[MERGED]-Debmey: SHOW PROOF THAT PROPHET MOHAMMAD IS A PAEDOPHILE?

anti_aktivis

Originally posted by wira_melayu at 6-9-2005 01:51 AM


Depending on the cultural norms,for instance USA only revised the legal age of marriage from 10 to 14 100 years ago and now to 18.So can we say that th ...

Good facts wira. I hope Faith can understand it . Especially

Depending on the cultural norms,for instance USA only revised the legal age of marriage from 10 to 14 100 years ago and now to 18.

So Faithhealer , can u provide us ur so call standard mature age since 5000 years ago.

Debmey

A 9 year old is still a 9 year old and it was despicable for Mo to have sex witha 9 year old no matter what.
And there's no way Muslims can change reality of Mo paedophilia no matter how hard they try.

cheers

anti_aktivis

Originally posted by Debmey at 6-9-2005 11:10 AM
A 9 year old is still a 9 year old and it was despicable for Mo to have sex witha 9 year old no matter what.
And there's no way Muslims can change reality of Mo paedophilia no matter how hard they ...

Dude , u and ur bull****. Can u provide us standard mature age since 5000 years ago?

FaithHealer3

Originally posted by wira_melayu at 6-9-2005 01:51 AM
Depending on the cultural norms..

I didn't ask what the American practiced 100years ago.. or what the Indian practiced. People used to practice a lot of things we don't approve nowadays. My question was does not depend on cultural norms. It depends presentday perspective.

Originally posted by wira_melayu at 6-9-2005 01:51 AM
The Honorable J. Gibbs added his comments to Malabari?s notes saying that, "Young mothers become stunted in growth, and often become invalids for life, while children were too often pony and weak." Kadhavdas added to the list of evils, "Early marriage is a great obstacle in the progress of female education."

Exactly.


My qustion was simple.. " Can an adult, be called a pedophilia if he loves a 9 year old girl child and have sex with her?"

FaithHealer3

Originally posted by anti_aktivis at 6-9-2005 10:23 AM
So Faithhealer , can u provide us ur so call standard mature age since 5000 years ago.

Whats with u and 5000years.. when Mo boinked the 9year old girl it was only abt 1382year ago.

Debmey

Can you?
Did Mo screw 9 year old Aisha 5000 years ago?

For a contorted mind , they would always think such way, even when truths are revealed. The wisdom of marriage by our beloved prophet and his conduct is known by  GOD ALMIGHTY.

Wonders that happened before [the announcement of his prophethood], such as 'Isa's (Jesus) "alaihi 's-salam" talking when he was in a cradle, his being handed dates when he asked for dates from a withered-up tree, and in Muhammad's S.A.W childhood, the cleavage of his chest and his heart being cleansed by washing, there being a cloud over his head continuously and his being greeted by trees and stones were not mujizas, but karamas. They are called irhasat (preparatory signs of a Prophet). They emphasized prophethood

Unlike most common human being  of today,  moreover the mind of those who condemn our beloved prophet are always full of ...... That is why a lot of illegal trades  flourish and one can clearly see who reaps the most profit out of others

Marriage At Puberty Today

The Prophet's contemporaries (both enemies and friends) clearly accepted the Prophet's marriage to `耰shah (May God be pleased with her) without any problem. We see the evidence for this by the lack of criticism against the marriage until modern times. However, a change in culture has caused the change in our times today.

Even today in the 21st century, the age of sexual consent is still quite low in many places. In Japan, people can legally have sex at age 13, and in Spain they can legally have sex at the age of 12 years old. A 40-year-old man having sex with a 14-year-old woman may be a "pedophile" in the United States, but neither in China today, where the age of consent is 14, nor in the United States in the last century. Biology is a much better standard by which to determine these things, not the arbitrariness of human culture. In the U.S. during the last century, the age of consent was 10 years old. California was the first state to change the age of consent to 14, which it did in 1889. After California, other U.S. states joined in and raised the age of consent too.


:pray:http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/Polemics/aishah.htm

Debmey

None are 9 years old.

Were There Any Objections to the Marriage of the Prophet to Aishah?


The answer to this is NO. There are absolutely no records from Muslim, secular, or any other historical sources which even implicitly display anything other than utter joy from all parties involved over this marriage. Nabia Abbott describes the marriage of `耰shah  to the Prophet as follows.

"In no version is there any comment made on the disparity of the ages between Mohammed and Aishah or on the tender age of the bride who, at the most, could not have been over ten years old and who was still much enamoured with her play."


Even the well-known critical Orientalist, W. Montgomery Watt, said the following about the Prophet's moral character:

"From the standpoint of Muhammad's time, then, the allegations of treachery and sensuality cannot be maintained. His contemporaries did not find him morally defective in any way. On the contrary, some of the acts criticized by the modern Westerner show that Muhammad's standards were higher than those of his time.

Aside from the fact that no one was displeased with him or his actions, he was a paramount example of moral character in his society and time. Therefore, to judge the Prophet's morality based on the standards of our society and culture today is not only absurd, but also unfair."

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Debmey

The contemporaries of the Incas also do not object to human sacrifice. Does that make it moral?

anti_aktivis

Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 6-9-2005 12:14 PM


Whats with u and 5000years.. when Mo boinked the 9year old girl it was only abt 1382year ago.

Dude , Can u provide us with us standard mature age since 5000 years ago?

Reason , if u can , we can use it as benchmark for our discussion.

If u can't , thats mean all ur accusation is baseless.

[quote]Let us read again posting by our forumner.
Depending on the cultural norms,for instance USA only revised the legal age of marriage from 10 to 14 100 years ago and now to 18.So can we say that those people in US who married 100 years ago are pedophile and what about those people who married 1000 years ago?

So it was only normal and natural for girls to be married off at ages 9 or 10 or similar.Marriage for young girls was widely practiced among Arabs back then, and even today in many third-world non-Muslim and Muslim countries.

Here some example of ancient marriage in India,it's norm for girls getting married below the age of 8 in those years.

Introduction: The Reform Movement 1860 - 1886

In India during the 1860抯, marriage meant girls getting married below 8 or 9 years old. Socio-reform religious movements such as the Brahmo Samaj and the Arya Samaj pioneered work against child marriage. Late in the 1860抯 some success was met when the Indian Penal Code prohibited intercourse with a wife who had not reached ten years of age.

Nevertheless, it wasn抰 until 1880 that child marriage as a problem became a public issue in India during the debate on the Age of Consent Bill. Towards the end of the debate a child wife of eleven years old, Named Phulmani, died when her husband raped her. More than 500 women doctors sent a memorandum to the Viceroy requesting him to stop marriage of girls below 14 years of age. The resulting bill compromised at 12 years old.

On August 15, 1884 a Parsee reformist, Behramji Malabari, circulated two notes which highlighted the evils of child marriage and enforced widowhood. The Honorable J. Gibbs added his comments to Malabari抯 notes saying that, "Young mothers become stunted in growth, and often become invalids for life, while children were too often pony and weak." Kadhavdas added to the list of evils, "Early marriage is a great obstacle in the progress of female education."

Shortly thereafter, in 1886 the first petition against 慔indu Infant Marriage

Fuzzman

Page 39 and the question at large STILL REMAINS at large, clouded by very very poor responses from people who tried like Heckler, Debbo and people who evaded like Divine PT and Truthy. As for pirate.pete, he just got spooked on his lonesome and  ran straight off the thread! Wonder why? Guess pirate.pete couldn't swallow any more than he could chew.LOL

This was what I've been looking for all along. Let me requote :-

All I was freakin' askin' for was prosecution of the act by legal legit ruling authority.Mo MUST BE PROVEN TO BE a legit paedo by ruling authority.

Remember I'm not out hunting for personal views here, just hard cold legal public persecution. I'm upping the ante here guys. You can even either throw or rope in a legal Vatican edict [if any] that openly persecutes the prophet of Islam as a CONFIRMED CONVICTED paedophile. C'mon guys, pens start walking!

ARI FUZZMAN

Debmey

The laws of the Mayans and Incas allowed human sacrifice, so does that measn it moral? What about abortion? Its legal in Malaysia, so does that means its moral?
Same for Mo, he fancied a 6 year old and he had se with her when she was only 9 year old. Thats immoral to the core.

anti_aktivis

Originally posted by Debmey at 9-9-2005 10:08 PM
The laws of the Mayans and Incas allowed human sacrifice, so does that measn it moral? What about abortion? Its legal in Malaysia, so does that means its moral?
Same for Mo, he fancied a 6 year ol ...

Dude , Can u provide us with us standard mature age since 5000 years ago?

Reason , if u can , we can use it as benchmark for our discussion.

If u can't , thats mean all ur accusation is baseless.


  
Let us read again posting by our forumner.
[quote]Depending on the cultural norms,for instance USA only revised the legal age of marriage from 10 to 14 100 years ago and now to 18.So can we say that those people in US who married 100 years ago are pedophile and what about those people who married 1000 years ago?

So it was only normal and natural for girls to be married off at ages 9 or 10 or similar.Marriage for young girls was widely practiced among Arabs back then, and even today in many third-world non-Muslim and Muslim countries.

Here some example of ancient marriage in India,it's norm for girls getting married below the age of 8 in those years.

Introduction: The Reform Movement 1860 - 1886

In India during the 1860抯, marriage meant girls getting married below 8 or 9 years old. Socio-reform religious movements such as the Brahmo Samaj and the Arya Samaj pioneered work against child marriage. Late in the 1860抯 some success was met when the Indian Penal Code prohibited intercourse with a wife who had not reached ten years of age.

Nevertheless, it wasn抰 until 1880 that child marriage as a problem became a public issue in India during the debate on the Age of Consent Bill. Towards the end of the debate a child wife of eleven years old, Named Phulmani, died when her husband raped her. More than 500 women doctors sent a memorandum to the Viceroy requesting him to stop marriage of girls below 14 years of age. The resulting bill compromised at 12 years old.

On August 15, 1884 a Parsee reformist, Behramji Malabari, circulated two notes which highlighted the evils of child marriage and enforced widowhood. The Honorable J. Gibbs added his comments to Malabari抯 notes saying that, "Young mothers become stunted in growth, and often become invalids for life, while children were too often pony and weak." Kadhavdas added to the list of evils, "Early marriage is a great obstacle in the progress of female education."

Shortly thereafter, in 1886 the first petition against 慔indu Infant Marriage

Debmey

Mo had sex with a 9 year old. Thats paedophilia whether you like it or not.

cheers

anti_aktivis

Originally posted by Debmey at 9-9-2005 11:23 PM
Mo had sex with a 9 year old. Thats paedophilia whether you like it or not.

cheers

Dude , Can u provide us with us standard mature age since 5000 years ago?

Reason , if u can , we can use it as benchmark for our discussion.

If u can't , thats mean all ur accusation is baseless

FaithHealer3

Originally posted by anti_aktivis at 12-9-2005 10:01 AM



Dude , Can u provide us with us standard mature age since 5000 years ago?

Reason , if u can , we can use it as benchmark for our discussion.

If u can't , thats mean all ur accusation  ...

The benchmark for muslims should starts with Muhammad.. not 5000years ago lah.  How come you don't know that?

Are you sure you are a real muslim?

anti_aktivis

Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 12-9-2005 06:24 PM


The benchmark for muslims should starts with Muhammad.. not 5000years ago lah.  How come you don't know that?

Are you sure you are a real muslim?

So did u have any standard for mature age since Muhammad? Dude .

Fuzzman

Originally posted by Debmey at 9-9-2005 11:23 PM
Mo had sex with a 9 year old. Thats paedophilia whether you like it or not. cheers

By whose legal legitimate ruling authority? Yours?  If it was, then it don't mean much because your argument is based purely on your own bias and is not supported by either a Middle-Eastern or Vatican edict, past or present.

If it's justice you're seeking for MO, then for all to see, you've done a very bad job because thus far, it is only injustice that you have served on MO. And that is bottomline observation for you.

The path of your insinuation runs the same gauntlet with those of Heckler and works to none other than hot fart. Try harder ace. I'm sure you'll get there someday. LOL

ARI FUZZMAN