[MERGED]-Debmey: SHOW PROOF THAT PROPHET MOHAMMAD IS A PAEDOPHILE?

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Proof it Debmey if u can, that's why the prophet waited Aisya becomes 9 until he really married her with the approval of her parents! see, Aisya parents was wise enough to think whether their daughter is fit to get married , remember the 9 year old thai girl delivering a baby? whatever twist ur playing debmey u still didn't find a concrete proof to accused!! :lol

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Debmey

The real question is, why did Mo even fancy a 6 year old.
why did Mo have sex with a 9 year old.

Did Aisha deliver any baby? Nope, she was destroyed by Mo.

Originally posted by Debmey at 2005-3-24 09:03 AM:
The real question is, why did Mo even fancy a 6 year old.
why did Mo have sex with a 9 year old.

Did Aisha deliver any baby? Nope, she was destroyed by Mo.

How certain are you that Aisha was 9 years old? Are you sure beyond the shadow of  any doubt whatsoever (the way you have doubted the hadith and even the Qur'an on so many other matters) that she was really nine years old at that time?

You have so readily and unhesitatingly  jumped to use Aisha's reported age to accuse 'paedophilia' when you have so unreadily and so hesitatingly in fact refused acceptance of the authenticity of other parts of the hadith and even the holy Qur'an that shed glorious light on Nabi Muhammad (peace be upon him).

Yes, your motive is nothing but dirt. A dirt will always have dirty motives and dirt will always want other people to become dirt like them, because they are incapable of clean thoughts.

The 9 year old part that has been reported has become no problem for Muslims and other noble minded people to gulp because they know the track record of Muhammad Rasulullah - his sincerity, manners, behaviour, practices, devoutness, trustworthiness, gentleness, respectability, and so many other noble traits that he possessed. Above all, his transparent love and rememberance of God and for God that was so exemplary and that all Muslims want  & wish to follow, would render all your accusations null and void & be dismissed as nothing but just the false utterances of an insane  person..

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Debmey

Its recorded starkly in the hadiths. Are you saying that Al Bukhari was wrong?
If you deny teh hadiths, don't that make yu a kafir doctrinally?

Originally posted by Debmey at 2005-3-24 01:09 PM:
Its recorded starkly in the hadiths. Are you saying that Al Bukhari was wrong?
If you deny teh hadiths, don't that make yu a kafir doctrinally?

Show me where it states that. Where in the Rukun Iman or 6 Pillars of Faith does it state so?

Nothing from you (Debmey). You are stuck.  

OK...let me just say this. There are Muslims who have  reservations in accepting the narratives or the reports that Aisha was  9 years of age when she married Muhammad Rasulullah (remember, Bukhari was a compiler of the reports and narratives. The reporters and narrators did not live during his generation).  

Such  reservations are not because of the fear of the accusation of 'paedophilia' by insane people like you, not because they have any doubt about the credibility of Muhammad Rasulullah or the credibility of Imam Bukhari,  but more based on historical data to get to the truth and nothing but the truth of the matter.

Point Number 1:

Most of these narratives about Aisha's age were  reported only by Hisham ibn `urwah reporting on the authority of his father. An event as well known as the one being reported, should logically have been reported by more people than just one, two or three.

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Debmey

Are yu saying that Bukhari and Aisha must be wrong?


From Bukhari vol. 7, #65:

            "Narrated Aisha that the prophet wrote the marriage contract with her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old.  Hisham said:  "I have been informed that Aisha remained with the prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death).""




Bukhari vol. 7, #88:

            "Narrated Urwa:  "The prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).""





Bukhari vol. 5, #234 says:

            "Narrated Aisha:  The prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six.  We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Harith Kharzraj.  Then I got ill and my hair fell down.  Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends.  She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me.  She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house.  I was breathless then, and when my breathing became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it.  Then she took me into the house.  There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's blessing and a good luck."  Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage).  Unexpectedly Allah's messenger came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age."

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Originally posted by Debmey at 2005-3-24 01:58 PM:

Are yu saying that Bukhari and Aisha must be wrong?


From Bukhari vol. 7, #65:

            "Narrated Aisha that the prophet wrote the marriage contract with her when she was s ...

Debmey... stop behaving like .8... no matter how BIG your fonts are...they will not unstuck you from your present pathetic disposition. Remember, the age of engagement and contract of betrothal  and the actual nikah & consummation of marriage are two different events altogether.

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POINT NO. 2:

It is quite strange that no one from Medinah, where Hisham ibn `urwah lived the first seventy-one years of his life had narrated about Aisha's age, even though in Medinah his pupils included people as well-known as Malik ibn Anas. All the narratives of this event have been reported by narrators from Iraq, where Hisham is reported to have shifted after living in Medinah for seventy-one years.

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Debmey

Then you are saying that Bukhari and Aisha was wrong then.

Originally posted by Debmey at 2005-3-24 02:08 PM:
Then you are saying that Bukhari and Aisha was wrong then.

Read the one in red above. Learn how to read intelligently.

Debmey

Bukhari clearly recorded that Mo had sex with Aisha when she was only 9 and playing with toys.

Originally posted by Debmey at 2005-3-24 02:13 PM:
Bukhari clearly recorded that Mo had sex with Aisha when she was only 9 and playing with toys.

You can go on with your insane jibberish.. We know you very well. That is all you have.

POINT NO. 3:

Tehzeeb al-Tehzeeb, one of the most well-known books on the life and reliability of the narrators of the traditions ascribed to Syedina  Muhammad Rasulullah (peace be upon him) reported that according to Yaqub ibn Shaibah: "narratives reported by Hisham are reliable except those that are reported through the people of Iraq". It further states that Malik ibn Anas objected on those narratives of Hisham, which were reported through people of Iraq (Vol. 11, pg. 48 - 51).

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Debmey

You mean you are correct and al bukhari was wrong about Mohd having sex with a  9 year old Aisha? What are you talking abt Kennkid?

BTW, thanks for keeping up the thread. Couldn't have done it w/o you.

Originally posted by Debmey at 2005-3-24 02:22 PM:
You mean you are correct and al bukhari was wrong about Mohd having sex with a  9 year old Aisha? What are you talking abt Kennkid?

BTW, thanks for keeping up the thread. Couldn't have done it w/o  ...

I know you are in a state of paranoia. You don't even know whose thread this is. My brother Fuzzman should thank me (and also you). Hehehe..  ;)  This is his thread. Not yours.

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POINT NO. 4

Meezaan al-Ai`tidaal, another book on the narrators of the traditions of Syedina Muhammad Rasulullah (peace be upon him) reports that when he was old, Hisham's memory suffered quite badly (Vol. 4, pg. 301 - 302).

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POINT NO. 5:

According to the generally accepted tradition, Aisha (May Allah be pleased with her)  was born about eight years before the Hijrah  (migration from Makkah to Medinah).  However, according to another narrative in Bukhari (Kitaab al-Tafseer) Aisha was  reported to have said that at the time that  Surah Al-Qamar , the 54th chapter of the Qur'an , was revealed, "I was a young girl". The 54th Surah of the Qur'an was revealed nine years before the Hijrah. .

According to this tradition, Aisha  had not only been born before the revelation of the referred Surah, but was actually a young girl (jariyah ), not even only an infant (sibyah) at that time.

Obviously, if this narrative is held to be true, it is in clear contradiction with the narratives reported by Hisham ibn `urwah.

There is absolutely no reason  (after the comments made by the experts on the narratives of Hisham ibn `urwah), for anyone not to accept this narrative to be more accurate.

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POINT NO. 6:

According to a number of narratives, Aisha (May Allah be pleased with her) accompanied the Muslims in the battle of Badr and Uhud.  It is also reported in the books of hadith and history that no one under the age of 15 years was allowed to take part in the battle of Uhud. All the boys below 15 years of age were sent back.

Aisha's  participation in the battle of Badr and Uhud clearly indicates that she was not nine or ten years old at that time.

Furthermore,  women used to accompany men to the battlefields to help them, not to be a burden to them.

POINT No. 7:

According to almost all the historians Asma, the elder sister of Siti Aisha  was ten years older  than Aisha (May Allah be pleased with her).

It was reported in Taqreeb al-Tehzeeb  as well as Al-Bidayah wa al-Nihayah that Asma  died in the 73rd year after the hijrah   when she was 100 years old.

Now, obviously if Asma was 100 years old in the 73rd year after the hijrah , she should have been 27 or 28 years old at the time of the  hijrah.

If Asma  was 27 or 28 years old at the time of the hijrah, then Aisha   should & would have been 17 or 18 years old at that time.

Thus, Aisha  - if she got married in 1 AH (after hijrah) or 2 AH - was between 18 to 20 years old at the time of her marriage.

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