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mashimaru83 posted on 30-3-2013 07:20 PM 
He put the Al-Quran verse in the post. I suggest you read it carefully.
You came up with thi ... You came up with this criteria "one need not to depend whether the book comes from god or not but history fact and proof". This is wrong, the criteria must be coming from the God himself through the Book or through the Messenger. Since your criteria is not mentioned by the Book or the Messenger, unfortunately your criteria has to be rejected. Please bring the criteria from the Bible. Show me the verse that contains the criteria.
what crap you talking now? first you ask the way of life, than i proof it...than you ask proof . i provide the history and fact which happened during prophets times with evidences...now you asking criteria.... r u sincerly want to debate ??? even i provide criteria ...next you will different things...
when incident happened during prophets times, it all recorded in Bible . archeology found lot evidences and proof which related to Bible sayings....
Thats what motivate me to accept God of Bible besides Jesus the way of life...Living GOD
Please bring the criteria from the Bible to show that the book is the words of God. Thank you.
Word of God "...man shall not live by bread alone; but man lives by every word that proceeds from the mouth of the LORD" (Deuteronomy 8:3).
God's word is more than a series of books or a codified set of rules. It's a way of life that shapes who we are, what we value, how we live—and what we'll die for. It's a word that drives and sustains us, that provides us with guidance, strength and answers in the face of all life's challenges. It's a word that you need.
[size=+5]Proof the Bible is the Word of GodThe Bible is a miracle! The existence of the Bible is evidenceof the one Who works miracles.
No Contradictions First, the Bible was written by about 40 different humanwriters who lived over a period of about 1500 years (50 generations).Many of these writers had no opportunity to collaborate with eachother and yet, there are no contradictions in their writings!Like no other book, the writers all agreed on such themes as morality(which certainly has changed drastically in a few generationsin our society), child rearing (likewise a changing philosophy),husband and wife relationships (which have been altered in a singlegeneration), the character of God, the way of salvation and thebirth, life, death and resurrection of the Saviour of mankind,in minute details.
Scientifically Correct Hundreds of Years in Advance Second, where the Bible speaks on scientific subjects,it is accurate centuries ahead of its time. For example, in abook entitled "None of These Diseases" by S.I. McMillen,M.D. 1, the doctor cites various hygiene laws God gave to Israel.These were far ahead of the knowledge of the scientific worldof that time. Here are a few examples.
Deut. 23:12-13. Thou shalt have a place also without the camp,whither thou shalt go forth abroad: And thou shalt have a paddleupon thy weapon; and it shall be, when thou wilt ease thyselfabroad, thou shalt dig therewith, and shalt turn back and coverthat which cometh from thee. We may be prone to laugh at something like this in our day. However,in the eighteenth century in Europe, human excrement was castinto the streets of cities in ignorance, giving rise to epidemicsof typhoid, cholera and dysentery.Gen. 17:12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcisedamong you, every man child in your generations, he that is bornin the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which [is]not of thy seed. The command to circumcise Jewish boys on the eighth daywas no accident. The important blood clotting vitamin K2 in bloodis not manufactured in a baby's intestinal tract in normal amountsuntil the 5th to 7th day of their lives. A second element necessaryfor blood clotting is prothrombin 3. The presence of this elementdecreases in an infant for the first 3 days of its life, thensuddenly spurts to a maximum level on the eighth day, afterwhich it settles to its norm for the rest of the child's life.We will cite just one more example. In relatively recent yearsthe medical professions have been warning against the build upof cholesterol in our veins since it may cause clogging and aheart attack. A large source of cholesterol is animal fat. Hearwhat God told Moses centuries ago 4.
Lev 3:17. [It shall be] a perpetual statute for your generationsthroughout all your dwellings, that ye eat neither fatnor blood. Relative to other areas of scientific fact centuries ahead ofscientists, seeIsa 40:22. [It is] he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth,and the inhabitants thereof [are] as grasshoppers; that stretchethout the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tentto dwell in:Eccl 1:7. All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea [is] notfull; unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither theyreturn again.
1Cor 6:18. Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is withoutthe body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth againsthis own body.
Job 26:7. He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, andhangeth the earth upon nothing.
Prophecy A third proof of the miracle of the Bible, and thus proofthere is a God Who is the author of the Bible, is prophecy.
For example, would anyone care to select a large metropolitanarea and predict in advance, and in detail, how that city willbe destroyed? The Bible did, and not with just one city, but many!
City of TyreThe two great cities of Phoenicia were Tyre and Sidon. Ezekielas a captive in Babylon made some very specific predictions aboutthe seacoast metropolis of Tyre. In Ezekiel 26 and 27 the destructionof Tyre was given in detail (592-570BC)
Ezek 26:3. Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I [am] againstthee, O Tyrus, and will cause many nations to come up againstthee, as the sea causeth his waves to come up.Ezek 26:4. And they shall destroy the walls of Tyrus, and breakdown her towers: I will also scrape her dust from her, andmake her like the top of a rock.
Ezek 26:5. It shall be a place for the spreading of netsin the midst of the sea: for I have spoken [it] saith the LordGOD: and it shall become a spoil to the nations.
Ezek 26:7. For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will bring uponTyrus Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, a king of kings,from the north, with horses, and with chariots, and with horsemen,and companies, and much people.
Ezek 26:12. And they shall make a spoil of thy riches, and makea prey of thy merchandise: and they shall break down thy walls,and destroy thy pleasant houses: and they shall lay thy stonesand thy timber and thy dust in the midst of the water.
Ezek 26:14. And I will make thee like the top of a rock: thoushalt be [a place] to spread nets upon; thou shalt be builtno more: for I the LORD have spoken [it] saith the Lord GOD.
Nebuchadnezzar came against Tyre in 585 BC (fulfilling vs 26:7).The siege lasted until 573 BC. When he broke down the gates ofthe city he found most of the population had escaped by ship toa city they had built on an island about a half mile out intothe sea.Sometime after defeating the Persians in a battle in 333BC, AlexanderIII in a southern campaign demolished old Tyre and used the materialsand dirt (fulfilling verse 26:4) to build a causeway to the newcity which had been built out in the water. After a long siege,the island city was destroyed and the materials cast into thesea (fulfilling 26:12).
more : http://www.bibletruths.org/study/proof_bible.php
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Truth.8 posted on 30-3-2013 08:32 PM
what crap you talking now? first you ask the way of life, than i proof it...than you ask proof . ... Truth.8:
what crap you talking now? first you ask the way of life, than i proof it...than you ask proof . i provide the history and fact which happened during prophets times with evidences...now you asking criteria.... r u sincerly want to debate ??? even i provide criteria ...next you will different things...
For your information, you never prove the way of life. As pointed out by @gunblade712 in post #38 (and other post) , you quoted the Bible text wrongly. Why I said history and fact cannot be the criteria? Al-Quran and other books also talked about history and fact, but you didn't pick them for some 'other reasons'. Which means you should use your 'other reasons' as your evident/criteria and not history and fact.
I can notice few things when having discussion with you.
1) It's very hard to get the evident (Bible quotation) from you even though I have asked for it nicely. Yeah, after so many posts!
2) You twisted Bible text. Caught by @gunblade712. (What about your advice on reading the Bible with open heart?)
3) You quoted Islamic teaching wrongly. (What about your advice on reading the Bible with open heart? you should do the same with other books). If you don't want to read other books with open heart, please at least get the information correct.
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mashimaru83 posted on 31-3-2013 09:37 PM
For your information, you never prove the way of life. As pointed out by @gunblade712 in post #3 ... For your information, you never prove the way of life. As pointed out by @gunblade712 in post #38 (and other post) , you quoted the Bible text wrongly. Why I said history and fact cannot be the criteria? Al-Quran and other books also talked about history and fact, but you didn't pick them for some 'other reasons'. Which means you should use your 'other reasons' as your evident/criteria and not history and fact.
Let me ask , how you proof that the quran is actually comes from allah? what you think or sure that muhammad spoke to angel in cave? what criteria or evidence??
now let's us reason shall we??
I can notice few things when having discussion with you.
1) It's very hard to get the evident (Bible quotation) from you even though I have asked for it nicely. Yeah, after so many posts!
2) You twisted Bible text. Caught by @gunblade712. (What about your advice on reading the Bible with open heart?)
3) You quoted Islamic teaching wrongly. (What about your advice on reading the Bible with open heart? you should do the same with other books). If you don't want to read other books with open heart, please at least get the information correct.
I twisted Bibel text? where ? who is gb? Bible scholar? expert in Bible?or is he church going??
let us reason now...
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Truth.8 posted on 31-3-2013 11:58 PM
Let me ask , how you proof that the quran is actually comes from allah? what you think or sure t ... Let me ask , how you proof that the quran is actually comes from allah? what you think or sure that muhammad spoke to angel in cave? what criteria or evidence??
Or do they say, "He invented it"? Say, "Then bring ten surahs like it that have been invented and call upon [for assistance] whomever you can besides Allah , if you should be truthful." (Noble Quran; 11:13) http://quran.com/11/13
And if you are in doubt about what We have sent down upon Our Servant [Muhammad], then produce a surah the like thereof and call upon your witnesses other than Allah , if you should be truthful. (Noble Quran; 2:23) http://quran.com/2/23
Or do they say [about the Prophet], "He invented it?" Say, "Then bring forth a surah like it and call upon [for assistance] whomever you can besides Allah , if you should be truthful." (Noble Quran; 10:38) http://quran.com/10/38
If you can't answer the Quran's challenge, then the Quran is from Allah.
Tak payah cakap banyak, jawab challenge yang Quran sendiri cabar especially kat golongan macam kau, Truth.8.
If you can't, then it's proven that the Quran is from The Creator Allah s.w.t, The Ones Who Created Jesus Christ, Moses, Abraham and Muhammad (peace be upon them all).
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Truth.8 posted on 31-3-2013 11:58 PM
Let me ask , how you proof that the quran is actually comes from allah? what you think or sure t ... I twisted Bibel text? where ? who is gb? Bible scholar? expert in Bible?or is he church going??
The New Testament authors emphasize unremittingly that the key to genuine human flourishing is faithin Jesus Christ as the revealed and revealing Word of God, “the Way, the Truth, and the Life” (John 14:6). -Truth.8, post #1
The Bible is way of life because it stated by Jesus. simple as that. -Truth.8, post #26
"Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. (John 14:6)." Source : http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john%2014:6&version=NASB
Jesus DID NOT SAY THAT HE'S TEACHING THE WAY OF LIFE. There is the word 'and' between 'way' and 'life'. Simple English shows that this denotes a difference between the three things that Jesus is referring to (the way, the truth, and the life).
If Truth.8 claims that Jesus teaches the way of life, then Truth.8 is following AN INCOMPLETE WAY OF LIFE coz Jesus himself, in the Bible, said that he didn't teach everything to the disciples :
“I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.." (John 16:12-13)." Source : http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john%2016:12-14&version=NASB
The Spirit of Truth IS NOT JESUS. The Spirit of Truth will come AFTER JESUS ASCENDED TO THE HEAVENS. This means that Jesus, in the Bible, DID NOT TEACH EVERYTHING TO THE FOLLOWERS. The way of life that Truth.8 claimed to follow (which he still can't prove) is INCOMPLETE.
Now, WHICH PART OF THOSE VERSES DID I TWIST? Forward your prove, or step away from this debate because YOU CAN'T EVEN PROVE THAT JESUS TEACHES THE WAY OF LIFE, YOU CHOSE TO MISQUOTE YOUR OWN BIBLE.
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Since my other topic on Si DIA and agama....was hijacked by satan the devil , I am creating new topic related to the way of life according to my faith.
masih tidak berjawab : SIAPA SATAN THE DEVIL YANG TRUTH.8 REFER KAT POST #1 INI? Kita semua nak tahu sebab nak jauhkan diri dari dia. KENAPA TRUTH.8 TAKUT SANGAT NAK BAGITAU DIA REFER KAT SIAPA?
ADAKAH TRUTH.8 MEMANG BACUL?
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gunblade712 posted on 1-4-2013 06:57 AM
"Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the F ... The Spirit of Truth IS NOT JESUS. The Spirit of Truth will come AFTER JESUS ASCENDED TO THE HEAVENS. This means that Jesus, in the Bible, DID NOT TEACH EVERYTHING TO THE FOLLOWERS. The way of life that Truth.8 claimed to follow (which he still can't prove) is INCOMPLETE.
mind sharing who is the spirit of truth???
me waiting
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gunblade712 posted on 1-4-2013 06:59 AM
masih tidak berjawab : SIAPA SATAN THE DEVIL YANG TRUTH.8 REFER KAT POST #1 INI? Kita semua nak ...
ah chong ini ...tak abis2 nak perang aja....of course lah kamu
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Truth.8 posted on 1-4-2013 01:34 PM
mind sharing who is the spirit of truth???
me waiting
why should I share? This thread is NOT about the Spirit of Truth.
You said so yourself :
we not talking about spirit of truth rather faith which is THE WAY OF LIFE... -Truth.8, post #40
So now suddenly you ask me who is the Spirit of Truth? Why twist? are you showing your snake nature?
Now, you told us all Jesus teaches the way of life. But first, YOU'VE MISQUOTED THE BIBLE TO SUITS YOUR NEED (this is a VERY EVIL ACTION. memang orang yang hati dia hitam penuh dengan iblis sahaja sanggup menipu menggunakan ayat2 kitab suci sendiri)...
and then I've shown to everyone that Jesus himself said he did not teach everything (according to the Bible that you believe). So how come you say you follow Jesus when Jesus himself said he didn't teach everything?
Mind sharing?
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Truth.8 posted on 1-4-2013 01:35 PM
ah chong ini ...tak abis2 nak perang aja....of course lah kamu
oh maknanya kamu cakap aku lah Satan the Devil tu. Baiklah, boleh lah saya report ke moderator.
THanks Truth.8 
p/s : SATAN THE DEVIL = ORANG YANG SANGGUP MEMUTAR BELIT KITAB SUCI SENDIRI UNTUK KEPENTINGAN SENDIRI. ORANG BEGINI SANGAT JIJIK, TARAFNYA LAGI RENDAH DARI ANJING DAN BABI. LAYAK DUDUK BERSAMA SATAN THE DEVIL DI DALAM NERAKA.
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post #3 dan #4 masih tak di jawab oleh Truth.8.
Nampak gayanya si ular sudah lari apabila di palu dengan buluh.  |
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gunblade712 posted on 1-4-2013 03:18 PM
why should I share? This thread is NOT about the Spirit of Truth.
You said so yourself : why should I share? This thread is NOT about the Spirit of Truth.
it was you wrote about spirit of truth and now u belit ...
o ye generation of vipers..it really suit ...
i end my case here because we dealing with dangerous two horn devil here plus pembelit
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gunblade712 posted on 1-4-2013 03:20 PM
oh maknanya kamu cakap aku lah Satan the Devil tu. Baiklah, boleh lah saya report ke moderator.
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aku tak heran lah...kau tetap devil ...syaitan ....bertanduk 2
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Truth.8 posted on 1-4-2013 03:39 PM
it was you wrote about spirit of truth and now u belit ...
o ye generation of vipers..it real ... it was you wrote about spirit of truth and now u belit ...
o ye generation of vipers..it really suit ...
i end my case here because we dealing with dangerous two horn devil here plus pembelit
i wrote it down BECAUSE THE VERSE SAYS SO. I didn't say it, the verse says it. are you rejecting your own verse, Truth.8? I wrote the FULL VERSE, YET I DID NOT MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT DISCUSSING THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH. I was stating that THE VERSE SHOWS THAT JESUS CHIST DIDN'T TEACH EVERYTHING THAT HE KNOWS DURING THAT TIME.
So, you need to prove to us that you're following a full set of 'way of life'.
dah lah MENIPU KITAB SENDIRI, LAGI MAHU ATTACK ORANG. jijik sungguh aku dengan keturunan ular bacul macam kau ni.
Yes, you should crawl back into that snake hole where you belong. jijik aku berinteraksi dengan orang yang membelit kitab suci sendiri macam kau.
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Truth.8 posted on 1-4-2013 03:41 PM
aku tak heran lah...kau tetap devil ...syaitan ....bertanduk 2
memanglah kau tak heran, sebab kau sebenarnya syaitan kat sini. syaitan bertopengkan manusia. konon2 nak preach keamanan, kebaikan, tapi PEMBOHONG PEMBELIT MACAM SYAITAN. aku dah expose keburukan kau, aku expose penipuan kau, aku expose lidah bercabang belit kau tu, sebab tu kau marah aku dan panggil aku macam2..
dahlah menipu tentang isi kandungan kitab sendiri, bacul dan lari bila dah kantoi.
pegi lari, Truth8! apabila datangnya haq, maka kebathilan akan tenggelam. begitu jugalah kau, si bacul yang membawa kebathilan, tenggelamlah kau dengan kebathilan yang kau junjung dan jaja tu!
jijik aku dengna perilaku kau yang sebijik macam syaitan dan ular!
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Truth.8 tak payah cakap banyak. #3 dan #4 menanti jawapan kau. kalau tak boleh jawab, pegi panggil orang2 yang boleh tolong kau jawab.
toksah nak tunjuk sangat sifat ular kau tu dan lari apabila kena palu, ok?
jika #3 dan #4 tidak di jawab, maka terbuktilah Truth.8 membawa keburukan. Truth.8 seorang makhluk jahat yang berniat hendak menghuru-harakan keadaan, melaga2kan orang malah SANGGUP MENIPU ISI KANDUNGAN KITAB DIA SENDIRI..
ntah2, dia tak percaya pun Bible. dia cuma ada di sini untuk melaga2kan pengikut Bible dan pengikut Quran. |
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Truth.8 posted on 31-3-2013 11:58 PM
Let me ask , how you proof that the quran is actually comes from allah? what you think or sure t ...
Truth.8:
Let me ask , how you proof that the quran is actually comes from allah? what you think or sure that muhammad spoke to angel in cave? what criteria or evidence??
now let's us reason shall we??
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mashimaru83 posted on 1-4-2013 08:17 PM
I believe @gunblade712 has answered the question in post #84. If you don't agree, please come wi ... I believe @gunblade712 has answered the question in post #84. If you don't agree, please come with a counter example for the Al-Quran's challenge.
let us reason....now i ask you simple question:
how sure the quran from god
how sure the angle appear to muhammad in dark with no light plus he was alone in cave?
was it angel or any form spirit
u mind reason with me now???
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gunblade712 posted on 1-4-2013 03:55 PM
i wrote it down BECAUSE THE VERSE SAYS SO. I didn't say it, the verse says it. are you rejec ...
so, who is the spirit of truth??
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Truth.8 posted on 1-4-2013 10:33 PM
let us reason....now i ask you simple question:
how sure the quran from god how sure the quran from god
Or do they say, "He invented it"? Say, "Then bring ten surahs like it that have been invented and call upon [for assistance] whomever you can besides Allah , if you should be truthful." (Noble Quran; 11:13) http://quran.com/11/13
And if you are in doubt about what We have sent down upon Our Servant [Muhammad], then produce a surah the like thereof and call upon your witnesses other than Allah , if you should be truthful. (Noble Quran; 2:23) http://quran.com/2/23
Or do they say [about the Prophet], "He invented it?" Say, "Then bring forth a surah like it and call upon [for assistance] whomever you can besides Allah , if you should be truthful." (Noble Quran; 10:38) http://quran.com/10/38
If you can't answer the Quran's challenge, then the Quran is from Allah.
Tak payah cakap banyak, jawab challenge yang Quran sendiri cabar especially kat golongan macam kau, Truth.8.
If you can't, then it's proven that the Quran is from The Creator Allah s.w.t, The Ones Who Created Jesus Christ, Moses, Abraham and Muhammad (peace be upon them all).
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Post time 31-3-2013 09:37 PM
