quran.com/10/38
If you can't answer the Quran's challenge, then the Quran is from Allah.
Tak payah cakap banyak, jawab challenge yang Quran sendiri cabar especially kat golongan macam kau, Truth.8.
If you can't, then it's proven that the Quran is from The Creator Allah s.w.t, The Ones Who Created Jesus Christ, Moses, Abraham and Muhammad (peace be upon them all).
accept the challenge and the Quran is rebuked. Ran away from the challenge and forever the Quran is proven to be the word of God.
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yes i do not agreed all this agreement....that is my reason.... -Truth.8, post #104
ini bukan reason. kami tanya reason kenapa kau tak agree dengan statement aku dan lari daripada bukti yang memang dah di beri. bukti dah bagi, yang kau mintak banyak kali ni pasal apa? saja nak lari ke apa ni? |
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Truth.8 posted on 2-4-2013 09:02 AM
yes i do not agreed all this agreement....that is my reason....
mind telling me how true is the ...
Truth.8:
yes i do not agreed all this agreement....that is my reason....
mind telling me how true is the quran??? in what way? the proof and evidences???
That is not a complete reason. It's like saying I don't agree with the verse from Al-Quran because I don't agree with it.
The Creator put the evident inside the Al-Quran itself. If you think Prophet Muhammad invented the verses in Al-Quran, then you should find other book that like of the Al-Quran. Give an example of the book if you think you are correct.
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gunblade712 posted on 25-3-2013 04:07 PM
it's agnostic. agnonatic aku tatau apekebende.
untuk penerangan yang simple bagi orang yang ma ...
Your definition of agnostic is damn wrong.........Agnostic is someone who is uncertain of the existence of God or any deity. Not someone who believe in God but reject religion.
So obviously Truth.8 is not a agnostic.
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wkk5159 posted on 2-4-2013 04:22 PM
Your definition of agnostic is damn wrong.........Agnostic is someone who is uncertain of the exis ...
ah ok. thanks for the clarification.
ok Truth.8, kau bukan agnostic... tapi kau jugak bukan Christian. 'Way of life' pun bukan jugak (tiada prove that Jesus said so in the Bible).
sooo, ni golongan apa ni?
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Truth.8 posted on 22-3-2013 01:34 PM
Religion will make world upside down...worst...they themselves will flight and killed...this how rel ...
Totally agree that religion cause all the rifes in the world at the moment.
It's hard to talk sense to muslims or any other ritual observing believers of major faith for that matter. They are lacking life giving spirit (1 Corinthians 15:45) and grace of God.( Ephesians 1:5-12, 2:1-10)
Right from the very first mankinds Adam and Eve to the last Adam, Jesus Christ, it is not God intention to invent religion for mankinds but rather he wants all of us to be like him because we were all made according to his image (Genesis 1:27).
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wkk5159 posted on 2-4-2013 04:46 PM
Totally agree that religion cause all the rifes in the world at the moment.
It's hard to talk s ...
if you see it like that, then it's the interpretation of religion from a person that is at fault, not the religion/faith itself.
The problem with the arguments posed here is that people tend to blame the religion based on the follower's action. Any religion will say that their religion is perfect, while their followers are not. People have their own agenda, and they uses religion to back up their agenda; and then along came people who chose to blame the religion instead of the person itself.
Now, how is that fair?
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wkk5159 posted on 2-4-2013 04:22 PM
Your definition of agnostic is damn wrong.........Agnostic is someone who is uncertain of the exis ...
u must careful with that snake....he will twiste 180 degreed later...just wait and see
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wkk5159 posted on 2-4-2013 04:46 PM
Totally agree that religion cause all the rifes in the world at the moment.
It's hard to talk s ... mankinds but rather he wants all of us to be like him because we were all made according to his image (Genesis 1:27).
very good and nicely explained....
from the birth i was born....until now i hate peoples wearing tatoo, hate eating crab ....when I accept Jesus and Father...I beings to realise that those things were mentioned in Bible that God hate peoples wearing tatoo and forbid eating certain animals include crab...
yesterday in astro a program about GOD.... it talk about GOd and DNA...it mentioned that certain humans has GOD DNA amoung us....thats explained why God says ....HE made image in our likeness...
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mashimaru83 posted on 2-4-2013 12:34 PM
That is not a complete reason. It's like saying I don't agree with the verse from Al-Quran bec ... The Creator put the evident inside the Al-Quran itself. If you think Prophet Muhammad invented the verses in Al-Quran, then you should find other book that like of the Al-Quran. Give an example of the book if you think you are correct.
the quran there is some good and some are bad....even the author sallman rusdie claimed it is satanic verses...why he wrote such? surely he have done his research rite??
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Truth.8 posted on 2-4-2013 09:29 PM
u must careful with that snake....he will twiste 180 degreed later...just wait and see
snake = those who twists the words of their own holy books, just like how you did it, Truth.8. I can show you and the rest of the forumers a clear proof that Truth.8 is the snake that twisted the words from the Bible to suit his own personal needs. very evil and very devilish.
Show me proof that I twist just like you did, Truth.8. If you cannot show prove, it's best if you stop accusing people. 
#3 and #4 still left unanswered by you.
I guess you cannot debunk the fact that your own 'criteria of the way of life' truly befits Islamic's teachings.
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gunblade712 posted on 2-4-2013 10:10 PM
snake = those who twists the words of their own holy books, just like how you did it, Truth.8. I c ...
show lah....if u dare...
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Truth.8 posted on 2-4-2013 10:47 PM
show lah....if u dare...
sure!
Kat link ni ada : http://mforum.cari.com.my/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=702471&extra=&page=4
post #86. In case Truth.8 cuba belit @ cuba lari, meh aku quote kan balik posting tu :
there you are...it stated religion....the Bible from OT until NT...did not mention abt relgion rather stories on Prophets and incidents , spirituality and etc -Truth.8
Atas nama si DIA, yg Maha Pencipta segala alam semesta....baca lah dalam Bible awal hingga akhir....tiada perkataan agama.... -Truth.8
If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless. 27 Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world. - James 1:26-27 (English Standard Version)
If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain. Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world. - James 1:26-27 (King James Version)
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mahu lagi? ada banyak lagi ni. yang dulu2 punya screenshot pun aku ada tapi aku simpan je, takmo bagitau kat orang2 baru. |
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gunblade712 posted on 2-4-2013 05:05 PM
if you see it like that, then it's the interpretation of religion from a person that is at fault, ...
Compare all the faiths with open mind before one finally make up his/her mind in embracing it.
I was once a atheist and i did extensive personal research into comparative religions of the world.
Sadly in Malaysian and even most muslim countries, muslims are shunned from formal contact with other faiths.
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