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[MERGED]-Debmey: SHOW PROOF THAT PROPHET MOHAMMAD IS A PAEDOPHILE?
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Originally posted by Baiduri Othman at 2005-6-13 06:49 AM:
I just want Faithhealer to produce a hadith that it's a sunnah that Muslim men wed underage children.
I think you don't know what sunnah means. If you did then you will not be asking me this ..."WHERE'S THE HADITH"
Try your best and explain to me the meaning of Sunnah.. then i will show you the hadiths.
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Originally posted by wira_melayu at 2005-6-13 04:00 AM:
So what you think the ideal age to get married?
Not at the onset of puberty or during puberty but anytime after puberty. Satisfied?
Originally posted by wira_melayu at 2005-6-13 04:00 AM:
3 pages and yet nobody can poves that its illegal.  lol:lol
The been proven since page one.. :nana:
You may continue to bury your head in the sand. 
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Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 14-6-2005 02:49 AM:
Not at the onset of puberty or during puberty but anytime after puberty. Satisfied?
lol:lol
The been proven since page one.. :nana:
You may continue to bury your head i ...
I dont see you provide any hard facts for your allegations,firstly theres no evidence and secondly their marriage is proven to be legal.Marriage for young girls was widely practiced among Arabs back then, and even today in many third-world non-Muslim and Muslim countries.
Are you trying to deny those cultural norms back then?You can choose to deny and stay ignorant about those norms if you want to but you yet to proves that those marriage were invalid!:lol |
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Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 2005-6-14 01:25 AM:
I think you don't know what sunnah means. If you did then you will not be asking me this ..."WHERE'S THE HADITH"
Try your best and explain to me the meaning of Sunna ...
Well, it's you who mentioned that it's a sunnah for Muslim men to wed underage children b'coz the Prophet did once marry to a 9-yr-old Siti Aisyah. Since it's a Sunnah according to you, show us the hadith!!! |
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Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 2005-6-13 03:02 AM:
The 3 year gap between angaement and consummation is due to sickness. Aisha fall sick.. her hair dropped. When it grew back up to her earlope, Muhammad deflowered her.
I thoug ...
The Prophet deflowered her???????? What do you mean the Prophet deflowered her??????????
BTW, why do people in those days need to record Aisyah's menstrual period or Aisyah reached her puberty? Isn't normal for young girls having period at 9, 10, 11 yrs old? |
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There is no point for Kafirs to do personal attacks on Prophet Muhammad with intention to discredit Islam since their effort will not degrade Al Quran at all... Islam stays intact. They cannot challenge Al Quran, so they tried 'cheap shots' and low blows like Tyson did 3 days ago... What a shame. |
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Originally posted by wira_melayu at 2005-6-14 03:07 AM:
I dont see you provide any hard facts for your allegations,firstly theres no evidence and secondly their marriage is proven to be legal.Marriage for yo ...Are you trying to deny those cultural norms back then?
Maybe Mohammad's action may have been in accordance with cultural norms back then but Mohammad was allegedly the chosen one of God.Now,why would God have chosen someone that was to be judged by the standards of a later age? Compare Mohammad actons in life to that of Jesus' actions.Tell me honestly,which one strikes you of being more like a prophet? And I am not a Christian either.
[ Last edited by vixen on 14-6-2005 at 10:06 AM ] |
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Originally posted by vixen at 14-6-2005 10:04 AM:
Maybe Mohammad's action may have been in accordance with cultural norms back then but Mohammad was allegedly the chosen one of God.Now,why would God have chosen someone that was to be judged by t ...
Vixen for ur info Muhammad and Christ (Isa) both is pesuruh Allah (prophet). Muslim believe in both prophet , but Muhammad is the last Messenger. Only stupid muslim will create bullshit story about Isa (Jesus Christ). We as muslim definitely cannot make or create bad story of all prophet. This is different with our fellow christian friends. They did not believe in Muhammad , so they have freedom to twist fact about Muhammad , eventhough in reality Muhammad done nothing wrong. For ur information , all God mesengger is preseved by Allah for their attitude especially Muhammad. Only unbeliever are free to twist fact to suit their agenda.
Now it is up to u to believe in twisted fact or actual fact. For me only loser twist fact ,
If you want to see example of twisted fact they have present , visit here
http://forum.cari.com.my/viewthread.php?tid=163308&fpage=1
If u still choose to believe all their fact after go thru the link , i have no comment , but I know which type u r. |
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Originally posted by Baiduri Othman at 2005-6-14 06:13 AM:
Well, it's you who mentioned that it's a sunnah for Muslim men to wed underage children b'coz the Prophet did once marry to a 9-yr-old Siti Aisyah. Sin ...
you must first tell me.. what do you know about SUNNAH. Tell me what you understand by the word SUNNAH.
don't wriggle and wraggle.. and waste time.. if you don't know what shannah means then no point asking for the hadiths.
damn it.. there no smaller font than this..
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Originally posted by Laxamana. at 2005-6-14 07:48 AM:
There is no point for Kafirs to do personal attacks on Prophet Muhammad with intention to discredit Islam since their effort will not degrade Al Quran at all... Islam stays intact.
If you want to disturb and wake non-muslim from their sleep with your Azan calls.. using kafir made mega-watt loud speaker.. barking&screaming that "I bear witness that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah"
At least you must chose a prophet who is worthy of your praise. Not a pedophilia.. who banged a child.
The shame is on you.
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Originally posted by wira_melayu at 2005-6-14 03:07 AM:
I dont see you provide any hard facts for your allegations,firstly theres no evidence and secondly their marriage is proven to be legal.Marriage for yo ...
Legal marriage.. LOL
Prove that it was an arabic custom for oldmans to marry childrens.. before Muhammads time.
Give at least 2 example where oldman married young girls in pre-islamic world in arabia.. dig your hadiths.. maybe there is some example.
Anyway, it was Muhammad who begged and convince Abu Bakar to give his young daughter to him as a mate.
Even if it was a custom( i am not saying that it was) for the arabians to wed young girls, it was a bad custom. Muhammad is suppose to be an examplar.. He should have forbid such pathetic customs.. instead he made it an example for other to follow.. as the Irainan Mullahs used that example as a law for marring girls as young as 9year old.. just few years back.
If marring your mother/stepmother was legal in the pre-islamic arabia.. is that okay with you? Its okay with them.. cos they were ignorant people.
If marring your sister/cousin was legal in pre-islamic arabia.. is that okay with you? Its okay with them cos again they were ignorant people.
Same with child marriage.. the pre-islamic and islamic arabians were ignorant people.. for them it was okay to have sex with young girls as long as they call it marriage.. marriage konon.. LOL
No point following ignorant people.
Muhammad forbid drinking wine/alcohol, a punishable crime but a sick and a pathetic crime like marring a child.. he did not forbid.. he made it legal.
The mind of a muslim.. LOL
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Hmm .. I think marriage does in a way disqualifies Mohammad as a paedophile.
Uncontrollable paedophiles do not marry their victims or wait three years before coitus.
If Mohammad was an uncontrollable paedophile he would
have had sex with infant children before taking them in marriage.
And how many other child/infant did Mohammad had sex with? As I know,paedophiles are rarely content with one victim.
But we can say that Mohammad's sanctioning of sexual
relations with children disqualifies him from being
considered a prophet of God, since he displayed ignorance of the severe psychological and physical impact that sexual relations
can have on children.
[ Last edited by vixen on 15-6-2005 at 10:12 AM ] |
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Vixen ,
32 years ago my mum married to my father at age 15. Does it make my father have sanctioning of sexual relations with children. Because , current age 15 still consider as children.
(according to my Grand Ma , she always say "budak budak zaman sekarang lambat matang , dulu waktu mak ko , umor 14 dah matang , boleh buat kerja") |
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Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 2005-6-15 02:23 AM:
you must first tell me.. what do you know about SUNNAH. Tell me what you understand by the word SUNNAH.
don't wriggle and wraggle.. and waste time.. if ...
Are you trying to tell me that by marrying to a 9-yr-old girl, it's a SUNNAH???? Which means that the Muslims can follow to anything the Prophet did. Did the Prophet mention anything that the Muslims shd follow to anything he did? WHERE??????????????? Of course what he did only applicable during his time & not in the modern time since it was normal for people to get married at young age as young as 9 yrs old.
In fact, you're the one wriggling here, wasting people's time with your stupid lame excuse. |
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Originally posted by vixen at 2005-6-14 10:04 AM:
Maybe Mohammad's action may have been in accordance with cultural norms back then but Mohammad was allegedly the chosen one of God.Now,why would God have chosen someone that was to be judged by t ...
Take note that even Jesus had sex with Magdalene before he was crucified on the Cross & they weren't married. |
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Originally posted by Baiduri Othman at 2005-6-15 08:23 PM:
Take note that even Jesus had sex with Magdalene before he was crucified on the Cross & they weren't married.
On what basis do you make such a statement?
Please point me to any verse or scripture that mentiones that Jesus had carnal relation with Magdalene or any other woman.
I hope you are not deliberately lying?
As far as I know the church honors Mary Magdalene and in the Orthodox Church,they have a whole Sunday devoted to the memory of Mary Magdalene. |
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Originally posted by vixen at 2005-6-15 10:24 PM:
On what basis do you make such a statement?
Please point me to any verse or scripture that mentiones that Jesus had carnal relation with Magdalene or any other woman.
I hope you are not del ...
I read abt it in a book written by the Christians. |
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Originally posted by Baiduri Othman at 15-6-2005 10:36 PM:
I read abt it in a book written by the Christians.
DONT BULLSHIT US BO, THERE'S NO SUCH BOOK WRITTEN BY CHRISTIANS. |
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Originally posted by vixen at 2005-6-15 10:08 AM:
Hmm .. I think marriage does in a way disqualifies Mohammad as a paedophile.
I disagree. Sexually abusing one child is enough to call the abuser as pedophile. The marriage is just a cover-up. he did not respect the marriage.. he married so many other women after her.
By the way.. do you think it was a normal thing for the pre-Islamic arabians who are old enough to be grandfather to marry young 6year old girls?
I no have information that the pre-islamic arabians practice adult/child marriages.. i mean arranged-mariage between young peoples maybe common in old world but arranged marriage between oldman and young child? I think it will be looked down even in ancient society.
Originally posted by vixen at 2005-6-15 10:08 AM:
Uncontrollable paedophiles do not marry their victims or wait three years before coitus.
The 3year wait period was due to sickness. Aisha fall sick after she was "married" at 6. its in the hadiths.
Anyway Mo was not uncontrollable pedophile. He was in charge.. he had the power.. he was a leader. He was in control.. his follower were his pawns.
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Originally posted by pirate.pete at 2005-6-16 12:13 AM:
DONT BULLSHIT US BO, THERE'S NO SUCH BOOK WRITTEN BY CHRISTIANS.
Yes, there's/are such books written by the Christians themselves. I'm not bullshitting. I read the book. Jesus had sex with Mary Magdalene before he was crucified on the cross. Don't you know that the Jews considered Jesus as the illegitimate child of Mary with a carpenter? The articles was published in TIME, if I'm not mistaken. |
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Post time 14-6-2005 01:25 AM
