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Truth.8 posted on 15-11-2013 02:51 PM 
let me ask u simple question: muslims believed after they die, will be rewards with heaven with houris, sexual , pearly handsome boy and etc...
are you saying there is keinginan/perasaan nafsu even after beings spirit form???
When we are resurrected , we are in our physical form.
What makes you think when resurrected , we will be in spiritual form. You believe your man God in biblical Jesus was resurrected. He was not in spiritual form as he ate fish and drink. Spirits don't eat / drink
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sam1528 posted on 15-11-2013 03:33 PM
When we are resurrected , we are in our physical form.
What makes you think when resurrected , ... When we are resurrected , we are in our physical form.
What makes you think when resurrected , we will be in spiritual form. You believe your man God in biblical Jesus was resurrected. He was not in spiritual form as he ate fish and drink. Spirits don't eat / drink
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sam1528 posted on 15-11-2013 03:29 PM
A very simple question. If the earth has been renewed after it being destroyed , as claimed by you ... A very simple question. If the earth has been renewed after it being destroyed , as claimed by you - does it not mean a new earth? If its a new earth then there won't be any fossils. However science have proven the bible and you wrong.
is not new earth ... let me give one example :
...when u do something bad /or negative....than u realise is bad...u pray to God for forgivness...than u change to better person...meaning renewal but same person in body..
just like the earth...it was lucifer rebel against God and everthing is destroyed ...the earth was renew with new living things to humans...some of the items like dinosaurs was buried in earth as proof that this earth is old ...
God do not plan to create humans as HE know that humans will make the earth more corrupt but the loving GOD still made humans...at one point HE admit regret for making humans
And the LORD was sorry that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart.
Genesis 6:6
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Hanya andaian yang diulang-ulang tanpa ayat nyata dari Dia. Ni saya kongsikan ayat Dia untuk tatapan orang yang suka buat andaian sahaja :
"Dan kebanyakan mereka, tidak menurut melainkan sesuatu sangkaan sahaja, (padahal) sesungguhnya sangkaan itu tidak dapat memenuhi kehendak menentukan sesuatu dari kebenaran (iktiqad). Sesungguhnya Allah Maha Mengetahui akan apa yang mereka lakukan." (Yunus : 36) |
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Truth.8 posted on 15-11-2013 02:51 PM
let me ask u simple question: muslims believed after they die, will be rewards with heaven with ... let me ask u simple question: muslims believed after they die, will be rewards with heaven with houris, sexual , pearly handsome boy and etc...
are you saying there is keinginan/perasaan nafsu even after beings spirit form???
soalan kamu tidak ada kena-mengena langsung dengan isu yang kamu ketengahkan.
Saya tanya soalan simple sahaja.
Link dan article yang kamu bagi tu saya baca 3 kali. Masih tak nampak penerangan daripada mekera, macam mana Lucifer/Cherub tu boleh tiba2 ada keinginan untuk rasa lagi hebat dan mahu membelot Tuhan.
Sebab itu saya tanya kamu, memandangkan kamu kata Iblis/Lucifer ni sebelum dia di laknat, dia adalah malaikat, maka soalan saya adalah :
Lucifer/Cherub (YANG MALAIKAT sebelum DILAKNAT tu), macam mana boleh ada keinginan/perasaan tamak, dengki, etc tu? Daripada nafsu ke, atau bukan?
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Truth.8 posted on 15-11-2013 03:42 PM
physical form like human in flesh??? If Jesus in physical form...i am sure we can see him now...
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Oooh I see. You are trying to say that upon biblical Jesus so called resurrection , he was already in spirits?
Then why did he asked his disciples to touch him , to feel his hands and feet , luk24:39
Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.”
Only physical beings can eat meaning having the desire of hunger , luk24:41-43
41 And while they still did not believe it because of joy and amazement, he asked them, “Do you have anything here to eat?”
42 They gave him a piece of broiled fish,
43 and he took it and ate it in their presence.
You claim that upon resurrection you would be in spirit per your post#39 and in the meantime Christians claim that biblical Jesus died and was resurrected.
The bible has contradicted you. Can a spirit eat (and having flesh and bones)? Your man God in biblical Jesus in which you claim was resurrected had flesh and bones and the desire to eat (nafsu utk makan).
Either he did not die or it is physical resurrection. Either way , you have again been proven wrong in your belief.
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Truth.8 posted on 15-11-2013 03:55 PM
is not new earth ... let me give one example :
...when u do something bad /or negative....than u realise is bad...u pray to God for forgivness...than u change to better person...meaning renewal but same person in body..
just like the earth...it was lucifer rebel against God and everthing is destroyed ...the earth was renew with new living things to humans...some of the items like dinosaurs was buried in earth as proof that this earth is old ...
God do not plan to create humans as HE know that humans will make the earth more corrupt but the loving GOD still made humans...at one point HE admit regret for making humans
And the LORD was sorry that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart.
Genesis 6:6
In other words , now you are changing your argument that the earth was not destroyed. It again shows the inconsistency of your argument. If the earth was destroyed in the first place - no more earth lah tambi.
Your biblical God did not plan for humans and he regretted making humans? What kind of a God is this? A God is all knowing. If your God had regretted creating humans , he is not God as he could not forsee what would happen in future.
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sam1528 posted on 15-11-2013 08:20 PM
Oooh I see. You are trying to say that upon biblical Jesus so called resurrection , he was already ... Oooh I see. You are trying to say that upon biblical Jesus so called resurrection , he was already in spirits?
Then why did he asked his disciples to touch him , to feel his hands and feet , luk24:39
Only physical beings can eat meaning having the desire of hunger , luk24:41-43
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[quote]You claim that upon resurrection you would be in spirit per your post#39 and in the meantime Christians claim that biblical Jesus died and was resurrected.
Yes, we see Jesus spirit form
The bible has contradicted you. Can a spirit eat (and having flesh and bones)? Your man God in biblical Jesus in which you claim was resurrected had flesh and bones and the desire to eat (nafsu utk makan).
meaning to says, muslims when die has flesh and bone??
Either he did not die or it is physical resurrection. Either way , you have again been proven wrong in your belief.
either way failed to understand or belief is wrong
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sam1528 posted on 15-11-2013 08:25 PM
In other words , now you are changing your argument that the earth was not destroyed. It again sho ... In other words , now you are changing your argument that the earth was not destroyed. It again shows the inconsistency of your argument. If the earth was destroyed in the first place - no more earth lah tambi.
the living things was destroyed and the earth when on renewal . simple understanding yet u failed to understand
Your biblical God did not plan for humans and he regretted making humans? What kind of a God is this? A God is all knowing. If your God had regretted creating humans , he is not God as he could not forsee what would happen in future.
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gunblade712 posted on 15-11-2013 08:00 PM
soalan kamu tidak ada kena-mengena langsung dengan isu yang kamu ketengahkan.
Sa ... soalan kamu tidak ada kena-mengena langsung dengan isu yang kamu ketengahkan.
Saya tanya soalan simple sahaja.
Link dan article yang kamu bagi tu saya baca 3 kali. Masih tak nampak penerangan daripada mekera, macam mana Lucifer/Cherub tu boleh tiba2 ada keinginan untuk rasa lagi hebat dan mahu membelot Tuhan.
soalan saya...macam mana pula orang muslims yg mati dan hidupkan ada keinginan rasa lapar dan nafsu utk bidadari dan lain?? tidak nafsu hanya masa hidup ? adakah nafsu selepas mati dan hidupkan??
jawab ini dulu
Sebab itu saya tanya kamu, memandangkan kamu kata Iblis/Lucifer ni sebelum dia di laknat, dia adalah malaikat, maka soalan saya adalah :
Lucifer/Cherub (YANG MALAIKAT sebelum DILAKNAT tu), macam mana boleh ada keinginan/perasaan tamak, dengki, etc tu? Daripada nafsu ke, atau bukan?
apa kah ia nya :
tamak
suka2
tak ada apa
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sam1528 posted on 15-11-2013 08:25 PM
In other words , now you are changing your argument that the earth was not destroyed. It again sho ...
Qur'an Incoherence and Contradiction
Is Satan an Angel or a Jinn?Analyzing the Quran’s Confusing Statements
Sam Shamoun
The Quran, in many citations, portrays Satan or Iblis as an angel:
And (remember) when We said to the angels: "Prostrate yourselves before Adam." And they prostrated except Iblis (Satan), he refused and was proud and was one of the disbelievers (disobedient to Allah). S. 2:34
And (remember) when your Lord said to the angels: "I am going to create a man (Adam) from sounding clay of altered black smooth mud. So, when I have fashioned him completely and breathed into him (Adam) the soul which I created for him, then fall (you) down prostrating yourselves unto him." So, the angels prostrated themselves, all of them together. Except Iblis (Satan), - he refused to be among the prostrators. S. 15:28-31
And (remember) when We said to the angels: "Prostrate yourselves to Adam." They prostrated (all) except Iblis (Satan), who refused. S. 20:116
(Remember) when your Lord said to the angels: "Truly, I am going to create man from clay". So when I have fashioned him and breathed into him (his) soul created by Me, then you fall down prostrate to him." So the angels prostrated themselves, all of them: Except Iblis (Satan) he was proud and was one of the disbelievers. S. 38:71-74
The natural reading of the above texts is to see Satan as an angel who refused to obeyAllah’s order to worship Adam. The following passage brings out this point even moreclearly:
And surely, We created you (your father Adam) and then gave you shape (the noble shape of a human being), then We told the angels, "Prostrate to Adam", and they prostrated, except Iblis (Satan), he refused to be of those who prostrate. (Allah) said: "What prevented you (O Iblis) that you did not prostrate, when I commanded you?" Iblis said: "I am better than him (Adam), You created me from fire, and him You created from clay." S. 7:11-12
Allah asks Iblis why he didn’t obey his instruction to the angels to prostrate toAdam, which presupposes that he was one of the angels. The text does not say that Allahcommanded some other group along with the angels to worship Adam, and therefore makes nosense for Allah to hold Iblis accountable for not obeying a command that was given to themif he wasn’t an angel.
Yet the Quran introduces a discrepancy by identifying Iblis as a jinn:
And (remember) when We said to the angels; "Prostrate to Adam." So they prostrated except Iblis (Satan). He was one of the jinns; he disobeyed the Command of his Lord. Will you then take him (Iblis) and his offspring as protectors and helpers rather than Me while they are enemies to you? What an evil is the exchange for the Zalimun (polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc). S. 18:50
Thus, this either means that:
- Satan is an angel and therefore not a jinn.
- Or he is a jinn and therefore not an angel, which makes Allah unjust for blaming him for not obeying a command given to the angels and not to the jinn.
- Or the jinn are angels which introduces another contradiction as we will demonstrate shortly.
Aware of the foregoing dilemma Muslims have come up with some convenient and/orintriguing explanations. For instance, one Muslim translator distorted the text of S. 18:50 in order to make it say that Iblis became a jinn, not that he was a jinn:
We said to the angels, "Fall prostrate before Adam." They fell prostrate, except Satan. He became a jinn, for he disobeyed the order of His Lord. Will you choose him and his descendants as lords instead of Me, even though they are your enemies? What a miserable substitute! Rashad Khalifa
Khalifa’s rendering presupposes that Iblis was an angel before becoming a jinn, an understanding which, as we stated above, poses additional problems which we will see a little later. Khalifa’s followers provide the reasons why he translated the text in this manner:
The Arabic in verse 18:50 could be translated as he was a jinn or it could be translated as he became a jinn. The following translation of the Arabic verse 18:50 stating that Satan became a jinn, however, is the correct understanding for reasons stated below… It can be understood that Satan became disobedient and therefore no longer an angel through looking at other verses as well as this one rather than coming to a conclusion using only this verse. We should not take the scripture partially… First, God spoke specifically to the angels, not the angels and the jinns… Second, God issued the command to fall prostrate to the angels; and the angels fell prostrate, all of them, except Satan. Some Islamic "scholars" argue about the use of the Arabic word "illah" (except), but it is just a distraction from the fact that God is clearly speaking to and giving the command to angels… Third, There is no mistaking that Satan has fallen, God tells us Satan is in his act of rebellion, which is followed by his banishment… Lastly, the Islamic "scholars" claim that angels are made of light, but nowhere in the Quran does it say what angels are made of. Since there are no inconsistencies or contradictions in the Quran and it is perfect (16:103,18:2, 26:195), complete (6:115, 41:3), and fully detailed (6:114, 7:52, 10:37), we can conclude that the confusion is caused by the contradicting Hadith. (Source)
Still others claim that jinn are actually a class of angels created to guard paradise.Renowned Sunni exegete and historian al-Tabari wrote:
According to al-Qasim b. al-Hasan- al-Husayn b. Dawud- Hajjaj- Ibn Jurayj- Ibn `Abbas: Iblis was one of the most noblest angels and belonged to the most honored tribe among them. He was a keeper of Paradise. He had authority to rule over the lower heaven as well as earth.
According to al-Qasim- al-Husayn- Hajjaj- Ibn Jur
ayj- Salih, the mawla of al-Taw'amah and Sharik b. Abir Namir, either one or both of them- Ibn `Abbas: There was an angelic tribe of jinn, and Iblis belonged to it. He governed all in between the heaven and the earth.
more here :http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/iblis.html
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Truth.8 posted on 15-11-2013 09:07 PM
He was not arise to heaven yet...dont make yourself fool again
You mean that upon resurrection while on earth your man God in biblical Jesus was physical in form but when he ascended to heaven he became spirit? Lu gila ka? Where in the bible that states of such? You are arguing thru your ass.
meaning to says ur heaven can eat and drink or shit also?
The Quran states of eating and drinking but no shitting in heaven. I don't speculate like you.
Yes, we see Jesus spirit form
Are you now saying luk24:39-43 is wrong? It states of biblical Jesus asking the disciples to touch him and he ate food. Can a spirit be touched and eat? You are contradicting yourself.
meaning to says, muslims when die has flesh and bone??
Of course when we die , our dead body still have flesh and bones which will rot away in time. Waaah! When you christians die , your body sort of disappear? Whatever you are smoking , it is really strong.
either way failed to understand or belief is wrong
Is your man God in biblical Jesus in physical or spiritual form in luk24:39-43 (it being after his so called resurrection)? You claim that upon resurrection one would be in spiritual form , your post#39. The bible have just contradicted your belief.
One thing I notice is that Christians like you cannot produce biblical verses to support your claim. All you have is just interpolation as pointed out by bro 'mashimaru'
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Truth.8 posted on 15-11-2013 09:10 PM
the living things was destroyed and the earth when on renewal . simple understanding yet u failed to understand
No one can understand your argument. The definition of destroyed :
to cause (something) to end or no longer exist : to cause the destruction of (something)
In your post #2 you stated that the earth was destroyed meaning it no longer exist. I quote :
God destroyed the earth in His own anger. Yes, that's right, GOD DESTROYED THE EARTH IN GENESIS 1:1...
Jeremiah 4:23-28, “I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void;
- the earth was destroyed
- it was without form
Therefore per your logic , the biblical God created a new earth after it was destroyed per your claim. However we have fossils of dinosaurs. Science has proven your belief to be wrong. Now you are trying to wriggle away from your blunder.
mind telling why God destroyed peoples during noah times???? it seems you muslims do not understand about God rather mocking and insult on Divine
I am not questioning that the people were destroyed by Allah. However the Quran never state of worldwide flooding in the case of Prophet Nuh(as). Ha ha , worldwide flood? If that is the case , we would see almost all fossils buried in the same strata layer all over the world. Again , science has proven the bible to be wrong.
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Truth.8 posted on 15-11-2013 09:27 PM
Qur'an Incoherence and Contradiction
Is Satan an Angel or a Jinn?Analyzing the Quran’s Confusing Statements
Sam Shamoun
The Quran, in many citations, portrays Satan or Iblis as an angel:
And (remember) when We said to the angels: "Prostrate yourselves before Adam." And they prostrated except Iblis (Satan), he refused and was proud and was one of the disbelievers (disobedient to Allah). S. 2:34
And (remember) when your Lord said to the angels: "I am going to create a man (Adam) from sounding clay of altered black smooth mud. So, when I have fashioned him completely and breathed into him (Adam) the soul which I created for him, then fall (you) down prostrating yourselves unto him." So, the angels prostrated themselves, all of them together. Except Iblis (Satan), - he refused to be among the prostrators. S. 15:28-31
And (remember) when We said to the angels: "Prostrate yourselves to Adam." They prostrated (all) except Iblis (Satan), who refused. S. 20:116
(Remember) when your Lord said to the angels: "Truly, I am going to create man from clay". So when I have fashioned him and breathed into him (his) soul created by Me, then you fall down prostrate to him." So the angels prostrated themselves, all of them: Except Iblis (Satan) he was proud and was one of the disbelievers. S. 38:71-74
The natural reading of the above texts is to see Satan as an angel who refused to obeyAllah’s order to worship Adam. The following passage brings out this point even moreclearly:
And surely, We created you (your father Adam) and then gave you shape (the noble shape of a human being), then We told the angels, "Prostrate to Adam", and they prostrated, except Iblis (Satan), he refused to be of those who prostrate. (Allah) said: "What prevented you (O Iblis) that you did not prostrate, when I commanded you?" Iblis said: "I am better than him (Adam), You created me from fire, and him You created from clay." S. 7:11-12
Allah asks Iblis why he didn’t obey his instruction to the angels to prostrate toAdam, which presupposes that he was one of the angels. The text does not say that Allahcommanded some other group along with the angels to worship Adam, and therefore makes nosense for Allah to hold Iblis accountable for not obeying a command that was given to themif he wasn’t an angel.
Yet the Quran introduces a discrepancy by identifying Iblis as a jinn:
And (remember) when We said to the angels; "Prostrate to Adam." So they prostrated except Iblis (Satan). He was one of the jinns; he disobeyed the Command of his Lord. Will you then take him (Iblis) and his offspring as protectors and helpers rather than Me while they are enemies to you? What an evil is the exchange for the Zalimun (polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc). S. 18:50
Thus, this either means that:
- Satan is an angel and therefore not a jinn.
- Or he is a jinn and therefore not an angel, which makes Allah unjust for blaming him for not obeying a command given to the angels and not to the jinn.
- Or the jinn are angels which introduces another contradiction as we will demonstrate shortly.
Aware of the foregoing dilemma Muslims have come up with some convenient and/orintriguing explanations. For instance, one Muslim translator distorted the text of S. 18:50 in order to make it say that Iblis became a jinn, not that he was a jinn:
We said to the angels, "Fall prostrate before Adam." They fell prostrate, except Satan. He became a jinn, for he disobeyed the order of His Lord. Will you choose him and his descendants as lords instead of Me, even though they are your enemies? What a miserable substitute! Rashad Khalifa
Khalifa’s rendering presupposes that Iblis was an angel before becoming a jinn, an understanding which, as we stated above, poses additional problems which we will see a little later. Khalifa’s followers provide the reasons why he translated the text in this manner:
The Arabic in verse 18:50 could be translated as he was a jinn or it could be translated as he became a jinn. The following translation of the Arabic verse 18:50 stating that Satan became a jinn, however, is the correct understanding for reasons stated below… It can be understood that Satan became disobedient and therefore no longer an angel through looking at other verses as well as this one rather than coming to a conclusion using only this verse. We should not take the scripture partially… First, God spoke specifically to the angels, not the angels and the jinns… Second, God issued the command to fall prostrate to the angels; and the angels fell prostrate, all of them, except Satan. Some Islamic "scholars" argue about the use of the Arabic word "illah" (except), but it is just a distraction from the fact that God is clearly speaking to and giving the command to angels… Third, There is no mistaking that Satan has fallen, God tells us Satan is in his act of rebellion, which is followed by his banishment… Lastly, the Islamic "scholars" claim that angels are made of light, but nowhere in the Quran does it say what angels are made of. Since there are no inconsistencies or contradictions in the Quran and it is perfect (16:103,18:2, 26:195), complete (6:115, 41:3), and fully detailed (6:114, 7:52, 10:37), we can conclude that the confusion is caused by the contradicting Hadith. (Source)
Still others claim that jinn are actually a class of angels created to guard paradise.Renowned Sunni exegete and historian al-Tabari wrote:
According to al-Qasim b. al-Hasan- al-Husayn b. Dawud- Hajjaj- Ibn Jurayj- Ibn `Abbas: Iblis was one of the most noblest angels and belonged to the most honored tribe among them. He was a keeper of Paradise. He had authority to rule over the lower heaven as well as earth.
According to al-Qasim- al-Husayn- Hajjaj- Ibn Jur
ayj- Salih, the mawla of al-Taw'amah and Sharik b. Abir Namir, either one or both of them- Ibn `Abbas: There was an angelic tribe of jinn, and Iblis belonged to it. He governed all in between the heaven and the earth.
more here :http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/iblis.html
I just don't understand this. Why do you appeal to Sam Shamoun of answering Islam? He doesn't understand arabic. He does not even have a college education. Yet , to you he is knowledgeable in Islam?
Obviously him and now you don't even know Quranic grammar. There is a grammatical rule call 'tagleeb' in which when the majority is addressed , the minority is included. Why do you make a fool of your self? People who know arabic would be laughing at you for your foolish argument.
This is really funny. When we muslims criticize the bible referencing biblical scholars , you 'die die' say we need to learn the bible from pastors (who actually know less then the bible scholars like Prof Bart Ehrman). However when you criticize the Quran , your source is answering Islam , a site whose authors like Sam Shamoun don't even know arabic (let alone Quranic arabic). Why are you not walking your talk?
You just expose yourself to be hypocrite.
I don't know why people in answering Islam love to quote Tabari in this case. The case mentioned is in Tarikh Tabari. Tabari made the following disclaimer in his book :
Translated to :
Let him who examines this book of mine know that I have relied, as regards everything I mention therein which I stipulate to be described by me, solely upon what has been transmitted to me by way of reports which I cite therein and traditions which I ascribe to their narrators, to the exclusion of what may be apprehended by rational argument or deduced by the human mind, except in very few cases. This is because knowledge of the reports of men of the past and of contemporaneous views of men of the present do not reach the one who has not witnessed them nor lived in their times except through the accounts of reporters and the transmission of transmitters, to the exclusion of rational deduction and mental inference. Hence, if I mention in this book a report about some men of the past, which the reader of listener finds objectionable or worthy of censure because he can see no aspect of truth nor any factual substance therein, let him know that this is not to be attributed to us but to those who transmitted it to us and we have merely passed this on as it has been passed on to us.
Meaning Tabari refused historical and hadeeth criticism. He merely transmitted what he received , whether authentic or spurious.
The book by Tabari is meant for advanced students who have the knowledge of historical / hadeeth criticism. It is not meant for people like Sam Shamoun nor you who don't even understand arabic.
You need to follow your own advice of 'learning from a pastor' .... ha ha
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sam1528 posted on 15-11-2013 11:49 PM
You mean that upon resurrection while on earth your man God in biblical Jesus was physical in form ... You mean that upon resurrection while on earth your man God in biblical Jesus was physical in form but when he ascended to heaven he became spirit? Lu gila ka? Where in the bible that states of such? You are arguing thru your ass.
Sorry to says but your jinn or whatever it is not our teachings...we believed in Angles and fallen angles....if u have difficult understanding it...is not my problem...
I am ok with it and believed in the Bible than houris, pearly boys and etc
read this:
Messengers Amongst the Jinns and Angels? link :http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/jinn_messengers.html
The Quran claims that Allah sent messengers from among the Jinn and men:
"O ye assembly of JINNS and men! came there not UNTO you messengers FROM AMONGST YOU, setting forth unto you My Signs, and warning you of the meeting of this Day of yours?" They will say: "We bear witness against ourselves." It was the life of this world that deceived them. So against themselves will they bear witness that they rejected Faith. S. 6:130
This passage poses a rhetorical question to both the Jinn and men, telling them torecall the fact that Allah sent messengers from amongst them to warn them of the Day ofJudgment. The question that naturally arises is what could it possibly mean that Allahsent messengers from the Jinn to warn them about Allah's judgment? Does Allah actually call on immaterial entities to preach amongst their own kind? The following verses say yes:
"Allah chooses messengers from angels and from men, for Allah is He Who hears and sees (all things)." S. 22:75
All praise is due to Allah, the Originator of the heavens and the earth, the Maker of the angels, apostles flying on wings, two, and three, and four; He increases in creation what He pleases; surely Allah has power over all things. S. 35:1 Shakir
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Truth.8 posted on 16-11-2013 11:57 AM
Sorry to says but your jinn or whatever it is not our teachings...we believed in Angles and fallen angles....if u have difficult understanding it...is not my problem...
I am ok with it and believed in the Bible than houris, pearly boys and etc
read this:
Messengers Amongst the Jinns and Angels? link :http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/jinn_messengers.html
The Quran claims that Allah sent messengers from among the Jinn and men:
"O ye assembly of JINNS and men! came there not UNTO you messengers FROM AMONGST YOU, setting forth unto you My Signs, and warning you of the meeting of this Day of yours?" They will say: "We bear witness against ourselves." It was the life of this world that deceived them. So against themselves will they bear witness that they rejected Faith. S. 6:130
This passage poses a rhetorical question to both the Jinn and men, telling them torecall the fact that Allah sent messengers from amongst them to warn them of the Day ofJudgment. The question that naturally arises is what could it possibly mean that Allahsent messengers from the Jinn to warn them about Allah's judgment? Does Allah actually call on immaterial entities to preach amongst their own kind? The following verses say yes:
"Allah chooses messengers from angels and from men, for Allah is He Who hears and sees (all things)." S. 22:75
All praise is due to Allah, the Originator of the heavens and the earth, the Maker of the angels, apostles flying on wings, two, and three, and four; He increases in creation what He pleases; surely Allah has power over all things. S. 35:1 Shakir
You again expose your ignorance. In the Arabic bible , there is a mention of jinns. BTW , do you know that jinn is an arabic word? Is the arabic bible not a translation of the bible? The arabic bible came to being ~ CE900 , at least 500 years before the english bible. Now you say jinns is not in your teachings? You don't know your bible , do you?
The question that you never answer , I copy post from bro 'Gunblade712'
Lucifer/Cherub tu, macam mana boleh ada keinginan/perasaan tamak, dengki, etc tu? Daripada nafsu ke, atau bukan?
Why are you so scared of answering? You have no answers right. That shows the contradiction in your bible. Your biblical God cannot even control its creation? We have proven there is sex and wine drinking in the Christian heaven as you will get x100 wives. You never manage to respond to such argument.
What is the issue with the answering Islam article? What is wrong with messengers to jinns? They are a part of Allah creation. Of course messenger can be chosen from angels. Isn't archangel Gabriel a messenger from Allah? The said article has no head nor tail.
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sam1528 posted on 16-11-2013 02:23 PM
You again expose your ignorance. In the Arabic bible , there is a mention of jinns. BTW , do you k ...
WHY DO THE BIBLE AND THE QURAN NOT AGREE?Despite similarities, stemming from the same subject matter, history and persons mentioned, the Bible and the Quran differ widely on fundamental concepts of faith and practice in religion.
There are at least two possible reasons:
The Bible and the Quran do not stem from the same source, i.e.one of the two, or both, are of human or spiritist origin.
more here : http://answering-islam.org/Nehls/Ask/disagree.html
with sayings of that, the angles of quran is different from Bible..
Last edited by Truth.8 on 17-11-2013 07:59 PM
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gunblade712 posted on 18-11-2013 07:33 AM
Kenapa kena jawab soalan ini dulu, sedangkan soalan ini tidak ada kena mengena langsung dengan ...
kau ini bodoh ke atau sahaja nak buat bodoh,...
kau tak paham ke fallen angles???
kalau itu pun tak paham pegi belajar dulu beza fallen angels ini....
kami tidak percaya jinn2 ini semua...lucifer asal malaikat tapi inigin merampas kuasa takta DIA...simple as that...
if u difficult to understand ...not my problem..u can stick to you so call jinn which made of fire lah and this
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Truth.8 posted on 17-11-2013 07:58 PM
WHY DO THE BIBLE AND THE QURAN NOT AGREE?Despite similarities, stemming from the same subject matter, history and persons mentioned, the Bible and the Quran differ widely on fundamental concepts of faith and practice in religion.
There are at least two possible reasons:
The Bible and the Quran do not stem from the same source, i.e.one of the two, or both, are of human or spiritist origin.
more here : http://answering-islam.org/Nehls/Ask/disagree.html
with sayings of that, the angles of quran is different from Bible..
Nobody is denying that the concept of angels in Quran differ from the bible.
In the Quran , angels are obedient creation of Allah.
In the bible angels have free will and can disobey the biblical God.
If you look at the difference , it is illogical in the bible. ps103:20
Praise the LORD, you his angels, you mighty ones who do his bidding, who obey his word.
If in the bible , angels can disobey the biblical God , what makes you think there won't be another war in the christian heaven? There might be a an incident where another obedient angel joining forces with your so called 'lucifer' and take the war to your biblical God. Can happen , can't it?
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