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by i212
see... now you learning the best way to produce sound.
We are talking about MUSIC, stupid, not sound.
To have deep understanding on music ==> He learn and can be teach.
Talent => yup.. naturally. (thats what i call basic program)
Passion for music => i have passion on programming.
Who gives crap what you have. ;)
And where this so-called basic program comes from? Your parents? How do explain this so-called "basic program" if your parents don't have the skill or interest in that particular field?
Yup.. he produce it using instrument that used before.
And he produce something new which doesn't exist before.
In Programming ==> we have someone who mastered the method and teach others.
In Martial Art ==> we have someone who mastered specific or several martial art and teach others.
In writing ==> we have someone who mastered the way of beautifull writing and teach others.
Those who have mastered something and teach others will then be overshadowed by the pupil to extend that a new master is born. So did the old master really mastered anything? No, he have reached his limitation and calls himself a Master due to his ego.
If people follow reincarnation..
The old master will continue learning as the pupil in the future to become a new master in the future and the learning process continues. In the end, there is NO MASTER or PUPIL, just the learning process.
How can i throw the thing about sin adn merit as you sad people reincarnated as other living thing depends on what they do in their past live. Did a sinners reincarnated to become animal or something else?
Your actions determines your reincarnation, not your sin or merits alone. Muslims (and Christians) believe that praying is a great merit generator so if they are to reincarnate, surely they will become a great being like Dewas. But in reality, their prayers means nothing when they do not live a proper life. So you can pray all you want, it is your life in this one which will determine your life in the next.
Do you ever hear about R&D?
Research and Development?
Lets say what the author of the Hadith say true,
Then why not?....
Its reward man... reward for the Good Deeds and Pray.
I as a muslim and do all good deeds not for that reward.
Maybe you did.
And what if the Hadith is false? Or a misinterpretation like what so many Muslims claim. You ready to go to Hell? :cak:
Muslims are daydreamers. They dream of heaven and 72 virgins the same way drug addicts dreams of nonsense in a drug-induced state. Both are dreams which you cannot differentiate between Reality and Falseness.
Bacteria don't die, stupid. One-cells organisms DO NOT DIE. They split themselves into a new single cell organism and it goes on and one.
Sure or not. any article?
Go and ask any Microbiologists, Biology teacher or anyone on the Internet. It's basic knowledge that single-cell organisms don't die.
and non-living organism reincarnated from what?
Born, not reincarnate. They are born from the Planet itself.
by Sentaja
LOL, LOL, LOL, thanks for the joke, man. i really had a good laugh. for everyone sake, ill put the actual one below.
If this World ends, we go to another World and continue our circle of Life in a new form. If one Solar System end, there are others. If one Galaxy ends, there will be others. Hell, even if one Universe ends, there are other Universes as stated by ME, Sephiroth. BELIEVE ME, IT'S THE TRUTH.COM
Foolish people who believe in False will always laugh at Truth. ;) |
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I want to ask something,does concept of reincarnation exist in buddhism?
someone told me that only rebirth exist in buddhism?not reincarnation? |
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similar but that similar too |
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Atomic_Omnikid
The reincarnation idea is ito believe in a soul or a being, separate from the body. At the death of the physical body, this soul is said to move into another state and then enter a womb to be born again.
Rebirth is different and can be explained in this way. Take away the notion of a soul or a being living inside the body; take away all ideas of self existing either inside or outside the body. Also take away notions of past, present and future; in fact take away all notions of time. Now, without reference to time and self, there can be no before or after, no beginning or ending, no birth or death, no coming or going. Yet there is life! Rebirth is the experience of life in the moment, without birth, without death; it is the experience of life which is neither eternal nor subject to annihilation.
there are NO reincarnation in buddhism..........
reincarnation is a fiction thing from rebirth..........
only rebirth........
rebirth is your physical body that is bering reborn...NOT SOUL....
It applies to all people........
even muslims and chirstians.....
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you are being burried in coffin after you are dead.....
your body rots, maggots consume your body, it become fly, frog eats the fly; the frog eaten by fish, human eat the fish etc..............
your flesh is a product of around you.....
your mum can give you flesh during pregnancy because she eats. she eat from wat?? food.. fish.... vegetable.. vegetable gets the food from?$hit.. animal $hit?
animal eat vegetable and meat and produce $#........
you injured your hand.. you eat chicken to heal it.. the piece of meat you get..... if from chicken before that is rice before that??
this is rebirth!!!!! its the physical that is being recycle again and again and and again again.............
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Does it apply to you as well? correct me if its not...........
Dont misunderstood from the Tv where the soul goes into the womb of a pregnant woman......... No....
Actually, I do not blame some of muslims and crhistians who refuse to believe rebirth....
As they already set their mind to go to heaven after they died..
talk about past life and next life.........
It is your physical body.........
Do you know the flesh you have now.... your bone.. is from where?
yes.... from your mum... your mum get the flesh and food from?
next life... when you die... your body decompose as explained above.....
If you have done good deeds.... your body will recycled into something good....
the cycle depends on karma.....
Karma is simply cause and effect.....
You did a good deeds..... say.......
You set free a bird.....
the bird was eaten by eagle....
eagle eaten by hungry tiger.......
etc.......
the effect will come back to you........
If its good deeds.. then you will receive good luck or good deeds; and vice versa
You can try.......
try and go to soma aquarium shop... But few longkang fishes...
say your Quran prayer before you release the fish into the pond or lake...
do this for a month...... once a week...
You`ll see changes in your life....
some good and bad effects was from your previous body and carried to next.....
remember...... it is your PHYSICAL BODY. NOT SOUL......... REBIRTH
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Reply #85 wei_loon5063's post
Hmmm...no offence to Uncle Barney50 and Seph, but Wei Loon's explaination is more logical and easy to understand.
However, please continue with the debate...it's really intresting... |
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i want to add something about the concept of sentient beings.
AFAIK sentient beings are composed of 5 aggregates of existence. Bacteriae, virus and algae , plants are not sentient.
just for discussion sake, have you guys ever encountered a situation where you think it had happened before.. or when you look at some patterns or some views, you become so transfixed with it - as if it has all happened before in the past?
or you met up with someone whom you have never met, but yet you think you have seen that person some place, somewhere... or you meet up with someone where you completely dislike him even if he has done nothing wrong to you?
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rurouni_khairul
errmm.......... Buddhism is really hard to understand la.....
It is not like Islam.. where you refer to Quran and everything is solved....
Buddhism can give you a ridiculous sutra that mean nothing at all if you do not think very very deep.......
somehow... I read lot of books and webs and the original Buddhism do not mention soul......
But mind.... consciousness.......
it is different from soul....
Have you ever wonder who you are??
somehow.... your flesh you have now... it has memories and like past life... when you know who you are and can see and think beyond that, you can see where your flesh, bone come from.......
self and no self........beside rebirth/ reincarnation.... everything in bddhism is parallel with islam....
http://www.buddhanet.net/nutshell09.htm
read this link... think deep of who you are deep inside....
ruroini..... let me ask you..... some said buddhism is BS as it say human life is suffering....... you might say Allah is compassioante creater.....
But still we human suffer... from sickness, old, depression, sadness, despair, frustration, anger, sorrow..... etc......
we cant run from suffer.. because we simply desire.... all the feelings are relative to each other
say you are a lawyer... You want to win a court case... you do not want to think of failure as it is pessimistic but it do not mean it wont happen as we do not know wat tomorrow brings. and you do no want to think of failure you will anger those who say you`ll fail... and IF you fail you will feel sorrow.... and you tell yorself if do not want to feel sorrow again and you want to WIN..... again... you repeat the cycle... this is human suffering.... |
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barney50
This Buddhist doctrine of rebirth should be distinguished from the theory of reincarnation which implies the transmigration of a soul and its invariable material rebirth. Buddhism denies the existence of an unchanging or eternal soul created by a God or emanating from a Divine Essence (Paramatma).
more on
http://www.buddhanet.net/nutshell09.htm
rebirth and reincarantion in buddhism and hinduism is different.....
and many westerner often think it is soul soul soul and soul!!!! |
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Reply #88 tickmeoff's post
the west call it deja vu........
for those who do not know.......... |
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Originally posted by wei_loon5063 at 7-5-2007 04:03 PM
This Buddhist doctrine of rebirth should be distinguished from the theory of reincarnation which implies the transmigration of a soul and its invariable material rebirth. Buddhism denies the exis ...
The idea is similar. The hindus believe in reunification with God. (correct me if wrong)
Buddhism - no soul, no intermediatary state, only karma
Hinduism - there is a permanent soul that resides from one body to other.
but they are similar  in the concept. |
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Reply #89 wei_loon5063's post
I didn't say Buddhism is easy...only your explaination are easy for a mere laymen like me to understand... |
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there are few levels of buddhism teachings, starting with morality as the basis for higher attainment.
There are also metaphysical aspects that explained function of thoughts, to its arising and diminishing, to the cause of arising of thoughts ,karma .
It also has meditation instructions to train the mind to see reality, etc.
it's simple if we just examine the morality basis but it becomes a bit complex when we deal with the mind/thoughts.etc |
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Reply #93 rurouni_khairul's post
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buddhism to you its like social law to me...... |
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Originally posted by rurouni_khairul at 7-5-2007 02:44 PM
Hmmm...no offence to Uncle Barney50 and Seph, but Wei Loon's explaination is more logical and easy to understand.
However, please continue with the debate...it's really intresting...
In what way does explaination on Rebirth - that people going to die and become worm food, vanishing forever make sense?
Rebirth KILLS Buddhism. If ultimate end for humans are as worm food, then they don't have to chase after Nirwana or being humane to each other. They can become like animals and live like animals because in the end, they will die and become worm food. |
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Sesat lagi menyesatkan..............;)
Ayah Pinisme.... |
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Reply #96 Sephiroth's post
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rebirht in buddhism and reincarnation in hinduism is different..... bear in mind |
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Sephiroth
In what way does explaination on Rebirth - that people going to die and become worm food, vanishing forever make sense?
Rebirth KILLS Buddhism. If ultimate end for humans are as worm food, then they don't have to chase after Nirwana or being humane to each other. They can become like animals and live like animals because in the end, they will die and become worm food
can you debate properly??
when forever???
become animal food and we will rise again as human as the food is being eaten by human and the "I" used to be had become the "I" now..........
get it??? |
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Originally posted by wei_loon5063 at 8-5-2007 01:53 PM
can you debate properly??
when forever???
become animal food and we will rise again as human as the food is being eaten by human and the "I" used to be had become the &q ...
IF there is NO direct or indirect connection between the past "I" and the new "I", then what use of Rebirth?
You can die today, your body get recycled tomorrow and maybe in a 100 years from now, someone eating the vegetable grows up. If there is no direct relationship between you and this future person, then there is no use of Rebirth, is there?
In Hindusm, it is stated that there is a connection between the person in present and the person who will be born in the future. Your karma will determine your existence. Rebirth however stated that there is no connection.
My question remains - what use of you being nice today when there is no future birth for you in the future? Matter a fact, someone else going to be born in the future, and that someone is not you. You will die and vanish forever. |
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