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[MERGED]-Debmey: SHOW PROOF THAT PROPHET MOHAMMAD IS A PAEDOPHILE?
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Originally posted by Fuzzman at 28-10-2005 11:41 PM
C'mon Heckler show some maturity when you're facing me off one on one. You have given me kintergarten stories for answers. You're not getting off that easy ...
Let me help you out. Let's say we take we take Bukhari's Ayeshah's age narrative of 9 for the promised marriage contract of Aishah to Jubair. So the marriage contract was broken at 9. > Ayesha goes into Habshah at the age of 9. > Returns three years later to Medina at the age of 12. (9+3) > Khaulah matches Ayeshah with the prophet by mentioning Ayeshah as "BIKR". In Arabic, BIKR means a young women. Therefore it concurs with the age of roughly in the region of 12.
12 years old? i've read that somewhere
but a heckler gonna stay a heckler. pagans n 3 headed trinity christians gonna stick to their porno heckling :hmm: |
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Mo had sex with a 9 year old Aisha. Is there any reason to doubt Al Bukhari? Now let me see you lie during fasting.
From Bukhari vol. 7, #65:
"Narrated Aisha that the prophet wrote the marriage contract with her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: "I have been informed that Aisha remained with the prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death).""
Bukhari vol. 7, #88:
"Narrated Urwa: "The prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death)."" |
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denial mode operated
by confused people all the time.
denial mode don't work any more |
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Originally posted by Fuzzman at 28-10-2005 11:41 PM
C'mon Heckler show some maturity when you're facing me off one on one. You have given me kintergarten stories for answers. You're not getting off that easy ...
FuzzyBoy, you are such a joker.
It seems that you just can't accept the fact that your prophet screwed a 9year old kid.. as recorded in the hadiths. So you go and invent teories about Jubair, Bikr and junks.
Open your eyes bozo..
Aisha's engagement to Jubair is not new news to me.. The suggestion by Khaulah to Mo is also an old news. Khaulah suggested Mo to marry either a virgin or a matron. The virgin was Aisha and the matron was Saudah. Mo choses both 
The facts still remains.. Mo had dreams about Aisha before he married her. and Mo had to insist on marring Aisha even when her daddy refused. Mo had to convince daddy to accept his request.
Ali Sina is right about Bikr and you are wrong. Bikr is virgins, those who had not have sexual contact.. hymen intact. Age is not an issue. He speaks arabic. You are trying change the meaning of virgin, as if it is age sentitive.. when it is not.
Since you brought up the pre-arranged engagement of Aisha to Jubair.. I also, want you to realise that bethrothing/ pre-arraging marriages takes place among very young childrens in ancient times. Its a vedic thingy to tie alliance between two families.
According to this websites like this http://www.vnn.org/editorials/ET0001/ET25-5336.html the pagan arabia was much into vedic culture.. even the rituals in the hajj is said to be of vedic rituals. Arabia was rich in Vedic culture before Mo annilated some and assimilated some of the vedic culture into Islam, the 360 idols he destroyed in the Kaba were said to be of Vedic deities.
Jubair engaged to Ayeshah. [you guess the age]: 0~3
> The father of Jubair refuses Ayeshah because she became a Moslem.
> Ayeshah goes into Habshah for 3 years.
> Returns and was matched to the prophet by Khaulah.
> the marriage contract made out.[ what age?]: 6
> married off. [what age?]: 9
whats so difficult about that culculations o' FuzzyBoy? I find it perfectly inaccordance with ancient vedic practice, where a young boy(of five and six years of age) could be betrothed to a girl who is just born.
more reference..
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/3425/page123.htm
http://www.stormloader.com/munaypata/India.htm
http://www.himalayanacademy.com/ ... /lws/lws_ch-23.html
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Ahahahaha looka here! Looks like I just struck me a hornets nest! Like I said, you fcuks aren't gonna get off that easy when I've got my fingers on your jugulars. C'mon guys yer don't have to get all rowdy if the lot of can't answer my very simple question. Just tell me minus the curses, as to what was Ayeshah's age when she had her marriage contract to Jubair ibn Mut'am cancelled? Why the anguish? Can you guys accept the truth? Truth hurts don't it? From here on I'm gonna keep on rubbing it into your sore egos til you guys wished you'd never been hatched into this world.
Ramadhan does strange things to Evangelical and Atheist hypocrites. Debmey is in denial. Dares not answer my questions to him. 13 was kinda mentioning his capabilities that has made him move no where. And Heckler he takes the cake with conflicting statements that hang him up to dry. The cream on the cake. Examplatory and outstanding performances coming from this dick. LOL.
See what Heckler has written and you will fairly see the chaos within him. But I just gotta hand him the trophy for these really fine piece of writings coming from him:-
Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 29-10-2005 09:15 PM It seems that you just can't accept the fact that your prophet screwed a 9year old kid.. as recorded in the hadiths. So you go and invent teories about Jubair, Bikr and junks.
Heckler THINKS that Jubair and Bikr are all "INVENTED THEORIES" and junks??? Well hellloo..now we know why Heckler's having a hard time understanding anything at all? To Heckler Jubair ibn Mut'am and Bikr are Fuzzman's invention! You know what Heckler? You're going down, that's what.
Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 29-10-2005 09:15 PMAli Sina is right about Bikr and you are wrong. Bikr is virgins, those who had not have sexual contact.. hymen intact. Age is not an issue. He speaks arabic. You are trying change the meaning of virgin, as if it is age sentitive.. when it is not.
Ali Sina probably doesn't know the difference between jariyah and Bikr and has problems conveying the differences.Why should he? For all we know this Ali Sinner ain't ex-Moslem but a creation of the enemies of Islam.
Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 29-10-2005 09:15 PMSince you brought up the pre-arranged engagement of Aisha to Jubair.. I also, want you to realise that bethrothing/ pre-arraging marriages takes place among very young childrens in ancient times. Its a vedic thingy to tie alliance between two families.
What are you trying to say Heckler? Which is it? Are you suggesting that it's okay for Jubair to get married to a 3 year old Ayeshah - that is if you hold on to the same age narrative from Bukhari? Or are you saying that its okay for the prophet to get married to a 6 year old Ayeshah in accordance to Hisham ibn Urwa's narrative? Anyways thanks for finally admitting that child brides exist in those times.
Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 29-10-2005 09:15 PMwhats so difficult about that culculations o' FuzzyBoy? I find it perfectly inaccordance with ancient vedic practice, where a young boy(of five and six years of age) could be betrothed to a girl who is just born.
C'mon Heckler we aren't looking for what you think is perfect because you aren't reliable authority. Just a jack of all trades but master of none. Since Bukhari states the age of betrothal of Ayeshah to the prophet as 6, you guys having been holding on to that fact for life. Now if 6 is the betrothal age that is accepted by Arabic standards at that time, therefore we should apply that age for Ayeshah's earlier betrothal to Jubair ibn' Mut'am and not the Jewish tradition of 3.
So Ayeshah must have been betrothed to Jubair at age 6. Abu Bakr tried to get the marriage going when Ayeshah was about 8 to 9. The marriage contract to Jubair was nullified and Ayeshah followed her father into Habshah away from persecution at the age of 8 to 9. They returned 3 years later to Medina when Ayesha was 11 or 12 years old. The prophet had nothing to do with Ayeshah before the run into Habshah, only post-Habshah. Therefore the betrothal to prophet Mohammad must have taken place at the age of 11 or 12 and the marriage when she was 14 or 15. But I personally think that the betrothal was short to allow Ayeshah time to recuperate from her illness because Abu Bakr had given money to the prophet to built the house for the coming marriage. Ayeshah must have got married to the prophet at the age of 12 or 13. She was probably 21 or 22 when the prophet passed on.
So angels, please tell me the age of Ayeshah when she was engaged to Jubair ibn' Mut'am?
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Originally posted by sonny~~ at 29-10-2005 08:42 AM
12 years old? i've read that somewhere
but a heckler gonna stay a heckler. pagans n 3 headed trinity christians gonna stick to their porno heckling :hmm:
Yeah whatever.. you crazy Yahoodii.
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All we know is, Mo had sex with a 9 year old Aisha as recorded in Al Bukhari hadith.
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Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 29-10-2005 11:09 PM
Yeah whatever.. you crazy Yahoodii.
Ahahahaha just because you cannot answer me doesn't mean you need to go pick a fight with Sonny~~, my Unitarian Christian friend out of your frustrations.
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Originally posted by Debmey at 30-10-2005 12:02 AM
All we know is, Mo had sex with a 9 year old Aisha as recorded in Al Bukhari hadith. peace
Awww shucks, Is that all you can say? I was kinda expecting one banger of an answer from yer. Your answer is typical as I would have guessed from memories of the soora 2:23 debacle in which you were defeated too. The smell of defeat is all too sweet when it comes from you.
Do you conceed defeat? To overturn defeat you need to paint me a suggestive picture of Ayeshah's age when she was engaged to Jubair ibn' Mut'am. You should by now procure the help of Ali Sinner by inviting him into this thread. See whether he can give me better proofs then the lot of you. Why not give it a final shot for luck as after all you have nothing else to lose!
ARI FUZZMAN |
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Originally posted by Fuzzman at 29-10-2005 10:51 PM
Heckler THINKS that Jubair and Bikr are all "INVENTED THEORIES" and junks??? Well hellloo..now we know why Heckler's having a hard time understanding anything at all? To Heckler Jubair ibn Mut'am and Bikr are Fuzzman's invention! You know what Heckler? You're going down, that's what...
Come on Gump.. are you so retard. You should know, what i meant was your interpretation of the word Bikr as well as your assumption about Jubairs engagement to little Aisha to boost her age few notch.. You sneaky little rascal..
I'm telling ya that Jubur diidn't marry the Aishwaryai rai when she was 6. okey dokey.. that Jubair couldn't have been engaged to Aisha when she was 6.. .
When Jubair and Aisha was engaged, they followed the practice of Arabian pagan culture, which was Vedic culture.. as was practiced in India.. i already gave links to websites that claims about Vedic influence in arabia quite convincingly. Back then, Islam was still a small cult and Abu Bakar was not a Jew so he don't follow jewish way of arraging marriages.. Abu Bakar followed Vedic ways, so most likely he would have betrothed his daughter (Aisha) to his freind Mutam's son (Jubair) as soon as Aisha was born.
Ali Sina is more honest than you ever will be.. I wil take his words over yours in any given day lah bozo. If he says Bikr means virgin girl without any age limit.. then thats what it is.
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Originally posted by Fuzzman at 30-10-2005 01:18 AM
Ahahahaha just because you cannot answer me doesn't mean you need to go pick a fight with Sonny~~, my Unitarian Christian friend out of your frustrations. ...
He ain't no Christian.. but a Jew hating YahoodiWannaBe.
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Originally posted by Debmey at 29-10-2005 04:16 PM
Mo had sex with a 9 year old Aisha. Is there any reason to doubt Al Bukhari? Now let me see you lie during fasting.
From Bukhari vol. 7, #65:
"Narrated Aisha that the prophet ...
c wot i mean? 3 headed trinity worshipper gonna stick to porno hecklin n spammin till he's blue in the face :cak:
[ Last edited by sonny~~ at 30-10-2005 08:20 AM ] |
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Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 30-10-2005 02:31 AM
He ain't no Christian.. but a Jew hating YahoodiWannaBe.
n u're piggy pagan who pick on mohammad who has done u no wrong :cak:
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Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 30-10-2005 02:27 AM
Come on Gump.. are you so retard. You should know, what i meant was your interpretation of the word Bikr as well as your assumption about Jubairs engagement to little Aisha to bo ...
so what if aisya's age is 9 or 12? i don't c no authority books calling mohammad paedophille? where?
i'm not about to spam this thread with repeated cut n paste. read me cut n paste on paedophille on page 45
rabbis married 3 year old babies n i dont c u squealin paedo at em
priests married 7 year old girls n i dont c u squealin paedo at em
in short u gonna stay piggy pagan heckler till kingdom come thy will be done
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Originally posted by Fuzzman at 30-10-2005 01:18 AM
Ahahahaha just because you cannot answer me doesn't mean you need to go pick a fight with Sonny~~, my Unitarian Christian friend out of your frustrations. ...
way to go FUZZ
give hecklers n spammers a whack in the head  |
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Originally posted by sonny~~ at 30-10-2005 07:11 AM
so what if aisya's age is 9 or 12? i don't c no authority books calling mohammad paedophille? where?
i'm not about to spam this thread with repeated cut n paste. read me cut n paste on paed ...
Yo Yahoodi, tell me the meaning of Al-Insan Al-Kamil.
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Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 30-10-2005 08:03 AM
Yo Yahoodi, tell me the meaning of Al-Insan Al-Kamil.
dunno :hmm: |
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Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 30-10-2005 02:27 AM
Come on Gump.. are you so retard. You should know, what i meant was your interpretation of the word Bikr as well as your assumption about Jubairs engagement to little Aisha to boost her age few notch.. You sneaky little rascal.
Well you sneaky little weasel, remember what you wrote? Here's a reminder.
Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 29-10-2005 09:15 PM It seems that you just can't accept the fact that your prophet screwed a 9year old kid.. as recorded in the hadiths. So you go and invent teories about Jubair, Bikr and junks.
Anyways you and Ali Sinner have probelms putting apart bikr and jariyah. The only digits ever mentioned about marriage ages in narratives come from Bukhari and they mention marriage contracts at 6 and marriage at 9. So without going any other way, we should use these digits, which you dicks fervently used to tag paedo on the prophet, as the best median guide rule. You use Bukhari to hammer home the paedo accusation but change course with Vedic assumptions to paste and approve a 3 year age acceptance for Ayeshah, just as long as it corelates with the age 6 and 9 for Ayeshah's marriage to prophet Mohammad....you sneaky little rascal!
No I don't know anything about your insane interpretation about some cockemeny ideals of yours only known to you. All I know is that Ayeshah was engaged first to Jubair. So try suggesting an age that is acceptable. Forget about 3 years old because there was no Verdic marriage plan suggested or mentioned by any narratives; even Bukhari. Maybe you should go consult Debmey on this cos Debmey seems like a the proper self-professed narrative analyst that could show you the way.Until then stop assuming things you know not of.
Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 29-10-2005 09:15 PMWhen Jubair and Aisha was engaged, they followed the practice of Arabian pagan culture, which was Vedic culture.. as was practiced in India.. i already gave links to websites that claims about Vedic influence in arabia quite convincingly. Back then, Islam was still a small cult and Abu Bakar was not a Jew so he don't follow jewish way of arraging marriages.. Abu Bakar followed Vedic ways, so most likely he would have betrothed his daughter (Aisha) to his freind Mutam's son (Jubair) as soon as Aisha was born.
Sorry you little rascal..if it ain't in Bukhari, we can't consider it. If you go on the way you do, I can do like wise too. Why I can say Adam and Eve got married the Amish way or lived a marriage based on Eskimo love. You should know when to stop talking cock my fren. Too much cock is really very very bad for your back. Anyways Arabic marriage customs require the consent of the girl to be contracted or married of. Can a 3 year old toddler give consent? Would you marry off your daughter at a toddler age of 3? Yucckk how gross?
Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 29-10-2005 09:15 PMAli Sina is more honest than you ever will be.. I wil take his words over yours in any given day lah bozo. If he says Bikr means virgin girl without any age limit.. then thats what it is.
A liar's honesty to an equal liar. It figures. Like I said Ali Sinner probably doesn't understand Arabic and that had lead him to not being able to know the difference between jariyah and bikr. Yeah sure, you keep on trusting his words for only a bozo wil understand another bozo.
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Originally posted by Fuzzman at 31-10-2005 09:23 PM
Well you sneaky little weasel, remember what you wrote? Here's a reminder.
Anyways you and Ali Sinner have probelms putting apart bikr and jariyah. The ...
easy dizzy weasy muzzie.. i already said what i meant by your reference to the Jubair and your crappy understanding of bikr as "virgins are not young girls"
Ali Sina speaks arabic, he says the meaning and usage of bikr is same as the english meaning of virgin.. which is not age sensitive.
.. and what make you think that a jariyah(young girl) cannot also be called as a bikr(virgin)???
Originally posted by Fuzzman at 31-10-2005 09:23 PM
Anyways Arabic marriage customs require the consent of the girl to be contracted or married of. Can a 3 year old toddler give consent?
Thats your assumption.. and thats not what your religion says. Check out the hadiths below..
The Prophet said, "A matron should not be given in marriage except after consulting her; and a virgin should not be given in marriage except after her permission." The people asked, "O Allah's Apostle! How can we know her permission?" He said, "Her silence indicates her permission.".. Sahih Bukhari:V7,B62,N67
So according to the hadith, a 3year child's silence is enough for her to be married off. FuzzyBoy.. your muddy water is getting deeper and deeper.
and.. already told you about vedic influence in pagan arabia.. so bethothal of young boys like Jubair to young girls like Aisha is no big deal.. but a young bikr engaged to an oldman of 50plus seems a bit odd.
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Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 30-10-2005 08:03 AM
Yo Yahoodi, tell me the meaning of Al-Insan Al-Kamil.
so wot does it mean? any idea? ;) |
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Post time 29-10-2005 08:42 AM
