[MERGED]-Debmey: SHOW PROOF THAT PROPHET MOHAMMAD IS A PAEDOPHILE?

FaithHealer3

Originally posted by KENNKID at 1-10-2005 03:03 PM
Well done, Fuzz...he'll be crying an ocean - for insulting and slandering the seal of God's holy prophets

If the moral standard of the "Seal of God's holy prophets" were any good then there will be no way to insult him. But as you know, the "seal of God's holy prophet" had unsealed the hole of a 9year old girl. That makes a big hole on the seal and contaminates the propherthood.

And the "Seal of God's holy prophets" was broken by his descendant Ali-Muhammad.. don't know much a bout Bab's sexual perference.. hope he did not follow his ancestor's foot step.

Fuzzman

By all the dark-eyed virgin maidens - all seventy-two of them or more if you so wish, Heckler, why don't you help out Debmey instead of making comments that don't help. The man's drowning and is that the kind of support you got lined up for him? Man, talk about team sport?

PS- Thanks for the bit Kennkid!

ARI FUZZMAN

Debmey

You do need all the help you can get Fuzzy. There is just no way to deny that Mo was indeed had sex witha 9 year old Aisha.

cheers

Fuzzman

Originally posted by Debmey at 1-10-2005 10:37 PM
You do need all the help you can get Fuzzy. There is just no way to deny that Mo was indeed had sex witha 9 year old Aisha.cheers

Really, by golly then PROVE IT! Ahahaha the ways I see it ,you should be making that statement for yourself and ending up with slapping yourself silly with both of your hands!  Pirate.pete can't make sense in trying to help you out. He only rolled out a I-told-you-so-kinda-flip-flop something only understood by him. Heckler only commented on what Kennkid said. No where did I see Heckler putting out solid support for you?  And as for pathetic you, you still are dwalfed by only passages from Bukhari and nothing more. And to add salt to injury, Bukhari DID NOT say it like you. Bukhari made this equation. MOHAMMAD+AYESHAH=MARRIAGE.

C'mon Debmey where the f**ks is your proof that poofed you?

ARI FUZZMAN

[ Last edited by Fuzzman at 2-10-2005 08:58 AM ]

Fuzzman

What Debmey? Still can't bullpup your proofs? I'm still waiting on you dawg. You're losing out and being outflanked on your mainfront Debmey. There's just no way you gonna walk out of this one a winner. The way you respond is spelling your downfall and there's no solid proofs to back you up any which way you look or try. Do you concede defeat?

ARI FUZZMAN

Debmey

Al Bukhari states it very clearly to all.

Mo had sex with a 9 year old Aisha. Is there any reason to doubt Al Bukhari?


From Bukhari vol. 7, #65:
            "Narrated Aisha that the prophet wrote the marriage contract with her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old.  Hisham said:  "I have been informed that Aisha remained with the prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death).""


Bukhari vol. 7, #88:
            "Narrated Urwa:  "The prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).""

Fuzzman

Yeah yeah, is that all you got on your special menu..or was that in your dessert list? Of course Al Bukhari states it very clearly to all in vol.7,#65 and vol.7,#88 where Bukhari made this equation. MOHAMMAD + AYESHAH = MARRIAGE. I don't see anywhere Bukhari saying anything other than that?  I don't see Bukhari saying anything about my prophet having "SEX" with a nine-year old. Can you show me the part that says Mohammad having "SEX", regardless of illegitimate or not?

Don't worry I like every other Moslem have no qualms accepting the only Iranian-Iraqi joint father-son narratives, although I'm very open to additional Medinian age verification narratives that would definately authenticate the nine year old assumption, as there are many conflicting historical timelines with regards to the age of Ayeshah when the events unfolded, putting to doubt the Iranian-Iraqi nine year old age narratives.

So can you still come up with a Medinan chain of narrators for Ayeshah's age verification?

ARI FUZZMAN

[ Last edited by Fuzzman at 7-10-2005 07:31 PM ]

Debmey

From Bukhari vol. 7, #65:
            "Narrated Aisha that the prophet wrote the marriage contract with her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old.  Hisham said:  "I have been informed that Aisha remained with the prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death).""


Bukhari vol. 7, #88:
            "Narrated Urwa:  "The prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).""

wira_melayu

If we look at today's age of consent under Universal Declaration of Human Rights the recommended age is 16 while some countries 14 or 18 depending on the laws of the land today and if we look back 100 years ago in USA or India the age of consent has been raised from 8 to 12 in India and 10 to 14 in USA,that is only 100 years ago.

for example if you look at France marriageable age today stands at 15 for females with parent consent that same goes to USA within the state laws.Some states in USA(New York,New Hempshire) allows females to married at the age of 13 with parent consent and  some states allow marriage at a still younger age if the female is pregnant.

So why that the fuss about Prophet Muhammad marriage while ages from ten through to thirteen were typically acceptable in the mid 19th century?

So at what age did Mary gave birth to Jesus?according to some Christians source Mary was  preteen when she's pregnant,do we say that the Father consummated her when she's a child?Do we also call the father a pedophile?

Debmey

What rubbish! There was never any consent age of 10 ever in USA.

all societies have moved on to more sensible morality, the sad thing is, hadith is still stuck at 9 years old.

Was Mary preteen when she was pregnant? A bunch of BS from melayu. Jews never marry earlier than 12.

karengkang

what a pity....
stucked and desperate Debmey...
again and again prove his ignorant and dumbness...

Originally posted by sonny~~ at 20-9-2005 10:55 PM
dont c no bukhari or rabbi or bishop who wanna say child marriage is paedophillia  

peace

Bukhari vol. 7, #88:
            "Narrated Urwa:  "The prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).""

Our Rabbis taught: It is related of Justinia17  the daughter of 'Aseverus son of Antonius that she once appeared before Rabbi 'Master', she said to him, 'at what age may a woman marry?'. 'At the age of three years and one day', he told her.

Babylonian Talmud: Tractate Niddah

Currently accepted values are also overtly contrasted to past United States legislation, which was not altered until 1889. The age of consent in most states was as young as ten, with Delaware stipulating a mere age seven. Some laws still in force today show an unusual attempt to control sex lives, with Washington DC prohibiting sex in any position other than missionary

History of Sex and Love

see post # 1025 and 1029...

why don't u try to answer fuzzman's question first ?

1. How much of Bukhari is valid to you?
2. Is Bukhari valid to narrative accounts with regards to Aishah?
3. From whence come the source of Aishah's age narrative from Hisham and Urwa?

p/s: -Debmey and his copy-pasting...duh...i can do better

Debmey

Why don't fuzzman try to answer to these hadiths presented?

Fuzzman

Originally posted by Debmey at 8-10-2005 09:14 PM
Why don't fuzzman try to answer to these hadiths presented?

Since you cannot and damned never will answer karengkang's last request in his post, that will only make you incur the "2:24" wrath of stones and the fury of men, let me cut and paste my last request to you. No need to cut and paste again and again Al-Bukhari's narratives, for we are all very well versed and definitely set in memory by now of those couple of narrative passages - with thanks to you of course!

Here's my brand of cut and pastes for ya. Relish on it.

Don't worry I like every other Moslem have no qualms accepting the only Iranian-Iraqi joint father-son narratives, although I'm very open to additional Medinan age verification narratives that would definately authenticate the nine year old assumption, as there are many conflicting historical timelines with regards to the age of Ayeshah when the events unfolded, putting to doubt the Iranian-Iraqi nine year old age narratives.

So can you still come up with a Medinan chain of narrators for Ayeshah's age verification?

ARI FUZZMAN

[ Last edited by Fuzzman at 8-10-2005 09:32 PM ]

Debmey

Ahahahahahah....... Fuzzman and his frens refuse to ANSWER to Al Bukhari.
Are they really ashamed of Mo having sex witha 6 year old Aisha? Is it really so shameful that they need to deny what he did?

cheers

Fuzzman

Aye to wira_welayu putting up something about the Virgin Mary being impregnated at a very young age. When God chose her in her life accounts, she was in adolescence, probably between late puberty and begining teens, meaning from between age of ten to twelve. How do we know for sure? Well for starters, it was recorded that when she got the news, she was very scared to the point Gabriel had to come sooth her. Normally this fear feature would be present in young adolescence who have yet to come to grips with growing up. If Mary was much more matured, she would not have to be coaxed  in that fashion.

ARI FUZZMAN

Fuzzman

Originally posted by Debmey at 8-10-2005 09:41 PM
Ahahahahahah....... Fuzzman and his frens refuse to ANSWER to Al Bukhari. Are they really ashamed of Mo having sex witha 6 year old Aisha? Is it really so shameful that they need to deny what he did? ...

Ahahaha Debmey cannot answer me. So what have I refused to answer of Al-Bukhari? Like I said repetitively all the time to you that we Moslems have no qualms with an Iranian-Iraqi chain narration of Ayeshah's age although a Medinan chain narrator group would very much lend support to the age factor. Don't you know that the age of marriage consent in Iraq-Iran during the times of Urwa and Hisham was nine? Therefore in all probability, they could have applied the Iraqi-Iranian age consent to Ayeshah. Can you tell me as to why in all there is only the narration of Hisham and Urwa with regards to the marriage age of Ayeshah? What happened to other witness accounts - lest the Medinan ones?

As long as there is no Medinan chain narrators, the age factor is still open to debate as many unfolding historical accounts with regards to Ayeshah have age conflicts in them. I'm sure you are aware of that fact? So ahahahaha that is why you know of that and have nothing more to say other then with cut and pastes from Al-Bukhari. LOL.

ARI FUZZMAN

Debmey

Fuzzy and all his muslim frens have no answer to Mo's behaviors.

Al Bukhari states it very clearly to all.

Mo had sex with a 9 year old Aisha. Is there any reason to doubt Al Bukhari?


From Bukhari vol. 7, #65:
            "Narrated Aisha that the prophet wrote the marriage contract with her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old.  Hisham said:  "I have been informed that Aisha remained with the prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death).""


Bukhari vol. 7, #88:
            "Narrated Urwa:  "The prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).""

Fuzzman

Originally posted by Debmey at 9-10-2005 12:32 AM
Fuzzy and all his muslim frens have no answer to Mo's behaviors. Al Bukhari states it very clearly to all.Mo had sex with a 9 year old Aisha. Is there any reason to doubt Al Bukhari?

Ahahahahahahahaha...where in those narratives did Al-Bukhari say that prophet Mohammad "had sex with a nine year old girl"? Ahahaha..looks like you're milking your cow the wrong way. You milked your cow, so drink the milk of it
Come on Debmey tell us what Bukhari really said. Did he say it like you, bend it like Debmey or did he say that Prophet Mohammad  was married to Ayeshah? Which one Debmey? Which one?

ARI FUZZMAN

Debmey

Al Bukhari states it very clearly to all.

Mo had sex with a 9 year old Aisha. Is there any reason to doubt Al Bukhari?


From Bukhari vol. 7, #65:
            "Narrated Aisha that the prophet wrote the marriage contract with her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years oldr.  Hisham said:  "I have been informed that Aisha remained with the prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death).""


Bukhari vol. 7, #88:
            "Narrated Urwa:  "The prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with  Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old rand she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).""]


I see you have bad english ability and cannot answer

Fuzzman

Takes two to tango dude. Like you I can tango all night long and it won't get me tired noone at all. Know what, why I'm gonna help you milk your cow some more? So what did Bukhari say Debmey? Did Bukhari say Mohamad had "sex with a nine year old" as you make it sound so dirty or did Bukhari say that Mohammad was married to Ayeshah? Which one Debmey? Which one? Ahahahaha.

ARI FUZZMAN

[ Last edited by Fuzzman at 9-10-2005 03:07 AM ]