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mashimaru83 posted on 26-11-2013 07:29 AM 
You are contradicting yourself:
According to biblical verse that you posted, one who divorce his ... You are contradicting yourself:
Truth.8 (post #39):
as for my faith...we not allow to marry more than 1 wife....if not happy , divorce and marry another
nope i m not contradicting....even christians going to divorce .....what we can do? it against the teaching of Bible because of their HARDNESS of their hearts.... so i just wrote divorce and married another but this is not recommended...
In islam teachings...men used the quran or hadith to married , divorce and poligamy...later they will says different things that divorce is not allowed but the face is the teachings of islam itself....
If muhammad were to be called seal of all prophets...he would respect Jesus words rather he come with different words and allowed men to be poligamy and divorce...
hence, muhammad is not seal of all prophets and i should reject him....sorry out of topic
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Truth.8 posted on 26-11-2013 01:39 PM
nope i m not contradicting....even christians going to divorce .....what we can do? it again ... Truth.8
nope i m not contradicting....even christians going to divorce .....what we can do? it against the teaching of Bible because of their
HARDNESS of their hearts.... so i just wrote divorce and married another but this is not recommended...
Truth.8
In islam teachings...men used the quran or hadith to married , divorce and poligamy...later they will says different things that divorce is not allowed but the face is the teachings of islam itself....
Truth.8
If muhammad were to be called seal of all prophets...he would respect Jesus words rather he come with different words and allowed men to be poligamy and divorce...
hence, muhammad is not seal of all prophets and i should reject him....sorry out of topic
The different words or new teachings were from God, so I don't know why you had said that 'respect' (or not respect) stuff?
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Ketahuilah bahawa ketua para Rasul adalah Nabi Muhammad saw. Apabila Nabi Isa (Jesus) diturunkan semula ke bumi untuk membunuh Dajal maka selepas dia bunuh Dajal, dia mengembangkan pula agama Islam. Dia akan melakukan ibadah dan mengajar orang ramai menggunakan ajaran yang terkandung dalam kitab al-Quran yang diturunkan kepada Nabi Muhammad saw. Dia akan mengaku HANYA Allah sahaja adalah Tuhan. Dia akan solat, puasa, mengeluarkan zakat dan mengerjakan umrah serta Haji mengikut ajaran yang diajar oleh Nabi Muhammad saw. Rugilah orang-orang yang tak mahu ikut ajaran Nabi Muhammad saw sedangkan Nabi Isa as yang seorang Nabi pun mengikut ajaran Nabi Muhammad saw. Last edited by ct_og on 27-11-2013 08:18 AM
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mashimaru83 posted on 27-11-2013 07:07 AM
Not recommended and not allowed are two different things. You said not recommended, but the Bible ... Not recommended and not allowed are two different things. You said not recommended, but the Bible doesn't say that.
If u read the post....it is hardness of their heart....if I were to says to my christians who want to divoce...surly I do not recommend it because this not Bible teachings....but he still insist ....let be but in malaysia very small in my faith divorce compare to muslims
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[quote]Again, you were trying to say that there is issue with the teachings, but evidentially that is not the case. The link regarding the Muslim divorce rate posted by you never mentioned about the issue of the teachings. It is so far just an opinion by you.
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[quote]Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and all Muslims do respect prophet Jesus (pbuh)!
whether he respect or not....we not bother....but calling himself as seal of all prophets is totall bull as he did not fit to be one as he broke lot sayings Prophets words such Moses and Jesus...
The different words or new teachings were from God, so I don't know why you had said that 'respect' (or not respect) stuff?
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ct_og posted on 27-11-2013 08:12 AM
Ketahuilah bahawa ketua para Rasul adalah Nabi Muhammad saw. Apabila Nabi Isa (Jesus) diturunkan sem ...
Nabi Muhammad saw sedangkan Nabi Isa as yang seorang Nabi pun mengikut ajaran Nabi Muhammad saw.
Yesus saya kenal....
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Nabi Isa as tu Yesus la... ada orang panggil Jesus.. sama le dengan nama kamu tu.. tak ada le nama kamu dalam IC tu Truth.8. Memang kamu tak kenal pun dia tu sebab kalau kenal tak ada le kamu kata manusia sebagai Tuhan. |
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Wtf is this crap about marriage in Christianity??
In the other topic u quoted from your oh-mighty Bible, that if one would devote oneself to god, one cannot marry, as it is a DISTRACTION.
Now you're quoting marriage from the Bible? Just HOW do u understand your Bible I just dont know.
Bible is just the joke of the century. No wonder its placed under 'Fiction' in Wal-Mart.  |
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ct_og posted on 27-11-2013 12:30 PM
Nabi Isa as tu Yesus la... ada orang panggil Jesus.. sama le dengan nama kamu tu.. tak ada le nama k ...
isa itu bukan Yesus
sebab? isa tidak salibkan , bukan tuhan dan lain...
ia bercanggah ..jadi isa itu bukan Yesus
sahaja di ada-adakan oleh pak arabs yg itu ialah isa
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aimaniac posted on 27-11-2013 12:54 PM
Wtf is this crap about marriage in Christianity??
In the other topic u quoted from your oh-mighty ...
the Bible forbid divorce but islam allowed ...talak and 4 wives
once tide knots using God name...marriage is scared...
but muslims take marriage as play games or women as object and can divorce just by sayings 'talak'...which have no respect for marriage
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By Truth.8
isa itu bukan Yesus
sebab? isa tidak salibkan , bukan tuhan dan lain...
ia bercanggah ..jadi isa itu bukan Yesus
sahaja di ada-adakan oleh pak arabs yg itu ialah isa
Kalau Yesus itu bukan Nabi Isa as maka Yesus itu adalah manusia yang ada di salib yang kamu dok puja tu kan?
Oleh itu maka Allah berkata tentang ini seperti yang berikut :
"Dan juga disebabkan dakwaan mereka dengan mengatakan : “Sesungguhnya kami telah membunuh Al-Masih Isa Ibni Maryam, Rasul Allah”. Padahal mereka tidak membunuhnya dan tidak memalangnya di kayu palang – salib, tetapi diserupakan bagi mereka, orang yang mereka bunuh itu seperti Nabi Isa. Dan Sesungguhnya orang-orang yang telah berselisih faham, mengenai Nabi Isa, sebenarnya mereka berada dalam keadaan syak (ragu-ragu) tentang menentukan pembunuhannya. Tiada sesuatu pengetahuan pun bagi mereka mengenainya selain daripada mengikut sangkaan semata-mata; dan mereka tidak membunuhnya dengan yakin." (An-Nisa - 157) |
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Truth.8 posted on 27-11-2013 03:23 PM
the Bible forbid divorce but islam allowed ...talak and 4 wives
once tide knots using God name... ...
Please be professional and reply according to my statement;
"In the other topic u quoted from your oh-mighty Bible, that if one would devote oneself to god, one cannot marry, as it is a DISTRACTION."
How come your statement from this contradicts with your statement in this topic? So what is the Bible trying to say?
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ct_og posted on 27-11-2013 09:06 PM
By Truth.8 Kalau Yesus itu bukan Nabi Isa as maka Yesus itu adalah manusia yang ada di salib yang kamu dok puja tu kan?
isa ? sorry saya tak kenal
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aimaniac posted on 28-11-2013 02:51 AM
Please be professional and reply according to my statement;
"In the other topic u quoted from y ...
beings single and devoted fully with GOD is good but those choose to get married ...let be ...
some prefer to be single some not...it matter of choice but Christians do not have so called 'talak' to divorce because divoice is not encourage in our faith ..we do not take women as sex object by just divoce with talak or marrying 4
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Truth.8 posted on 28-11-2013 10:50 AM
Yesus di lahir tanpa sebarang sentuhan seks....ini bermakna DIA itu Tuhan
isa ? sorry saya t ...
Kalau macam tu Nabi Adam as tu pun Tuhan la ya sebab dia lahir pun tanpa sentuhan seks? Kenapa Yesus je kamu sembah jadi Tuhan dan tidak Nabi Adam as sebagai Tuhan sedangkan ke dua-duanya lahir tanpa sentuhan seks? hehehe.... terbuktilah kamu ini ada cacat pemikiran.... |
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ct_og posted on 28-11-2013 02:37 PM
Kalau macam tu Nabi Adam as tu pun Tuhan la ya sebab dia lahir pun tanpa sentuhan seks? Kenapa Yes ... Kalau macam tu Nabi Adam as tu pun Tuhan la ya sebab dia lahir pun tanpa sentuhan seks? Kenapa Yesus je kamu sembah jadi Tuhan dan tidak Nabi Adam as sebagai Tuhan sedangkan ke dua-duanya lahir tanpa sentuhan seks? hehehe.... terbuktilah kamu ini ada cacat pemikiran..
sah kamu ini memang cacat akal...adakah islam membentuk kamu begitu?
mai aku cerita pasal adam:
Adam di cipta dengan tanah.....termasuk kita semua...
Yesus tanpa sebaran hubungan seks...
maka Yesus adalah Tuhan dan bukan itu aja....bila dunia dlm ambang huru hara dgn dajjal...Yesus ada kunci utk memusnahkan dajjal dan menghakimi manusia yg baik mahu pun yg salah...
jadi tidak timbul isu yg Yesus bukan Tuhan...sah Yesus Tuhan
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Truth.8 posted on 27-11-2013 10:28 AM
If u read the post....it is hardness of their heart....if I were to says to my christians who wa ... Truth.8
If u read the post....it is hardness of their heart....if I were to says to my christians who want to divoce...surly I do not recommend it because this not Bible teachings....but he still insist ....let be but in malaysia very small in my faith divorce compare to muslims
You are still contradicting the Bible:
Truth.8 (post #39):
as for my faith...we not allow to marry more than 1 wife....if not happy , divorce and marry another...
We mean everyone that share the same faith as you (including you). According to biblical verse that you posted, one who divorce his wife and married another woman is considered committing adultery. According to your post #39, you are okay with committing adultery. Isn't that even worse?
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what teachings? one moment your quran /hadith says divorce with talak and remarried...another coming twisted tounge that islam do not allowed it ....so, muslims men taking advantage of this teachings to divorce women with talak etc....
Who is that another that coming twisted tounge said Islam do not allow it? Care to provide the evidence?
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@Truth.8
whether he respect or not....we not bother....but calling himself as seal of all prophets is totall bull as he did not fit to be one as he broke lot sayings Prophets words such Moses and Jesus...
The new teachings came from God. Are you saying God was wrong?
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mashimaru83 posted on 28-11-2013 10:37 PM
You are still contradicting the Bible:
We mean everyone that share the same faith as you (includi ... We mean everyone that share the same faith as you (including you). According to biblical verse that you posted, one who divorce his wife and married another woman is considered committing adultery. According to your post #39, you are okay with committing adultery. Isn't that even worse?
Like I said , I take the from Moses who allowed divorce but Jesus says of their hardenss of their heart that why divorce was allowed during Moses times...but Jesus put stop to it....but if divorce still happend at present time...surly is not encouraged ....but if they still want to divorce...let it be and face God in judgment day...
Marriage is a scared because it used Holy Book and God name to get blessing and married...when divorce happened....it makes mockery out the scared marriage ceremony..
Hope that explained..
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Who is that another that coming twisted tounge said Islam do not allow it? Care to provide the evidence?
did u read the link I provide? u always ask for evidence but when I provide evidence u ask for more ....
The issue here is...it was your islam teaching allowed divoce with talak and marrying 4 wives...that is the main point here...dont talk to me like 'islam do not allowed divorce or whatever....it the the teaching itself make divorce not scared anyone....when tide knots...is mean Scared...like it or not...u have bare with it rest of ur life...until mampus..
The new teachings came from God. Are saying God is wrong?
new teachings from God... sorry...I have doubt as he broke all our prophets rules.... clean-unclean meats, marriage, Jesus denial crucification and etc....sorry to says...i hve to reject him...
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Truth.8 posted on 28-11-2013 10:50 PM
Like I said , I take the from Moses who allowed divorce but Jesus says of their hardenss of the ...
Truth.8:
did u read the link I provide? u always ask for evidence but when I provide evidence u ask for more ....
The issue here is...it was your islam teaching allowed divoce with talak and marrying 4 wives...that is the main point here...dont talk to me like 'islam do not allowed divorce or whatever....it the the teaching itself make divorce not scared anyone....when tide knots...is mean Scared...like it or not...u have bare with it rest of ur life...until mampus..
And who said marriage is Scared? Is that a made up opinion or according to the Bible? Even you yourself contradicted the Bible. It is proven, again I posted your contradiction:
Truth.8:
as for my faith...we not allow to marry more than 1 wife....if not happy ,divorce and marry another...
You say different thing but the Bible says different thing! Now you know why I keep asking for evidence!
Truth.8:
new teachings from God... sorry...I have doubt as he broke all our prophets rules.... clean-unclean meats, marriage, Jesus denial crucification and etc....sorry to says...i hve to reject him...
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Truth.8 posted on 28-11-2013 03:49 PM
sah kamu ini memang cacat akal...adakah islam membentuk kamu begitu?
mai aku cerita pasal adam ...
Wahai orang yang cacat otak bila akalnya tidak sempurna seperti mana yang disebut Allah... manakan sempurna akal kamu bila kamu merujuk bible yang dah tentu kamu kata bukan injil tu...
Dalam al-Quran yang seiring dengan sains jelas tunjukkan bahawa bahawa semua manusia (kecuali Nabi Adam as, Hawa dan Nabi Isa as) terhasil dari air mani yang disenyawakan dengan 'telur' wanita...
Berkata Allah :
"Dan Allah menciptakan kamu dari tanah, kemudian dari (setitis) air benih, kemudian Dia menjadikan kamu berpasangan (lelaki dan perempuan). Dan tiada mengandung seseorang perempuan (juga seekor betina), dan tidak pula satu-satunya melahirkan (anak yang dikandungnya) melainkan dengan keadaan yang diketahui Allah. Dan tidak diberikan seseorang berumur panjang, juga tidak dijadikan seseorang pendek umurnya, melainkan ada kadarnya di dalam Kitab Ilahi. Sesungguhnya yang demikian itu mudah sahaja kepada Allah." (Al-Fatir : 11)
Yang dimaksudkan dengan perkataan 'KAMU' oleh Allah dalam ini adalah Nabi Adam as. Menunjukkan hanya Nabi Adam as yang dibentuk dari tanah sedangkan manusia lain dari air mani.
Sedangkan kejadian Nabi Isa as pula adalah terjadi dari perkataan Allay yang hanya menyebut 'Jadilah kamu' maka dia pun terjadi lalu dilahirkan oleh ibunya Maryam. Berkata Allah tentang kelahiran Nabi Isa as :
"(Ingatlah) ketika malaikat berkata: “Wahai Maryam! Bahawasanya Allah memberikan khabar yang mengembirakanmu, dengan (mengurniakan seorang anak yang engkau akan kandungkan semata-mata dengan) Kalimah daripada Allah, nama anak itu: Al-Masih, Isa Ibni Maryam, seorang yang terkemuka di dunia dan di akhirat, dan ia juga dari orang-orang yang didampingkan (diberi kemuliaan di sisi Allah). (A--Imran : 45)
Apabila kamu kata Yesus itu Tuhan maka jelaslah kamu itu orang yang mensyirikan Allah. Maka untuk orang yang syirik maka Allah berkata :
Sesungguhnya orang-orang yang kafir akan dipanggil dan dikatakan kepada mereka pada hari kiamat : “Demi sesungguhnya! Kebencian Allah kepada kamu lebih besar daripada kebencian kamu kepada diri sendiri, sebabnya kerana semasa kamu diseru dan diajak di dunia dahulu supaya beriman, kamu enggan dan menolak, lalu kamu terus berkeadaan kufur. Mereka menjawab : “Wahai Tuhan kami! Engkau telah menjadikan kami berkeadaan mati dua kali dan telah menjadikan kami bersifat hidup dua kali, maka kami sekarang mengakui akan dosa-dosa kami. Oleh itu adakah sebarang jalan untuk kami keluar dari neraka?” Lalu dikatakan kepada mereka: “Azab yang kamu berada padanya itu adalah kerana keadaan kamu apabila Allah Yang Maha Esa sahaja diseru dan disembah, kamu kufur dan menolak cara bertauhid itu; dan apabila dipersekutukan sesuatu dengan Allah, kamu percaya dan menerima bawaan syirik itu. Maka kuasa menjalankan keadilan adalah hak Allah, Yang Maha Tinggi dari apa yang dipersekutukan, lagi Yang Maha Besar pemerintahanNya”. (Gaffir : 10-12)
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ct_og posted on 29-11-2013 09:13 AM
Wahai orang yang cacat otak bila akalnya tidak sempurna seperti mana yang disebut Allah... manakan ... Dalam al-Quran yang seiring dengan sains jelas tunjukkan bahawa bahawa semua manusia (kecuali Nabi Adam as, Hawa dan Nabi Isa as) terhasil dari air mani yang disenyawakan dengan 'telur' wanita...
ia lah manusia akan lahir semua dari air mani ...asal manusia ..( original man) dtg dari mana??? tanah kan....
Yesus bukan hasil dari seks....
jadi , antara adam dan Yesus jauh berbeza..
maka Yesus adalah Tuhan
ini cerita pula air mani.. cacat akal rupa nya
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Post time 27-11-2013 07:07 AM
