[MERGED]-Debmey: SHOW PROOF THAT PROPHET MOHAMMAD IS A PAEDOPHILE?

Debmey

But you have no answers to what Al Bukhari wrote abt Mo having sex with a 9 year old Aisha.

Originally posted by Debmey at 2005-5-26 10:09 AM:
But you have no answers to what Al Bukhari wrote abt Mo having sex with a 9 year old Aisha.

See?  you're getting more dumb by the day. ;)

Debmey

You are the one who is playing dumb, not me.

I think you never read the hadiths and have no idea of its conetent or meaning.

peace

Fuzzman

Debmey wrote: Al Bukhari clearly says that Mo had sex witha  9 year old Aisha. Are you saying that Al Bukhari is wrong?

Hahaha did ever Bukhari say it in that manner? The prophet married to Aishah as "having sex with a nine year old"? Show me if you can? Bukhari says marriage from start to finish. Only you in your twisted demented mind sees it otherwise. Only you in your blind furious hatred sees the betrothal and consequential legalised marriage of the prophet to Aisha as something dirty. ONLY YOU BRO. And to make matters all the more laughable, you keep sticking to Bukhari because the narratives of Bukhari are the ones closest to helping out your smearing campaign. You can make nothing stick because there is no mention of illicit sex nor paedophilia on the part of the prophet.

You definately are in a world of shit because now your strawman's on fire and you do not have the luxury of water to put out the fire. Better get one or more of your buddies in this forum [that is if you have any left at all, minus the multinicks of course!] to go piss on the poor thing if you still wanna keep your strawman "potent and erect" as the good Sonny~~ would have aptly put it! Otherwise you will to settle for something much lesser after the fire's done it's deed, like a Ashman? LOL

You quote Bukhari? Fine by me. Now tell me squarely the source of his narratives with regards to the betrothal and marriage of Aisha to the prophet?

ARI FUZZMAN

FaithHealer3

f.y.i
Lets read what the Islamic website  Q&A Islam has to say about Muhammad being a pedo..
http://63.175.194.25/index.php?l ... p;QR=1493&dgn=4


Question : I need to know, when did the Holy Prophet get married to Hazrat Aisha, there have been claims on newsgroups that the Holy Prophet was a pedophile. I want enough information to be able to answer such allegations.

I need to know everything about this particular marriage, quoting sources.
Wa-alaikum

Answer : Praise be to Allaah.

The answer to your question may be found in the ahaadeeth of Saheeh al-Bukhaari and the commentary of al-Haafiz al-慉sqallaani, which are quoted below:

慉a抜shah (may Allaah be pleased with her) said: "The Prophet  (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) married me when I was six years old. Then we came to Madeenah and stayed in Bani al-Haarith ibn Khazraj. I fell ill and my hair started to fall out (due to the illness; then it grew back thick again). My mother Umm Roomaan came to me whilst I was on a swing and my friends were with me. She shouted for me and I came to her, not knowing what she wanted. She took me by the hand and led me to the door of the house. I was out of breath and we waited until I had calmed down, then she took some water and wiped my face and head, then took me inside. There were some women of the Ansaar in the house, and they said: " 慉laa al-khayri wa抣-baraka wa 慳la khayri taa抜r (blessings, best wishes, etc)." My mother handed me over to them and they tidied me up, then suddenly the Messenger of Allaah  (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was there. It was mid-morning, and they handed me over to him. At that time I was nine years old." (Reported by al-Bukhaari, 3605).

慤rwah said: "Khadeejah died three years before the Prophet  (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) migrated to Madeenah. He stayed alone for two years or thereabouts, then he married 慉a抜shah when she was six years old, and consummated the marriage when she was nine years old." (Reported by al-Bukhaari, 3607)

The phrase "he married 慉a抜shah" means that the marriage contract was drawn up; the marriage was consummated later on, when she was nine.

Muslim reports from al-Zuhri, from 慤rwah, that 慉a抜shah said that she was taken to him when she was nine years old, and she took her toys with her. He died when she was eighteen years old. Muslim also reports a similar account from 慉a抜shah via al-Aswad. He reports from 慉bdullaah ibn 慤rwah from his father that 慉a抜shah said: "The Messenger of Allaah  (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) married me in Shawwaal and consummated the marriage with me in Shawwaal."

慉a抜shah (may Allaah be pleased with her) said that the Prophet  (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) married her when she was six years old and consummated the marriage when she was nine years old, and she stayed with him for nine years." (Reported by al-Bukhaari, 4738)

Al-Bukhaari calls this chapter of his Saheeh "Baab inkaah al-rajul wuldahu (or waladahu) al-sighaar (Chapter on a man marrying off his young children)." The fact that Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
". . . and for those who have no courses [periods] [(i.e., they are still immature) their 慽ddah is three months likewise, except in case of death] . . ." [al-Talaaq 65:4]
is an indication that it is permissible to marry girls below the age of adolescence. This is a good understanding, but the aayah makes no specific mention of either the father or the young girl. It could be said that the basic principle concerning marrying children is that it is forbidden unless there is specific evidence (daleel) to indicate otherwise. The hadeeth of 慉a抜shah states that her father Abu Bakr married her off before the age of puberty, but there is no other evidence apart from that, so the rule applies to all other cases.

Al- Muhallab said: "[The scholars] agreed that it is permissible for a father to marry off his young virgin daughter, even though it is not usually the case to have intercourse with such a young woman."

(The above was summarized from Fath al-Baari Sharh 慳la Saheeh al-Bukhaari)

In summary, then, it is permitted to contract marriage with a young girl and to hand her over to her husband to stay with him before she reaches adolescence. As for consummating the marriage, this does not happen until she is physically able for it. Thus the matter becomes quite clear. Do you see anything wrong with a man living with his young wife in one house, bringing her up and teaching her, but delaying consummation until she is ready for it? We ask Allaah to show us truth and falsehood and to make each clear. And Allaah knows best.
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Do you see anything wrong with a man living with his young wife in one house, bringing her up and teaching her, but delaying consummation until she is ready for it????

young wife?? less than 9 years old?

kids they consider as mates.. LOL

kids old enough to be daugthers .. and yet they are waiting for suitable time to sexualy abuse them..

LOL.. muslims muslims



[ Last edited by FaithHealer3 on 27-5-2005 at 02:05 AM ]

Fuzzman

LOL Christians and Atheists. Will they never learn when they're already beat? They keep coming up with the same line over and over again and again. Trying to prop up their strawman with more straws. More straws than the strawman can physically take on. This condition in which I now write this post clearly proves and shows that the proverbial "last straw" will not only break the proverbial camel's back but so too that of the strawmen belonging to Debmey and FaithHealer! LOL

Why so? Simple. They cannot take on my TWO POINTS. They cannot prove that Bukhari or whoever they might want to cook up DO NOT clearly and without reservations say that the marriage of the prophet to Aishah was paedophilic, made out of lust and was disapproved of by the religious and scholarly fraternity of the Arab world at that time. They cannot tell me with a straight face as to the origins of the Ansari women present and for what they represent in Arab society, culture and religion at the time Aisha was presented to the prophet.

They cannot and surely will not address all these troubling questions from Fuzzman, not because of anything else but the fear that their strawman would be nothing but an effort of waste, and that their task of making the legitimate marriage sound off dirty in the most vilest and foul would fail them hard. That's their weakness that has and had silenced them.The fear that makes them stick to Bukhari when Bukhari time and again works not in their favor. Wll they ever learn? NEVER.

Fine by me. Let's take this stalemate [for them] issue to the next level. I want them to explain to me the meaning and identifying symptoms of a paedophile. How the mind of a paedophile works. How the paedophile "blends" in. The conditions that lead to a person being a paedophile. Let's them get started on this as we be but waiting aight?

ARI FUZZMAN

[ Last edited by Fuzzman on 27-5-2005 at 10:45 AM ]

Originally posted by Fuzzman at 2005-5-27 10:33 AM:
Fine by me. Let's take this stalemate [for them] issue to the next level. I want them to explain to me the meaning and identifying symptoms of a paedophile. How the mind of a paedophile works. How the paedophile "blends" in. The conditions that lead to a person being a paedophile. Let's them get started on this as we be but waiting aight?

Brilliantly said Fuzz....I'm waiting for their explanation  

Fuzzman

Originally posted by KENNKID at 2005-5-27 10:54 AM:
Brilliantly said Fuzz....I'm waiting for their explanation  

Troubling as it may be, will they answer not. Answers from them patiently shall we wait. Concessions lesser be, give I will not. Fear of reprocricity and truth from them, will sure come not. Silence of the lambs shall the answer be I be sure!! LOL

So the saga continues my brother and we shall wait until their strawmen be nothing but ruined ashes and they be noone but spirits of borderless unrest, knowing no respite nor retribution.

Shana tova.

ARI FUZZMAN

pirate.pete

MUHAMMAD WAS THE FATHER OF PEDOPHILIA..NOUGH SAID.
DEAL WITH IT OR I'LL SHOVE IT UP YUR ASS.

anti_aktivis

As usual another bullshit from pete . Ki ki , pete u r the one who must deal with reality that u did not even have clue how to anwser back KK or Fuzzman question regarding ur allegation.

Ki KI as usual , when I read ur statement pete , always without fact , link or in other word FULL OF BULLSHIT.

My advice to u pete , cool down , relax ur mind.

pirate.pete

YOU CAN EAT YER OWN ADVICE SON, OR I'LL SMACK YER HEAD.
NOTHING CAN ESCAPE THE FACT, MUHAMMAD MARRIED A 6 YEAR OLD, HAVE SEX WITH HER WHEN SHE WAS ONLY 9 - PEDOPHILIA.

HIS ACT "INSPIRED" MANY MSULIM IN THIS WORLD.



"A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate. If he penetrates and the child is harmed then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however would not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl's sister."

Ayatollah Khomeini in Tahrirolvasyleh, Fourth Edition, Darol Elm, Qom

[ Last edited by pirate.pete on 28-5-2005 at 01:54 PM ]

FaithHealer3

Originally posted by Fuzzman at 2005-5-27 10:33 AM:
They cannot prove that Bukhari or whoever they might want to cook up DO NOT clearly and without reservations say that the marriage of the prophet to Aishah was paedophilic, made out of lust and was disapproved of by the religious and scholarly fraternity of the Arab world at that time...

The sickness of Islamic mind..

The arabs didn't think the keeping concubines was wrong.
The arabs didn't think keeping slaves was wrong.
The arabs didn't think an old man keeping more than 9 wifes was wrong.
The arabs didn't think an old man marring a young child was wrong.

Pedohilia is wrong even if the arabs don't think so.. and don't even if they have no word for it.

Bukhari recorded which he concluded as real and authentic stories about Muhammad. What he recorded, show clearly the weird moral standard of the arabian women, and the weird lust of Muhammad for the child Aisha.

Aisha's own mother along with the ansari(helper) women prepared the 9 year old child for copulation by their leader, Muhammad. How pathetic.

The Malaysian TV, since mother's day been promoting Muhammad above anyone's mother. Muhammadans call him a beautiful pattern to imitate.. how bizarre.

The sickness of Islamic mind.




[ Last edited by FaithHealer3 on 28-5-2005 at 08:33 PM ]

Originally posted by pirate.pete at 2005-5-28 01:51 PM:
A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate. If he penetrates and the child is harmed then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however would not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl's sister."

Ayatollah Khomeini in Tahrirolvasyleh, Fourth Edition, Darol Elm, Qom

The above is an absolute lie!  It was never said by Ayatollah Khomeini and the photograph above is also a fake....!!!  it is obtained from the sick christian evangelist anti Islam website called Faithfreedom.org.......

[ Last edited by KENNKID on 28-5-2005 at 11:03 PM ]

Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 2005-5-28 03:00 PM:


The sickness of Islamic mind..

The arabs didn't think the keeping concubines was wrong.
The arabs didn't think keeping slaves was wrong.
The arabs didn't think an old man k ...

It shows you don't know head or tale what Fuzzman was saying - you have purposely twisted his words like you twist every truth there is about whatever is Islam.... shame on you FH3...you are nothing but a cheapskate racist!!!

[ Last edited by KENNKID on 28-5-2005 at 11:10 PM ]

pirate.pete

THATS RIGHT KIDDO, FROM FAITHFREEDOM.ORG TO EXPOSED THE TRUE FACE OF ISLAM. AND THATS NO LIE.

Originally posted by pirate.pete at 2005-5-28 11:32 PM:
THATS RIGHT KIDDO, FROM FAITHFREEDOM.ORG TO EXPOSED THE TRUE FACE OF ISLAM. AND THATS NO LIE.

You sound more and more like Debmey . Only sickos like Debmey exposes his face from the toilet bowl covered with faeces like you're doing.

[ Last edited by KENNKID on 29-5-2005 at 12:19 AM ]

pirate.pete

THATS GOOD KIDDO, COMING FROM A IDIOT. DID YOU FIGURE OUT MY ANOLOGY EARLIER? OR YOU'RE STILL SCRATCHING YER HEAD.
MUST FEEL LIKE A KICK ON YER STOMACH EH KIDDO READING THE WORD OF KHOMEINI HIMSELF.

KHOMEINI ADVISED MUSLIM FOLLOWERS TO MARY BABY CHILDREN, EVEN WHO HAD NOT REACHED PUBERTY. HECK, HE HIMSELF MARRY 10 YEAR OLD.

LIKE MUHAMMAD, MOST ISLAMIC CLERKS, MULLAHS AND AMERICAN CATHOLIC PRIEST, ALL ARE PERVERTED MENTALLY AND SEXUALLY - PAEDOPHILIA.

Originally posted by pirate.pete at 2005-5-29 12:24 AM:
THATS GOOD KIDDO, COMING FROM A IDIOT. DID YOU FIGURE OUT MY ANOLOGY EARLIER? OR YOU'RE STILL SCRATCHING YER HEAD.
MUST FEEL LIKE A KICK ON YER STOMACH EH KIDDO READING THE WORD OF KHOMEINI HIMSEL ...

Go and read my comments about your silly absent minded 'analogy'.

FaithHealer3

Originally posted by KENNKID at 2005-5-28 11:01 PM:


The above is an absolute lie!  It was never said by Ayatollah Khomeini and the photograph above is also a fake....!!!  it is obtained from the sick christian evangelist anti Islam website called Faithfreedom.org.......

Liar.

Faithfreedom.org is not a christian evangelist anti islam website. How stupid you wanna be kennkid?

Faithfreedom.org is a ex-muslim website owned by a agnostic/atheist called Ali Sina. He brings charges against p.Muhammad that no muslims can refute.. many have tried and many have bite the dust.  

FaithHealer3

Originally posted by KENNKID at 2005-5-28 11:08 PM:


It shows you don't know head or tale what Fuzzman was saying - you have purposely twisted his words like you twist every truth there is about whatever is Islam.... shame on you FH3...you are nothing but a cheapskate racist!!!

Oh i am sorry.. i didn't mean to leave out all you Arab-Wanna-Be.

Its the same twisted mind you ppl have.. the crimes of your prophet is no crime at all.