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gunblade712 posted on 19-11-2013 05:48 PM 
eh? eh? apa ni? apa awak cuba sampaikan? "Let us make man in our image" tu refer to penciptaan ...
Are angels male or female?"
Answer: There is no doubt that every reference to angels in Scripture refers to them in the masculine gender. The Greek word for “angel” in the New Testament, angelos, is in the masculine form. In fact, the feminine form of angelos does not exist. There are three genders in grammar—masculine (he, him, his), feminine (she, her, hers), and neuter (it, its). Angels are never referred to in any gender other than masculine. In the many appearances of angels in the Bible, never is an angel referred to as “she” or “it.” Furthermore, when angels did appear, they always appeared dressed as human males (Genesis 18:2, 16; Ezekiel 9:2). No angel ever appeared in Scripture dressed as a female.
The only named angels in the Bible—Michael, Gabriel, Lucifer—had male names and all were referred to in the masculine. Revelation 12:7 – “…Michael and his angels.”; Luke 1:29 – “Mary was greatly troubled at his (Gabriel’s) words.”; Isaiah 14:12 – “Oh, Lucifer, son of the morning.” Other references to angels are always in the masculine gender. In Judges 6:21, the angel held the staff in his hand. Zechariah asked an angel a question and reports that he answered (Zechariah 1:19). The angels in Revelation are all spoken of as “he” and “his” (Revelation 7:1; 10:1, 5; 14:19; 16:2, 4, 17; 19:17; 20:1).
The confusion about genderless angels comes from a misreading of Matthew 22:30, which states that there will be no marriage in heaven because we “will be like the angels in heaven.” The statement that there will be no marriage has led some to believe that angels are “sexless” or genderless because (the thinking goes) the purpose of gender is procreation and, if there is to be no marriage and no procreation, there is no need for gender. But this is a leap that cannot be proven from the text. The fact that there is no marriage does not necessarily mean there is no gender. The many references to angels as males contradict the idea of genderless angels. But we must not confuse gender with sexuality. Clearly, there is no sexual activity in heaven, which we can safely derive from the statement about no marriage. But we can’t make the same leap from “no marriage” to “no gender.”
Gender, then, is not to be understood strictly in terms of sexuality. Rather, the use of the masculine gender pronouns throughout Scripture is more a reference to authority than to sex. God always refers to Himself in the masculine. The blurring of the distinction between male and female can lead to heresies such as “mother/father God” and the Holy Spirit as an “it,” ignoring the references to Him in Scripture (John 14:17; 15:16; 16:8, 13-14). The Holy Spirit is never described as an “it” or an inanimate force. God’s perfect plan for the order and structure of authority, both in the church and the home, imbues men with authority to rule in love and righteousness, just as God rules. It would simply be inappropriate to refer to heavenly beings as anything other than masculine because of the authority God has granted to them to wield His power (2 Kings 19:35), carry His messages (Luke 2:10), and represent Him on earth.
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Truth.8 posted on 19-11-2013 07:33 PM
Are angels male or female?"
Answer: There is no doubt that every reference to angels in Scriptu ...
Thank you for the long answer. This answers only my question number 1. What about number 2 and 3? Allow me to quote back my question :
video tu cakap
1. Malaikat SEMUA LELAKI
2. Malaikat datang kepada MANUSIA PEREMPUAN DAN KEMUDIAN DAPAT ANAK.
3. Anak2 ini adalah 'imighty men' or 'men of reknowned'.
Nah, video tu sendiri cakap mende ni. Macam mana malaikat boleh datang ke perempuan dari golongan manusia kemudian tiba2 ada anak pulak? Video tu salah ke, macam mana? (rujuk minit ke 2:30 onwards kat dalam video yang Truth.8 on post #61)
btw, dalam video tu kata, Lucifer turned away from God because of HIS PRIDE. He have REBELLION IN HIS HEART.
Now, PRIDE TU DATANG DARI MANA? Adakah SEMUA MALAIKAT BOLEH ADA PRIDE?????
1. Malaikat SEMUA LELAKI - is already answered. However, #2 and #3 still requires your attention, plus the other point that Lucifer turned away from God because of 'his pride'. Where does his pride comes from? Bukan dari nafsu? Kenapa dia sorang je ada pride tu?
Dan adakah MALAIKAT ADA PRIDE?
hope you can help us to understand the Bible better. Please use proof from the Bible and/or from you religion, NOT FROM YOUR OWN MIND/BRAIN.
Thanks.
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gunblade712 posted on 19-11-2013 07:39 PM
Thank you for the long answer. This answers only my question number 1. What about number 2 and 3? ... 2 and #3 still requires your attention, plus the other point that Lucifer turned away from God because of 'his pride'. Where does his pride comes from? Bukan dari nafsu? Kenapa dia sorang je ada pride tu?
This I will ignore to answer since you not Bible reading peoples or my faith....such understanding need a good scholar /or pastor to study..
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Truth.8 posted on 19-11-2013 07:11 PM
As far as the Bible concern, it clearly stated light first and than rest...
so what difference does it make whether sun or moon later???
Creation Week: Light on Day 1 but the Sun on Day 4?
Genesis 1:3
tells us, "Then God said, 'Let there be light.'" If all the rest of the initial creation had to occur after this verse, then there would seem to have been nothing to produce this light (i.e., no sun).
Genesis 1:3
tells us, "Then God said, 'Let there be light.'" If all the rest of the initial creation had to occur after this verse, then there would seem to have been nothing to produce this light (i.e., no sun). And we can't argue that the new light source was God, who is light (1 John 1:5), because He eternally existed before the introduction of the light described in verse 3. The account makes more sense when we realize that the earth and sun were both created at an earlier time, and that the earth later became a lifeless, ruined wasteland—its atmosphere choked with debris that prevented light from penetrating to the surface.
It's important to understand that of all the galaxies and planets God created, it is the earth that is the focus of God's greatest creative works, and therefore the events of the six-day account are described from the perspective of the earth itself, specifically from the vantage point of its surface (where all life-forms will be brought into existence). R.K. Harrison's Introduction to the Old Testament says: "In explaining this phenomenon it must first be noted that the standpoint of the first chapter of Genesis is an ideal geocentric one, as though the writer were actually upon the earth at that time and in a position to record the developing phases of created life as he experienced them. From such a standpoint the heavenly bodies would only become visible when the dense cloud-covering of the earth had dispersed to a large extent" (p. 554).
Verse 5 says, "God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day." Note that the cycle of day and night, or evening and morning, requires a rotating earth as well as an atmosphere allowing enough sunlight to come to the surface.
Through the next three days of the account, the process of renewing the earth continues. (It should be pointed out that these are literal, 24-hour days.) God next separates water on the earth's surface from water in the atmosphere, with a breathable expanse of air between the two (the second day). Next God separates the surface waters from land masses and causes flora to spring up from the land (the third day).
Now we come to the fourth day: "Then God said, 'Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night'" (verse 14). On this day the atmosphere is further cleared so that from the observation point of the earth's surface, the sun, moon and stars are now clearly distinguishable in the sky. " Let there be " is not a statement of the initial creation, but a statement of appearance. This passage tells us that these celestial objects were allowed to be visible so that they could serve people as markers of signs, seasons, days and years.
Verse 16 then specifies that "God made two great lights." The Hebrew verb for "made" here ( asah ) could also be translated as"had made," denoting a previous action. Since the earth was already in existence prior to the first creation day, there is no reason to conclude that the celestial bodies were not also already in existence—since verse 1 states that in the beginning, God created both the heavens and the earth. However, the word asah also has the broader meaning of "set" or "appoint." This translation would not necessitate a previous action, for it appears that God set the sky in order on the fourth day and appointed the time keeping role already mentioned.
Now that the atmosphere was fresh and clean, with light and warmth coming to the earth, we next see God putting life on the restored planet—fish, birds, animals and human beings. The last thing God created was the Sabbath rest on the seventh day (Genesis 2:2-3 ).
The pertinent points in red
(1) There was no sun when the earth was created by the biblical God , only light - not sure what light
(2) The biblical God created vegetation first
(3) The biblical God created the Sun or the sun only appeared in the 4th day
Do tell us how could the vegetation survive without the sun? This has been proven wrong via science.
If its literal 24 hrs day , it is again wrong as we know know it takes millions of years in the formation of the universe
By the way , when the biblical God rested in the 7th day , was is the 'Father' or the 'Son' or the 'Holy Spirit' who rested?
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sam1528 posted on 19-11-2013 09:24 PM
The pertinent points in red
(1) There was no sun when the earth was created by the biblical Go ... Do tell us how could the vegetation survive without the sun? This has been proven wrong via science.
If its literal 24 hrs day , it is again wrong as we know know it takes millions of years in the formation of the universe
By the way , when the biblical God rested in the 7th day , was is the 'Father' or the 'Son' or the 'Holy Spirit' who rested?
some of my plant can survie without direct sunlight.....do u know that?? it only need light....do u know some flowers and plants can survie without sun but only light...
Can a Plant Survive without Sunlight?
AnswerYes, plants can survive without sunlight if there is another UV radiation source. Plants grow by reacting water with carbon dioxide (from the air). This reaction is called photosynthesis and can only occur when energy is applied in the form of ultraviolet radiation. An organism that does not require UV radiation for growth is not a plant.
as for the 7th day...we not talking about this issue here....
Genesis 1 and the Days of Creation The creation narrative in Genesis 1 hangs first on the 24-hour day, then on the seven-day week.
The creation narrative in Genesis 1 hangs first on the 24-hour day, then on the seven-day week. (Genesis 1 describes the first six days of creation week; the first few verses of chapter 2 recount the seventh day.)
"And God saw the light that it was good, and God divided the light from darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day" (Genesis 1:4-5
). We see from the account that God established the day-and-night cycle from the beginning. Day and night are functions of the rotation of the earth as it orbits the sun. Clearly the wording of Genesis describes the 24-hour period we are all familiar with. Notice further that God appointed the sun to separate light from darkness and to divide day from night (verse 14).
How long were the days of creation?
Ever since the realization by scientists that the earth's age may be measured in billions of years, well-meaning people have tried to reconcile the biblical account with such scientific findings. Some have theorized that the seven 24-hour creation days were really much longer—possibly epochs lasting thousands or millions of years. To support this idea, some have argued that the Hebrew word for "day," yom, means an unspecified measure of time in Genesis 1.
It is true that yom can mean an indefinite period, such as in the English sentence "That's how things were done in that day." But the context of each of the six days of Genesis 1 makes it clear how long each day of creation actually was. The expression "So the evening and the morning were the first day" in Genesis 1 is repeated for every one of the other five days.
Here we see "evening" equated with nighttime and "morning" equated with daylight, and the two together make up one day. The wording "the evening and the morning" shows this is clearly talking about 24-hour days.
One rotation of the earth on its axis is the unmistakable meaning of day in the creation account. Throughout the history of the Hebrew people, the evening has always signified the beginning of a new day, a specific 24 hours.
However, since that particular expression does not close the account of the seventh day (Genesis 2:1-3
), some have tried to lengthen the creation Sabbath as well. They reason that the seventh day of creation has not yet ended, even after thousands of years. Thus the earlier six days of creation are thought to have lasted for thousands or even millions of years as well. But does Scripture support this view?
We should note from Genesis 1 that fruit-bearing plants were created on the third day but that the insects to pollinate such plants were not created until a few days later. If this means a few thousand or million years later, how did the plants survive without their symbiotic partners?
We need to realize that the Bible interprets the Bible. Notice Genesis 1:14-19
: "Then God said, 'Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day [ yom ] from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days [ yom ] and years . . .' Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day [ yom ], and the lesser light to rule the night . . . and to divide the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. So the evening and the morning were the fourth day [ yom ]." It makes no sense for the meaning of day to change from a 24-hour day or the daylight portion of a day to an indeterminate period lasting millions or billions of years within a few sentences.
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Truth.8 posted on 19-11-2013 11:00 PM
some of my plant can survie without direct sunlight.....do u know that?? it only need light....do u know some flowers and plants can survie without sun but only light...
Can a Plant Survive without Sunlight?
AnswerYes, plants can survive without sunlight if there is another UV radiation source. Plants grow by reacting water with carbon dioxide (from the air). This reaction is called photosynthesis and can only occur when energy is applied in the form of ultraviolet radiation. An organism that does not require UV radiation for growth is not a plant.
as for the 7th day...we not talking about this issue here....
Genesis 1 and the Days of Creation The creation narrative in Genesis 1 hangs first on the 24-hour day, then on the seven-day week.
The creation narrative in Genesis 1 hangs first on the 24-hour day, then on the seven-day week. (Genesis 1 describes the first six days of creation week; the first few verses of chapter 2 recount the seventh day.)
"And God saw the light that it was good, and God divided the light from darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day" (Genesis 1:4-5
). We see from the account that God established the day-and-night cycle from the beginning. Day and night are functions of the rotation of the earth as it orbits the sun. Clearly the wording of Genesis describes the 24-hour period we are all familiar with. Notice further that God appointed the sun to separate light from darkness and to divide day from night (verse 14).
How long were the days of creation?
Ever since the realization by scientists that the earth's age may be measured in billions of years, well-meaning people have tried to reconcile the biblical account with such scientific findings. Some have theorized that the seven 24-hour creation days were really much longer—possibly epochs lasting thousands or millions of years. To support this idea, some have argued that the Hebrew word for "day," yom, means an unspecified measure of time in Genesis 1.
It is true that yom can mean an indefinite period, such as in the English sentence "That's how things were done in that day." But the context of each of the six days of Genesis 1 makes it clear how long each day of creation actually was. The expression "So the evening and the morning were the first day" in Genesis 1 is repeated for every one of the other five days.
Here we see "evening" equated with nighttime and "morning" equated with daylight, and the two together make up one day. The wording "the evening and the morning" shows this is clearly talking about 24-hour days.
One rotation of the earth on its axis is the unmistakable meaning of day in the creation account. Throughout the history of the Hebrew people, the evening has always signified the beginning of a new day, a specific 24 hours.
However, since that particular expression does not close the account of the seventh day (Genesis 2:1-3
), some have tried to lengthen the creation Sabbath as well. They reason that the seventh day of creation has not yet ended, even after thousands of years. Thus the earlier six days of creation are thought to have lasted for thousands or even millions of years as well. But does Scripture support this view?
We should note from Genesis 1 that fruit-bearing plants were created on the third day but that the insects to pollinate such plants were not created until a few days later. If this means a few thousand or million years later, how did the plants survive without their symbiotic partners?
We need to realize that the Bible interprets the Bible. Notice Genesis 1:14-19
: "Then God said, 'Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day [ yom ] from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days [ yom ] and years . . .' Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day [ yom ], and the lesser light to rule the night . . . and to divide the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. So the evening and the morning were the fourth day [ yom ]." It makes no sense for the meaning of day to change from a 24-hour day or the daylight portion of a day to an indeterminate period lasting millions or billions of years within a few sentences.
Aiyoyo tambi , it is really funny to see you twisting and turning your way thru. Fundies like you cannot accept the fact that the bible have been proven wrong by science.
Are you now trying to say that before the sun there was already UV radiation for the created vegetation (in Genesis 1)? If you don't know , the sun is the only natural source of UV light. You are just farting thru your mouth. In other words how can the biblical God created vegetation first then the sun? Tak belajar sains ke?
If you argue that in Genesis 1 , 'day' means 24 hrs , you are in trouble as science has proven that it takes billions of years for the earth / universe to form. If you argue that 'day' means epoch or era , in comes another problem as the biblical God created vegetation first then the sun. The vegetation cannot survive millions of years without the sun. Either way you lose. The bible has big problems here.
You sudah kena lah tambi .....
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Truth.8 posted on 19-11-2013 07:55 PM
This I will ignore to answer since you not Bible reading peoples or my faith....such understand ... This I will ignore to answer since you not Bible reading peoples or my faith....such understanding need a good scholar /or pastor to study..
so, you cannot answer questions which is based on your own statement?
YOu should change the title to "Christians & Truth.8 tiada bukti" sebab kamu tak boleh buktikan pun bahawa Lucifer itu "MALAIKAT YANG MEMPUNYAI SIFAT BONGKAK".
To us, it's just plain simple. "Lucifer" @ "Azazil" @ Iblis before he was cast out, was simply NOT AN ANGEL. THAT IS WHY HE CAN HAVE NAFS IN HIM.
I suggest you go and study about your own religion before you speak about ours. You don't even understand your own holy book!
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sam1528 posted on 20-11-2013 12:18 PM
Aiyoyo tambi , it is really funny to see you twisting and turning your way thru. Fundies like you ...
ayiooo lu sahaja buat bodoh ka?
I have plants in my office...no sun light but light inside my office and water....yet it can survived...when God made light...surly lah plants can live because HIS power...maybe u have no faith...oppss sorry u not my faith so u living faithless way of life...
Morever, it was LIGHT the powerful light in begining comes out from HIM...so, the plants live via HIS light..
Your questions are evidence that the six days of creation in Genesis 1 should not be taken literally. If we insist on an interpretation of scripture that conflicts with well-established facts and just does not make sense, then that shows that the interpretation of scripture is faulty.
As you have pointed out, light was created on the 1st day, but the sun was only created on the 4th day. Therefore the most natural reading of this is that God does not intend us to understand these details as literal.
And plants. There is strong evidence that plants have been growing for a long time. Plants that have seeds, for example, were first formed about 305 million years ago. However even before this modern scientific knowledge it should have been apparent to a careful reader of scripture that in Gen 1 the seed plants were created on the 3rd day, and man on the 6th day, but in Gen 2 the plants are described as first growing after man’s creation. It is only by forcing an unnatural reading that these two records can both be interpreted literally.
It is honouring God’s word to read it as making sense, not nonsense.
Yes, God’s divine light is still present today.
2Co 4:6 For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,” has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
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gunblade712 posted on 20-11-2013 05:50 PM
so, you cannot answer questions which is based on your own statement?
YOu should change th ... To us, it's just plain simple. "Lucifer" @ "Azazil" @ Iblis before he was cast out, was simply NOT AN ANGEL. THAT IS WHY HE CAN HAVE NAFS IN HIM
is not angles as per your faith...but we believed is fallen angles.....
if u think is not angles....be it....
to me no problem...I still believed ...
The end
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Apa nak buat... hidayah bukan manusia yang beri... Allah yang beri... sesiapa yang nak berpegang kepada yang salah maka itu pilihannya... |
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Truth.8 posted on 20-11-2013 06:08 PM
ayiooo lu sahaja buat bodoh ka?
I have plants in my office...no sun light but light inside my office and water....yet it can survived...when God made light...surly lah plants can live because HIS power...maybe u have no faith...oppss sorry u not my faith so u living faithless way of life...
Morever, it was LIGHT the powerful light in begining comes out from HIM...so, the plants live via HIS light..
Your questions are evidence that the six days of creation in Genesis 1 should not be taken literally. If we insist on an interpretation of scripture that conflicts with well-established facts and just does not make sense, then that shows that the interpretation of scripture is faulty.
As you have pointed out, light was created on the 1st day, but the sun was only created on the 4th day. Therefore the most natural reading of this is that God does not intend us to understand these details as literal.
And plants. There is strong evidence that plants have been growing for a long time. Plants that have seeds, for example, were first formed about 305 million years ago. However even before this modern scientific knowledge it should have been apparent to a careful reader of scripture that in Gen 1 the seed plants were created on the 3rd day, and man on the 6th day, but in Gen 2 the plants are described as first growing after man’s creation. It is only by forcing an unnatural reading that these two records can both be interpreted literally.
It is honouring God’s word to read it as making sense, not nonsense.
Yes, God’s divine light is still present today.
2Co 4:6 For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,” has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
You are all over the place now tambi. I stated that the sun is about the only natural source of UV light. You don't seem to understand anything. Now it the light from your biblical God that provided for the vegetation? Now , it all boils down to faith over everything. I would say you don't have faith but you sure have blind faith. Your bible explicitly stated that vegetation came first then the sun which is scientifically wrong. Can a word of God have such glaring mistake? I don't think so.
Now it is not to take gen1 literally? I quote part of your post #85
Here we see "evening" equated with nighttime and "morning" equated with daylight, and the two together make up one day. The wording "the evening and the morning" shows this is clearly talking about 24-hour days.
In post #85 , you appealed to the literal interpretation of gen 1. Now you state that of not to take it literally. Do you know what you are talking about?
I suggest you learn of your own bible first before trying to comment on Islam as you have been caught in all occassions of not knowing your own bible and your comments about Islam stopped dead when we muslims respond and question you.
Do let us know, who rested on the 7th day? The 'father' or the 'son' or the 'holy spirit'?
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Truth.8 posted on 20-11-2013 06:10 PM
is not angles as per your faith...but we believed is fallen angles.....
if u think is not ...
That's what I've been asking you..
You believe that angels can have 'pride' and 'arrogance' in their hearts?
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gunblade712 posted on 20-11-2013 08:29 PM
That's what I've been asking you..
You believe that angels can have 'pride' and 'arrogance' in ....You believe that angels can have 'pride' and 'arrogance' in their hearts?
since when i says angles and heart??
gb....have u taken medicine??? if cannot afford...no hal...kita boleh buat dana derma utk sponsor u perubataan jumpa pakar....jgn malu2...bagitahu kita orang ...nanti saya buat satu topic " derma utk gb utk perubataan'
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sam1528 posted on 20-11-2013 08:06 PM
You are all over the place now tambi. I stated that the sun is about the only natural source of UV ...
if u cannot understand simple things light....do I need to discuss further???
now i know how islam has shape muslims...
Glad I am Bible reading peoples..
Praise the Lord
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Mr Truth.8,
so sad...
kamu tak faham soalan atau kamu tak faham kitab yg kamu imani?
soalan mudah...jawablah secara mudah |
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mickhasevi posted on 20-11-2013 11:44 PM
Mr Truth.8,
so sad...
kamu tak faham soalan atau kamu tak faham kitab yg kamu imani?
tiba2 aja dtg newbie tapi orang sama 
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Truth.8 posted on 20-11-2013 11:52 PM
tiba2 aja dtg newbie tapi orang sama
hehh...
Sangat tidak sama laa boss...
Jgn keliru sebagaimana hang keliru antara iblis dan malaikat..
err...bilanak jawab soklan kawan kita tuhh?
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Truth.8 posted on 20-11-2013 10:34 PM
since when i says angles and heart??
gb....have u taken medicine??? if cannot afford...no hal.. ... since when i says angles and heart??
LOL. So angels don't have hearts? OK, for the sake of the discussion, let's stick with the fact that 'ANGELS DON'T HAVE HEARTS'.
So, WHERE DOES ARROGANCE AND PRIDE COMES FROM? FROM WHERE DOES LUCIFER/CHERUB THE ANGEL OBTAINED IT?
And, are you telling us that ANGELS HAVE THE ABILITY TO OBTAIN ARROGANCE/PRIDE AND HAVE THE ABILITY TO BETRAY THE CREATOR?
gb....have u taken medicine??? if cannot afford...no hal...kita boleh buat dana derma utk sponsor u perubataan jumpa pakar....jgn malu2...bagitahu kita orang ...nanti saya buat satu topic " derma utk gb utk perubataan'
Alhamdulillah, saya tak sakit. Semua orang kat sini boleh nampak betapa warasnya soalan saya. Jawapan kamu, on the other hand, macam orang tak waras je... sampai soalan simple pun kamu tak boleh jawab.
Mari saya quote balik :
video tu cakap
1. Malaikat SEMUA LELAKI -- ini sudah di jawab. Thank you for the answer. harap kau tak pusing2 dgn jawapan kepada soalan ini.
2. Malaikat datang kepada MANUSIA PEREMPUAN DAN KEMUDIAN DAPAT ANAK. - BELUM TERJAWAB OLEH TRUTH.8
3. Anak2 ini adalah 'imighty men' or 'men of reknowned'. - BELUM TERJAWAB OLEH TRUTH.8
Nah, video tu sendiri cakap mende ni. Macam mana malaikat boleh datang ke perempuan dari golongan manusia kemudian tiba2 ada anak pulak? Video tu salah ke, macam mana? (rujuk minit ke 2:30 onwards kat dalam video yang Truth.8 on post #61)
btw, dalam video tu kata, Lucifer turned away from God because of HIS PRIDE. He have REBELLION IN HIS HEART.
Now, PRIDE TU DATANG DARI MANA? Adakah SEMUA MALAIKAT BOLEH ADA PRIDE?????
Harap Truth.8 dapat jawab elok2 berdasarkan Bible. Bukan berdasarkan akal sendiri, takut2 kena gelak sebab jawapan low IQ tak masuk akal. 
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gunblade712 posted on 21-11-2013 02:23 AM
LOL. So angels don't have hearts? OK, for the sake of the discussion, let's stick with the fac ...
so u misleads my thread by writings that angles , heart and pride???
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mickhasevi posted on 20-11-2013 11:44 PM
Mr Truth.8,
so sad...
kamu tak faham soalan atau kamu tak faham kitab yg kamu imani?
u nak soalan ke? cuba google 'faithfreedom' sana ada banyak soalan hingga kau mampus pening
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