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Truth.8

Originally posted by sekolah at 30-5-2006 10:48 PM

Ok there is missconception here. Muslim did not worship idols.We facing Kaabah and worship Allah.  We dont even have idols in our Masjid. But i think there are Jesus's statue in every church right? what is that for? ...

yes, i know u do not pray to idols but indirectly bowing to an object. what u called it?

I do not worshipped Jesus in idols. My faith do not worshipped idols.

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 30-5-2006 07:24 PM


if this topic is deleted, than ur life will be short.

hehehe...  

My suggestion is we rather not entertain  anymore of stale threads. Lets just let it be in the archive, only craps shall dig and dig for his blurred visions can't distinguish anything at all except to relate everything to myths..

Truth.8

Originally posted by Iman_6 at 31-5-2006 09:17 AM
only craps shall dig and dig for his blurred visions can't distinguish anything at all except ...

craps?? did not u muslims supported menj when he posted faked verses and yet u accused me lying?

now menj is missing for his guilt after exposed his lie.

so, how thic topic be craps??? why so many view like:
lantern
crawling
walking
table to keep perfume
and etc behind the mystery room.

anti_aktivis

Stupid thread ever I have seen. Ki ki

BTW Truth , when u will provide us ur address? Why hesitate to share with us ur add? Mistery? Ki ki ki .

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 31-5-2006 02:41 PM



craps?? did not u muslims supported menj when he posted faked verses and yet u accused me lying?

now menj is missing for his guilt after exposed his lie.

so, how thic topic be craps???  ...

you like doing like this:

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 30-5-2006 11:26 PM



yes, i know u do not pray to idols but indirectly bowing to an object. what u called it?

I do not worshipped Jesus in idols. My faith do not worshipped idols.

OK let me explain about our SOlat. SOlat is an act of a humble slave to the God Almighty. A real slave will respect and Sujud to his God. We have been taught to act like what we did is SOlat since 1400 yrs ago. Same act and reading for 1400 yrs and all parts of the world. Can you imagine how we can sustain that? So since you think Jesus is God, how did his followers pray to Jesus at that time? or they didnt even know he's a god?

Truth.8

Originally posted by sekolah at 31-5-2006 06:23 PM


OK let me explain about our SOlat. SOlat is an act of a humble slave to the God Almighty. A real slave will respect and Sujud to his God. We have been taught to act like what we did is SOlat si ...

u mean those solat when most of muslims do not understand when praying???
The Bible made it clear not pray in vain repeating verses & longer.

Truth.8

Originally posted by anti_aktivis at 31-5-2006 02:47 PM
Stupid thread ever I have seen. Ki ki

BTW Truth , when u will provide us ur address? Why hesitate to share with us ur add? Mistery? Ki ki ki .

stupid thread to u but best thread to me to expose the mystery room behind the kaba

Truth.8

Originally posted by Iman_6 at 31-5-2006 04:39 PM



you like doing like this:

so u comparing animlas and me?:geram::stp:

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 31-5-2006 07:52 PM


u mean those solat when most of muslims do not understand when praying???
The Bible made it clear not pray in vain repeating verses & longer.

Do all christians understand why they have to pray? Pray when what? when u only need GOd? not obligations? not compulsory? herm ok.. What do u mean by most Muslim do not understand when praying? I do understand whatever i said in pray. I dont know how the Jesus's companion pray to him. Maybe by singing along toghether and praise him? Is that a pray? I dont think u need to pray cause priests can clear all your sins.. what more do u want to enter heaven? collect more points?

Truth.8

Originally posted by sekolah at 31-5-2006 08:17 PM

Do all christians understand why they have to pray? Pray when what? when u only need GOd? not obligations? not compulsory? herm ok.. What do u mean by most Muslim do not understand when praying? I do understand whatever i said in pray. I dont know how the Jesus's companion pray to him. Maybe by singing along toghether and praise him? Is that a pray? I dont think u need to pray cause priests can clear all your sins.. what more do u want to enter heaven? collect more points? ...

we Christians pray daily. In Bible Christ taugh us how to pray with understanding not with strange language.

In islam u muslims need to pray with strange language until muslims do not understand even reading the koran.

In islam u do this and that....gots rewards. seems like u muslims doing it for rewards than sincere.

Oh daily? seriesly? I've lived with christians americans and all i can say.. they have party daily.. not prayer. Singing in church is only on Sunday. Did christ told you how to pray?  PLease prove your claim.

Arabic is not a strange language. You dont learn it, you will never know it. Its better to keep Islam in one single language so that it will not be contaminated by other languages like what had happened to Bible. How many christians know the original text of Bible? How many christians knows that pork is prohibited?

Sincerity is part of Islam. We believe we have to do it sincerely so that our pray will be accepted by Allah. Rewards that have been mentioned in Al-Quran is the motivation for Muslim to strive more for Islam.  What about christians? I heard building church is a business in America today.

herbivor

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 16-11-2003 11:37 AM


Oh really. Then open to public , why must be so secret.




That is Islamic law which created by Muhammad. No wonder the Jews and Christians, The People of the Book rejected him.

We do ...

what's the point of you entering the Ka'abah when you are not even a believer? What's the point of you ever entering the place when u are so cynical and to a certain extent so disrespectful of another person's religion? geez. get a life.

herbivor

Originally posted by sekolah at 31-5-2006 11:15 PM
Oh daily? seriesly? I've lived with christians americans and all i can say.. they have party daily.. not prayer. Singing in church is only on Sunday. Did christ told you how to pray?  PLease prove  ...

and you ... please no not just you but everyone else here. dont make assumptions about any religion by what or how the so-called believers are doing. agama ajar benda baik. manusia yang tak faham tentang ajaran2 itu yang buat dajal.

ekmal_sorrow

Originally posted by sekolah at 30-5-2006 10:48 PM




Ok there is missconception here. Muslim did not worship idols.We facing Kaabah and worship Allah.  We dont even have idols in our Masjid. But i think there are Jesus's statue in every churc ...

Yes...thats true,
hajratul aswad stone is a sacred artifact that should be protected in the house of kaabah,
these wonders are just only a waypoint for us to worship Allah by perform solat
(by facing our prayer direction to kaabah)
but deep within our soul....we recite our holy solat words and worship Allah.

Truth-8 (hindus christian-wannabe)
there's no point of evidence that we worship the stone as an idol during our solat prayer,
as u know muslim can perform solat anywhere
(as long the ground surface is not clean enough without any kind of filth or dirt)
that means....if i perfom solat in Malaysia,
how come u assume we worship the stone since that sacred artifact was millions miles away?

Truth.8

Originally posted by herbivor at 12-10-2006 05:37 PM




and you ... please no not just you but everyone else here. dont make assumptions about any religion by what or how the so-called believers are doing. agama ajar benda baik. manusia yang tak ...

thanks for brining this topic up. good education for muhammad followers during month ramaddan

Truth.8

Originally posted by ekmal_sorrow at 12-10-2006 07:36 PM


Yes...thats true,
hajratul aswad stone is a sacred artifact that should be protected in the house of kaabah,
these wonders are just only a waypoint for us to worship Allah by perform solat
...

Within the Kaaba, in pre-Moslem days, were several idols representing gods.  One was called Allah...three others were Allah's daughters, al-Uzza, al-Lat, and Manah.  We may judge the antiquity of this Arab pantheon from the mention of A1-il Lat (AI-Lat) by Herodotus [fifth century B.C. Greek historian] as a major Arabian deity . The Quraish [Muhammad's tribe controlling Mecca] paved the way for monotheism by worshiping Allah as chief god; He was presented to the Meccans as the Lord of their soil, to Whom they must pay a tithe of their crops and the first-born of their herds. The Quraish, as alleged descendants of Abraham and Ishmael, appointed the priests and guardians of the shrine and managed its revenues (Will Durant, "The Story of Civilization," IV: 160-61).



            The Kaaba still stands, without its idols, but with the Black Stone.  The pilgrimage to the Kaaba, to...kiss the sacred stone, to run between Safa and Marwa, and to climb Mount Arafa, was practiced by pious pagan Arabs for centuries before Muhammad.  Why did your prophet keep, as part of Islam, these pagan rituals? Untill now muslims no idea why they have to do such ritual when such ritual NEVER practised by our earlier prophets before muhammad.


            You say "Islam is the religion of Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus..."  Do you think Adam, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, et al. journeyed to the idol temple, the Kaaba, and kissed its Black Stone?  Impossible!  Not one follower of the God of the Bible would ever have gone near the Kaaba, because the God of the Bible forbids any association with idols; and you admit (as history tells us) that the Kaaba was filled with idols before Muhammad destroyed them all.  In history and the Bible, you will find no mention of Islam or any religion like it.  How could you have Islam without the Koran and Muhammad?




            The only people who journeyed to the Kaaba and kissed the Black Stone were pagan Arabs who worshiped one or more of the idols within and around it.  Muhammad started a new religion called Islam to which Arabs, Persians, Egyptians, Turks and everyone else in the region had to convert at the point of the ......  They became Muslims, and there is no way you can say that Islam was the original religion of that or any other region.

That's the reason why Jews, Nasrani and Christians totally reject Islam and Muhamamd because it not part our faith.

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[ Last edited by  Truth.8 at 12-10-2006 11:17 PM ]

ekmal_sorrow

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 12-10-2006 11:10 PM



Within the Kaaba, in pre-Moslem days, were several idols representing gods.  One was called Allah...three others were Allah's daughters, al-Uzza, al-Lat, and Manah.  We may judge the antiquit ...

i guess u still didn't understand the meaning of wahyu religion,
the previous belief before the last wahyu bestow by Gabriel upon Muhammad...which is Islam,
true....there's no one mentioning about Islam during the daa'wah of these Wahyu religion
from any of these prophets: Adam, Moses, David, Solomon, Joseph, Loth, Abraham, Ishmael....
but there so many stories and legends heard by the Christ, Nasran, Jews
about the last prophet...and it heard during the era of above prophet dat i mention earlier
a man who sent by god to aid and to guide the entire humankind and worship ALmighty Allah,
which is our beloved truly Muhammad SAW.

You say "Islam is the religion of Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus...

i think the BEST word u have to substitute here is "WAHYU RELIGION"
-Nasrani
-Yahudi

I think people who are too dim like u wont understand dis WAHYU RELIGION terms.
All u know is just googling about Islam teachings and use them as your ideas and media for bullshiting here
Copy and paste.....how easy eh?

but dont get me wrong....Christian which u worship and belief now are NOT wahyu religion.
u christian doofus just collecting the remaining pieces and artifact of Injil,
and publishing them in corrupted version.....<-- is dis your proof that christian is agama wahyu? NO !
also proclaim dat al-Maseh was a Son of God <-- what are lame coz dis made u think "God able to get pregnent"

about the stone...
the first VERY ORIGINAL Kaabah has no idol or whatsoever...
Abraham and Ishmael build kaabah as the center
and the mark of Wahyu Religion as to worship Allah,*
(and within the structure lies the Hajratul Aswad...a sacred stone fo those who believe in Allah)
but some mushrekeen deny the existence of Almighty Illahi....and
continuing to follow their original Grandparents belief.... worshiping Idol
yess...they (Quraisy) built 3 idol near the Kaabah AFTER Abraham and Ishmael wafat.
(but the idol WAST NOT THE DAUGHTER OF ALLAH !!
and please DO NOT RELATE THESE IDOL WITH THE BLACK SACRED STONE!)
and yet thats another made up stories by the west...!
What a lame ....

So u see....at least Abraham and Ishmael did build the Kaabah as the very step *
how the pagan (hajj) ritual originated,

dari sini......sejak wahyu pertama diturunkan di Gua Hira
kemudian penyebaran agama islam..
diikuti peristiwa Hijrah.....
menyusul pula penawanan semula kota mekah
dan sehinnga Islam mencapai kegemilangan empayar sehingga ke Spanyol,
setiap amalan dan perbuatan dalam haji ini berkembang,
(dan setiap cara2 mengerjakan haji ada cerita disebaliknye...
ia berkaitan dengan kisah2 Nabi Muhammad, para ulama, anbiya dan rasul terdahulunya)

seperti amalan membukukan Al-Quran,
para anbiya dan ulama ketika itu menghimpunkn amalan2 haji ini sebagai satu ibadat
dan kini ia nya menjadi rukun ke 5 bg para muslim
(kami wajib mempercayai dan andainya termampu...kami wajib tunaikan)

org kristian kata kami wat haji mcm kerja bodo sbb pusing2 tawaf kaabah
pastu baling2 batu kt jamrah konon kami cam budak kecik
(tp itu la kami wat utk elak dr setan. patutnye kristian pn kene rejam camtu jugak! )
tp apapn korang kata...still,
ibadah haji tu la yg kami buat utk mengenang apa itu islam,
mendekatkan diri dengan Tuhan,
dan menghayati perjuangan Rasulullah dn nabi2 terdahulunya....


pagan ritual are one unique ritual which only exist in Islam.......
but not in previous Agama Wahyu..

so u christian doofus dont have to ask why the previous agama wahyu worshipper never perform pagan,
it is because its only meant for Islam only....

even u kafeer cant touch bumi tanah haram or else.....!

Truth.8

Originally posted by ekmal_sorrow at 13-10-2006 01:37 AM


i guess u still didn't understand the meaning of wahyu religion,
the previous belief before the last wahyu bestow by Gabriel upon Muhammad...which is Islam,
true....there's no one mentioning  ...

if u says that Abraham build that Kaba , why many Prophets after Abraham never observed like what is muslims doing now? Ask yourself, why Joseph, Jonah, David, Solomon & Jesus never observed this ritual. Never in Bible mentioned anything about this pilgrimage.

the only conclusion we can make is , arab pagan made that area as commodity trade to ask peoples performs this pagan ritual.

when muhammad went to preach islam, they refused accept islam....so muhammad just allowed them to keep that ritual and to make bulk of money from hajj performing.

none of the ritual or paying pilgrimage is not part of earlier prophets . all this man made ritual not from true God.

So, how am i going trust muhamamd is seal of all prophets??