KONFLIK IRAN -ISRAEL ? BILA PERANG MELETUS? TIMELINE...

windof

mari kita tunggu dan lihat samada tindakan hamas melancarkan roket ke wilayah israel merupakan umpan buat jehud memasuki gaza atau tidak.
kemampuan hamas utk terus melancarkan roket walaupun telah berkurangan secara drastik, 130 pada sabtu dan 20 semalam, lebih kurang sama dengan kebolehan hezbollah pada 2006.
walau apa pun, kos korban jiwa di pihak palestin mmg akan menjadi tinggi, berbaloikah dengan kekalahan jehud dengan sedikit kemampusan tentera mereka berbanding beribu2 penduduk palestin?
selagi tentera arab tidak memiliki kemampuan utk membuat serangan2 penembusan dalam terhadap penduduk2 jehud spt mana yg jehud lakukan terhadap mereka yakni dengan menjatuhkan moral secara membunuh orang awam, pompuan dan kanak2 (pendek kata, jehud bersedia melakukan holocaust, sedangkan arab kelihatan tak mampu berbuat demikian) selagi itulah arab mesti mengelak dari menabur umpan penghapusan diri sendiri. kecuali mereka telah bersedia kali ini....sama2 lah kita tunggu...

[ Last edited by  windof at 29-12-2008 11:51 AM ]

Debmey

Hamas' charter calls for the destruction of Israel and killing of Jews.
In fact, they gain power riding on a ticket of war against Israel.
So how to solve the problem? Change Hamas charter?

nando

Hamas charter is definately change once .........................................Israel is destroyed..

Debmey

Thats why israel has no choice but every right to destroy hamas. We can understand that.

tok_rimau87

Israel is not trying to destroy HAMAS, they just blindly attacked innocence women and children. there is no justification for Israeli's mass air raid. they just want to annihilate Gaza strip and claim the land for the illegal jews settlement.  

The best way to solve this crisis is by disbanding the illegal israel regim and give back the land to the Palestinian people.

[ Last edited by  tok_rimau87 at 29-12-2008 07:15 PM ]

kekbelacan

hamas tu sunnah dan hizbollah tu syiah kan?

ada sesapa bole clarify?

belacan79

Hamas dan Hezbollah adalah daripada kaum syiah. Ketua mereka adalah the korupted mullah-mullah Iran. It is not just abt Palestine anymore. It about power and influence between rival powers in Middle East.  Iran wanting a new Syiah empire from Persian Gulf to Medittereanean sea like in the past before Saladin(yang ader berpendapat sebagai wali allah) restore Sunni kontrol.

PLO- Sunni.

[ Last edited by  belacan79 at 29-12-2008 07:29 PM ]

areguard

Baguz kalau Hamas dapat belajar taktik Hezbollah ketika menentang Israel tahun 2006 lalu..meghoyan jugak askar gay Jehud kena titik dgn Hezbollah tapi peminat2 jubur Jehud pasti akan kata bahawasanya asykar Israel tetap menang sebab dia bakar kampung2 dan sembelih ribu2 org awam....

[ Last edited by  areguard at 29-12-2008 07:57 PM ]

Debmey

Isreal is really doing a good job right now busting those hamas terrorists, they can do better though.

Debmey

The Lessons of Gaza           

In early 2005, the Israeli Knesset passed the Disengagement Plan Implementation Law, which was the legal expression of Ariel Sharon’s desire to give the Palestinians in Gaza precisely that which they wanted and demanded; an end to Israeli occupation. But, true to its Charter, that is not enough for Hamas. For only the destruction of Israel and the creation of a first-time Palestinian state “from the sea to the river” will suffice. What has led to the ongoing and massive Israeli precision airstrikes within Gaza against carefully vetted Hamas targets bares this fact to be as true as the sea is deep.

One week after Hamas announced it would no longer abide by the six-month "lull agreement" between it and Israel, Hamas rocket and mortar barrages against Israeli towns, troops and border crossings wrought upon Gaza the most violent Israeli reprisal ever seen in the Mediterranean strip. Yet, even in its shattering violence, the Israeli response has claimed nearly exclusively Hamas terrorist casualties. The Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs released imagery and other intelligence explaining its target list.

Many of the targets were Hamas police facilities, where terrorists can and do receive official weapons and tactics training under the guise of law enforcement. This is why so many of the targets are listed by the Israeli MFA as terrorist training facilities that also contain detention centers and weapons stores. Dozens of Hamas’ deaths in the strikes were from the bombing of a facility hosting an ongoing graduation ceremony as the wave of attacks began.

Also key among Israeli targets were known Qassam rocket manufacturing and launch sites, often underground. These sites are increasingly strategically placed within civilian neighborhoods, providing Hamas with two useful advantages, in their eyes. First, placing them among civilian housing makes their targeting by Israel less likely, playing upon Israel’s desire to avoid civilian casualties. Second, if Israel does target them, it would then likely afford the Hamas terrorists and media coup with international news organizations which are more often staffed with journalists and editors more sympathetic to the ‘Palestinian cause’ than with Israel, Israelis and Jews – whose own civilian casualties are rarely met with the same anger and impassioned demands for an end to the violence.

In marked contrast, Palestinian Media Watch noted Hamas celebrating attacks on Israelis on Gaza television, where what passes as a Hamas public service announcement showed images of Hamas terrorists firing Qassam rockets, mortars and other assorted weapons at Israel. Within the video collage of Israeli emergency response and casualties, an image of skulls dripping with blood was accompanied by a horrific narration excoriating, “Let them taste violent death.” It concludes with angry exclamations of "Send them to Hell! Tear them to pieces!" and "Send them to Hell, Qassam missile!"

None of this, of course, is noted for context by the greater international media. Instead of revealing Hamas-run television’s propaganda and calls for the indiscriminate murder and “violent death” of Israelis, civilian and military alike, the vast majority of the context provided is that of Israeli blame. The fault is always placed unequivocally at Israel’s feet time and again; from humanitarian disaster within Gaza posited as the result of Israeli blockade to one-sided (and short-sighted) images of destroyed buildings and shattered bodies, rather than Hamas attacks and infiltrations which precipitate such lockdowns and strikes intended to cripple the relentless terrorist beast.

It begs when Paliwood will cart out its own version of Hizballah’s Green Helmet Guy along with more altered and editorially enhanced photo images, whetting the thirst of the world’s fawning media outlets clamoring to do Hamas’ bidding in their information war that follows such actions. The need for governments, such as Israel’s and its Ministry of Foreign Affairs has, to be prepared and get ahead of this information communications curve and blunt the InfoWar and propaganda efforts is wholly imperative in an age of instant global personal communications.

As the 2006 Summer War in Lebanon with Hizballah demonstrated, it is possible to begin with a general majority of world support behind you in justified defensive reaction to an attack yet conclude it with such support significantly eroded.

Much of this had to do with the nearly exclusive use of aerial bombardments in the war with Hizballah, providing for day in and day out ‘Green Helmet Guy’ coverage of destruction and rescue operations as well as the clever attempts at enhancing photos with added smoke and staged victim extractions. With a terrorist enemy enmeshed within the societies they dominate, sustained bombardment of infrastructure – no matter its physical gains and debilitating impact on the enemy – have short shelf lives within the context of maintaining support for assertive defensive reactions. There is no enemy discernable to the average news consumer, each of which contributes to a real or perceived public consensus. All buildings look like potential homes or businesses. Rarely are victims in any uniform or bearing any distinguishing characteristics, and thus all are potentially perceived as civilians.

As precise as Israel’s bombardment was in 2006, and as precise and intelligence-vetted its raids have been in Gaza over the past several days, they remain ‘big booms’ that, if left as the only measure, could serve Israel poorly in its greater efforts to defeat – or marginalize – Hamas. Without the face-to-face precision of ground troops engaging firing combatant enemy terrorists in short order, two things will occur; Israel will squander what general public support or belief in its justification that it currently has, and it will leave largely in place the human resources that make Hamas what it is, that can rebuild its infrastructure, that can re-arm even stronger – as Hizballah has – to attack its civilians another day.

As of this writing, a ground incursion into Gaza to combat the terrorists has not yet commenced, though IDF forces have been assembling en-masse along its border. The days ahead will tell much of whether or not Israel has learned this important lesson from its 2006 Summer War with Hizballah. With Israel extremely sensitive to casualties due to its limited population and many seemingly limitless enemies, a hesitation to wade headlong into an eyeball-to-eyeball fight with its terrorist enemies is understandable. Its ground operations are thus chosen and planned with even more care and diligence than just about any other nation. One seems imminent in the Gaza Strip, even as the UN’s Secretary General Ban Ki-moon calls for an immediate end to the fighting and other world leaders do the same.

Regardless, two things are certain. First, much of the world’s political leadership would rather leave Hamas to grow and continue to attack Israeli civilians deliberately than see Israel decisively defeat them in the terrorists’ chosen form negotiation: Violence. Second, that if Israel heeds the already (and predictably) mounting calls to back off and ‘show restraint,’ then Hamas will only grow stronger, will continue to attack with little rebuke, and those states which feed Hamas its lifeline will continue to so long as they attack Israel and stay where they are.

After all, the Palestinian anti-Israeli cause is the darling of many Middle Eastern regimes who enjoy the convenience of proxy. But as for the Palestinian people, historically nomads migrating from clime to clime? Give them a state, these regimes say with their enduring actions, but they can’t come here.

And in 2005, Ariel Sharon gave them the seed bed for that state, withdrawing all Israelis - soldiers and settlers – from the whole of Gaza. We are witnessing what the Palestinian people, through the election of a terrorist organization into governance, have done with that seed bed, plowing it asunder and poisoning the soil. Proof positive that Democracy, in and of itself, is not ‘the answer.’ Nor is land.

As the Sharon Disengagement Plan was being debated, then-Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom said in March 2005, “We recognize that the effort to resolve our conflict with the Palestinians can have a positive impact on a broad range of other issues of international concern, and we are committed to this task. We are prepared to take risks for peace.” We are witnessing the fruition of that risk, a sign not of a failure of Israel or Ariel Sharon, but of the Palestinians themselves, dominated by the violence of Hamas, inviting more violence in return that it can generate itself.

Handing over Gaza was a gamble. Sharon knew it was. But he also knew it was necessary to allow the Palestinians room to succeed or fail of their own accord. They were returned Gaza without strings and they had free, open and democratic elections. They collectively chose the Hamas terrorist group. And Hamas chose destruction over development. Today, all Gazans - those who chose Hamas and those who did not - are reaping the whirlwind.

Americans like to say that, in a democracy, elections have consequences. Nowhere is this more evident and true than in the Gaza Strip.

tempur

Sudah tiba masanya negara islam menubuhkan tentera bersama negara islam seperti Tentera NATO. Kalau PBB tidak mahu membantu mengawal palestin tugas ini diberikan kepada tentera 2 islam...Islam perlu bertegas dalam menjaga kedaulatan palestine. Sama samalh kita berdoa agar dibukakan hati para pemimpin islam untuk turt sama membantu dari segi insfraktruktur dan material dan bukannya dengan asyik mengutuk sahaja tindakan israel. Takde berubahnya....Negara 2 islam juga perlu mewujudkan satu kaedah bagi membangunkan senjata berteknologi tinggi secara bersama dan membantu antara satu sama lain dalam memperkukuhkan ekonomi,.

Debmey

The real solution is to destroy Hamas and its anti social ideology. then there will be peace for Palestinians.

lordvoldemort

come on hizbollah and Iran take a revenged

nando

wa rasa tentera Islam perlu start dari timur tengah. kalau "mereka" pun tak dapat bersatu dlm seribu satu hal, macam mana negara dari SEA dapat bantu? Tak payah pergi jauh-jauh, tengok reaksi setiap negara selepas 1st & 2nd air raid. rakyat bantah tapi signals yg berbeza dari kerajaan.

nando

It is easy to pinpoint Hamas fault on this. But don't forget, once Hamas secure the victory in 2006 election, Israel is the 1st one start to blockage gaza strip till now. u and i leave in a safe country but palestin people hv to go "hardship" in their daily life. All this hardship hv only lead to hatred/resentment  towards Isreal. Now, if Israel choose not to blockage and co-operate with the legitimate govt, do u think today air raid is necessary? in fact, hamas go weaker and destry if Isreal choose this path.

It is true Isreal allows un-condition withdraw from gaza strip, but in reality , "they are the one who control "everything" in Gaza trip and have made frequent trip over there whenever they think "approriate" . Remember the tank just meters away fr yasset arafat office? Or they immediately help back the tax monies for gaza tgovt staff resulted the president go for begging?

If u want Hamas to change it charter, Isreal should prepare the same by removing hamas as terriorist.

HangPC2

Korang ada baca novel Karya Faizal Tehrani....

Debmey

Originally posted by nando at 30-12-2008 01:43 PM
It is easy to pinpoint Hamas fault on this. But don't forget, once Hamas secure the victory in 2006 election, Israel is the 1st one start to blockage gaza strip till now. u and i leave in a safe country but palestin people hv to go "hardship" in their daily life. All this hardship hv only lead to hatred/resentment  towards Isreal. Now, if Israel choose not to blockage and co-operate with the legitimate govt, do u think today air raid is necessary? in fact, hamas go weaker and destry if Isreal choose this path.

Israel won't blockade Gaza if Hamas had not attacked Israel in the forst place. You seem to have your timeline of events conveniently forgotten.

It is true Isreal allows un-condition withdraw from gaza strip, but in reality , "they are the one who control "everything" in Gaza trip and have made frequent trip over there whenever they think "approriate" . Remember the tank just meters away fr yasset arafat office? Or they immediately help back the tax monies for gaza tgovt staff resulted the president go for begging?

If u want Hamas to change it charter, Isreal should prepare the same by removing hamas as terriorist.

only Hamas can remove itself as a terrorists because it is a terrorist group.

windof

tak yah layan jehud2 termasuk jehud dari bawah tuh....banzai je....

nando

If Hamas being view as terriost group in present time, what do think / call " there was a group of Jews made its "landings" in palestin sometime after 2nd world war. This group of people being hailed as Hero in Isreal but "terrrioist" in arab world using present terms?

That aside, Hamas if continues fire rockets to Isreal if it did not win the legitimate election, then yes. they are the terriost group. BUT they are now a legitimate govt try to run a "country" yet being blockade by its neigbour. Made no mistake about it.

areguard

Pencacai dan penjilat jubur Jehud di pulau sijangkang tu tetap takkan mengalah dan menyokong negara toxiz Jehud tu..memang sejak dulu bangsa Yahudi ni mana2 negara dia duduk mesti buat onar dan niaya org lain..sebab tu kena laknat dengan Allah s.w.t