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[MERGED]-Debmey: SHOW PROOF THAT PROPHET MOHAMMAD IS A PAEDOPHILE?
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By natural laws.
Aisha herself admitted that she had no idea what was coming before Mo had sex with her.
She was still playing with toys.
what rulling authority does islam have? 9 year old?
The end result is, Aisha was destroyed and became barren. She also developed serious psychological disorder.
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Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 6-9-2005 12:10 PM
My qustion was simple.. " Can an adult, be called a pedophilia if he loves a 9 year old girl child and have sex with her?"
Psycho-analysis has given a face to paedophilia and some of the most generalised constant reaccuring symtomatic behavioral patterns found in them are the followings:-
A paedo has many fancies whose habit is not focused on a specific individual but whose appetite is "hunting on a broader spectrum".
A paedo likes "diversity in individuality" and that is why a paedo IS NEVER satisfied with just one.
I'm sure that many do not know that the tsunami that wrecked Phuket actually killed a large number of European paedophilies visiting there in search of Asian street meat.
My question to you Heckler is just these three:-
1. Is MO the paedo you're mentioning?
2. Is the nine year-old you mentioned betrothed or married to the "paedo" mentioned?
3. On whose authority or narrative was Bukhari using with regards to Aishah's age?
Like to hear your take on them. Time to start walking your pen dude!
ARI FUZZMAN |
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How mature can a 9 year old be?
Aisha was destroyed both physically and psychologically. |
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Originally posted by Debmey at 12-9-2005 07:43 PM
How mature can a 9 year old be? Aisha was destroyed both physically and psychologically.
On whose authority or narrative was Bukhari using with regards to Aishah's age? Show me the proof of source on the information of Aishah being "destroyed" physically and psychologically through her marriage with MO? As for Aishah's so-called "barreness", we all know that not all of the prophet's wives bore him seed. This will eradicate the "barreness" issue.
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Bukhari vol. 7, #65:
"Narrated Aisha that the prophet wrote the marriage contract with her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: "I have been informed that Aisha remained with the prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death).""
Bukhari vol. 7, #88:
"Narrated Urwa: "The prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death)."" |
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So Debmey, please clarify on whose authority or narrative was Bukhari using with regards to Aishah's age? Was it his own? Was it that of Hisham? We all know that Bukhari took it upon himself to collect and record anything MO and I'm sure you must also know that he did just that in the final quarter of his life while in Iraq and not Medinah. Iraq and Iran share almost the same age limit for female marriages. And at that time in history the recorded age of females in Iraq was nine. Now if Bukhari was recording ala Medinah, what would be the proper recorded age of female marriages? Why is it that there is no where in the narratives that reported of Aishah making known her age? Can you answer this one?
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You challenge the authenticity of Bukhari narratives? You sure you are a sunni muslim? Ahahahahahaha.......... |
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Originally posted by Debmey at 12-9-2005 09:54 PM
You challenge the authenticity of Bukhari narratives? You sure you are a sunni muslim? Ahahahahahaha..........
No factually it is you that I'm challenging. You get burnt when you play with fire. Remember that simple rule. You quote Bukhari not for Bukhari but as leverage for your bias without knowing what you're getting into. That's definately a joke.
I leave Bukhari for Bukhari but you must stand by your convictions no matter what. So since you ardently quote Bukhari, by all and no means,then show me as to how Bukhari came to knowledge of the age of Aishah? When did this piece of evidence come to him? In Medinah or Iraq? And why is it that there are no other narratives that quote Aishah as making statement of her age anywhere? It is because of this that critics like you take advantage through manipulation. Wanna manipulate? Giving me answers instead of excuses will prove that your manipulation works aight, which for now works against you.
All I can see is that you're not doing justice my prophet, just incalculable gross injustice.
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Originally posted by Fuzzman at 12-9-2005 07:38 PM
Psycho-analysis has given a face to paedophilia and some of the most generalised constant reaccuring symtomatic behavioral patterns found in them are the ...
Come on lah.. A pedo may satisfy his craving with a single victim. No need not have a bunch of kids to satisfy his preversion.
Originally posted by Fuzzman at 12-9-2005 07:38 PM
My question to you Heckler is just these three:-
1. Is MO the paedo you're mentioning?
2. Is the nine year-old you mentioned betrothed or married to the "paedo" mentioned?
3. On whose authority or narrative was Bukhari using with regards to Aishah's age?
Like to hear your take on them. Time to start walking your pen dude!
I asked a general question.. "Can an adult, be called a pedophilia if he loves a 9 year old girl child and have sex with her?"
No body in particular.. you can relate it to anyone you want, be it a priest or monk or imam or aa's daddy.
i was just curious how you people judge a person who love a young girl and have sex with her.
F.y.i
not only Bukhari reported about Aisha's age. the other sahih hadith collectors, Imam Muslim and the Daud fellow also reported Aisah's age as 9 when Muhammad boinked her.
I think you know better who are the sahih hadith transmitter. Isn't it called science of hadiths.. where the isnad is carefully checked and confirmed to be authentic.. some garbage like that lah.
If you don't believe the age of Aisha as reported by the hadith collectors.. then you can migth as well dumb the whole hadiths into the wastebin. If you can't trust Bukhari, Muslim & Daud.. then you can't trust any muslim hadiths.
[ Last edited by FaithHealer3 at 13-9-2005 06:32 AM ] |
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Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 13-9-2005 06:29 AM
Come on lah.. A pedo may satisfy his craving with a single victim. No need not have a bunch of kids to satisfy his preversion.
I asked a general question.. " ...
So did u have any standard for worldwide mature age since Muhammad? Dude |
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Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 13-9-2005 06:29 AM
Come on lah.. A pedo may satisfy his craving with a single victim. No need not have a bunch of kids to satisfy his preversion.
You wouldn't be making this statement if you had bothered looking up the general behavorial patterns of a confirmed paedophile..or maybe you did after all? Not all predators come on fours. Paedophiles do too but they do it on two and lust drives their cunning. It is laughable when you try to be persuasive with the idea that paedophiles are satisfied with just one victim. Your personal evaluation of the "single victim satisfaction guaranteed" will only work if that model freakin paedo of yours was stuck on some Gilligan's island scenario with the only other survivor being a young girl. Great to see how you try wriggling out of a "full blown" submission! LOL
Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 13-9-2005 06:29 AM
I asked a general question.. "Can an adult, be called a pedophilia if he loves a 9 year old girl child and have sex with her?"No body in particular.. you can relate it to anyone you want, be it a priest or monk or imam or aa's daddy.i was just curious how you people judge a person who love a young girl and have sex with her..
Very good then ace! In the least we're moving into some form of a direction here then.
So now again in your so-called "generalised view" of all things to come, can you honorably please requote your general view here by addressing in scrutiny and diligence by attaching a moral social obligative value to the adult as being being either married to or not to the young girl. Please do the needy for this post to move forward quickly forthwith.
Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 13-9-2005 06:29 AM
If you don't believe the age of Aisha as reported by the hadith collectors.. then you can migth as well dumb the whole hadiths into the wastebin. If you can't trust Bukhari, Muslim & Daud.. then you can't trust any muslim hadiths.
I will clearly state my stand here in that I leave Bukhari for Bukhari. It is you and any others who use the hadiths for bias that I openly challenge. Since the likes of you keep on using just small portions of Bukhari, I therefore feel that is only right if you come clean with their usage as well. Why use some hadith when you cannot substantiate your claims by them?
Like the Hadiths, the Gospels are directly the "hadiths" that surround Jesus and his earthly ministry. Something I do not expect you being not of the Books to know of. Gospels and Hadiths may be correct and sustain fluidity of passage but nobody can guarantee 101 percent unproblematic wholesome content. Quran is complimented by Hadiths and Sunnah while the Bible is the Mother Book of hadiths by the apostles. Whatever factional disputes in Islam, Quran remains untouchable while the Bible has degraded to factional belief systems and tribulations as the Bible is not the final say.
In end say, the hadith collectors did not "collectively" state from whence come their source on the age of Aishah. That is why you too cannot do the same and you choose to overturn your allegience to Bukhari by playing a deal that says I do not "trust" them. Clever try but no dice. So can you tell me the source of Bukhari's age revelation of Aishah.
ARI FUZZMAN
[ Last edited by Fuzzman at 13-9-2005 10:49 AM ] |
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The hadiths said Mo had sex with a 9 year old Aisha. What do you call it? I call it paedophilia.
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Originally posted by Debmey at 13-9-2005 11:03 AM
The hadiths said Mo had sex with a 9 year old Aisha. What do you call it? I call it paedophilia.
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pedophile? Dude u even can't produce worldwide standard age since Muhammad. Duh as usual, |
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What is the Islamic standard? 9 years old? Thats the problem. |
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Originally posted by Debmey at 13-9-2005 11:54 AM
What is the Islamic standard? 9 years old? Thats the problem.
Early puberty
Development of signs of sexual maturity that occur well before age eight in girls and age nine in boys. Some children have shown pubertal changes as young as age three or four years. In otherwise normal U.S.-born children, there is generally no identifiable cause in girls, but in about 50% of boys there is an underlying medical problem, such as a hormone-secreting tumor. In adopted children, early puberty is recognized and reported most often in girls, although careful studies indicate that boys are also at risk.
:mll:http://encyclopedia.adoption.com/entry/early-puberty/119/1.html |
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is puberty a good sign of readiness for sex?
Why don't msia have such a law? |
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Originally posted by Debmey at 13-9-2005 01:13 PM
is puberty a good sign of readiness for sex?
Why don't msia have such a law?
You have twisted the whole thing in your quest to run away from thinking with intelligence. |
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Originally posted by Debmey at 13-9-2005 01:13 PM
is puberty a good sign of readiness for sex?
Why don't msia have such a law?
My question is simple ? The awnser of that question will be the awnser to ur question about Malaysia Laws.
Is there any standard world wide mature age since Muhammad?
BTW thanks KK , for ur good post . |
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What about human sacrifice? Was there are world standard allowing human scarifice during Mo's time? |
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Originally posted by Debmey at 13-9-2005 02:04 PM
What about human sacrifice? Was there are world standard allowing human scarifice during Mo's time?
Human sacrific? What r u refering to man slaughter by Christian during crusade war and world war? Dude can u open the new issue in another thread. Duh.
My question is simple ? The awnser of that question will be the awnser to ur question about Malaysia Laws.
Is there any standard world wide mature age since Muhammad?
BTW thanks KK , for ur good post . |
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Post time 12-9-2005 07:36 PM
