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mashimaru83 posted on 10-2-2014 12:22 PM 
I don't see any evidence in your claims. Please provide the evidence if you speak the truth.
I do not provide anything to blind people. IF you fools wish to be in Islam, that is your choice. Your kids will become atheists and whine how "God doesn't exist" like Benz Ali (in another thread) did.
Ultimately, you WILL witness Islam fall never to rise again. THAT will be the Ultimate Proof that Islam is a false religion and that God have no part in it. |
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Sephiroth posted on 10-2-2014 12:30 PM
I do not provide anything to blind people. IF you fools wish to be in Islam, that is your choice. ... Sephiroth
I do not provide anything to blind people. IF you fools wish to be in Islam, that is your choice. Your kids will become atheists and whine how "God doesn't exist" like Benz Ali (in another thread) did.
Ultimately, you WILL witness Islam fall never to rise again. THAT will be the Ultimate Proof that Islam is a false religion and that God have no part in it.
I'm asking for evidence for your previous claims: "Islam is Evil and it promotes evil"
WILL? That is speculation. Speculation is not a proof. Again, please provide a proper evidence if you speak the truth.
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mashimaru83 posted on 10-2-2014 12:39 PM
The question is not about my choice.
I'm asking for evidence for your previous claims: "Islam i ...
There is no proper evidence for blind fools like you. You choose whatever nonsense you want to believe because you are too stupid to think whether Islam is good or evil. Your idiotic forefathers followed Islam because they were lacking in proper education and thought that everything Islam brought was true. But we know it is not the case today. Islam brought NOTHING to the World and fuels terrorists and mentally challenged people with notions that if they died like dogs for sake of Allah, they going to get 72 prostitutes in some idiotic place called heaven.
So, you go and believe whatever nonsense you want to believe. The Truth will not change - ISLAM IS EVIL.
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Sephiroth posted on 10-2-2014 01:38 PM
There is no proper evidence for blind fools like you. You choose whatever nonsense you want to bel ...
Those are empty claims as in they are lacking of evidence. You can say whatever you want but the truth is you don't have any evidence to back up your claims. Please come back with evidence if you speak the truth.
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mashimaru83 posted on 10-2-2014 03:26 PM
Those are empty claims as in they are lacking of evidence. You can say whatever you want but the t ...
If you believe I speak empty words, that is your opinion. For many, what I speak is fact and they have seen the truth. Let my words be for them and not for a blind and deaf fool such as yourself.
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Sephiroth posted on 10-2-2014 03:52 PM
If you believe I speak empty words, that is your opinion. For many, what I speak is fact and they ... Sephiroth
If you believe I speak empty words, that is your opinion. For many, what I speak is fact and they have seen the truth. Let my words be for them and not for a blind and deaf fool such as yourself.
I don't think we should put our trust on someone who like to curse and make unbasis claims.
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Lab rats are toys which scientists test them with trials and errors
- science is uncertain thus being the greatest damage in the history of mankind... |
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by mashimaru83
You haven't put any evidence at all, so how can we know that you really have the absolute truth or even the correct fact?
You really are a stupid ba$tard, ain't you? 
No one knows the Absolute Truth. God did not allow anyone - either the gods nor the greatest sages to know Him as stated in Bhavagad Gita below :
BHAGAVAD GITA Chapter X: 1-2
The blessed Lord said: Again, Oh Arjuna, listen to my supreme word (message) which I will declare to thee who art beloved, for thy welfare.
Neither the hosts of the gods nor the great sages know my origin; for in every way I am the source of all of them.
In that context, it is IMPOSSIBLE for ANYONE to claim to know God nor have authority to speak on behalf of God. ANYONE who does this is a liar and a false prophet. ANYONE - including your Muhammad. Therefore, Islam is false, created by Muhammad to satisfy his ego and power-hungry desires.
Edited to add - As for the claim of Jesus to be Son of God. I believe he spoke in general terms - meaning he meant everyone (humans) as Children of God. But Roman Church modified his message that he is sole Son of God and that his words are the Words of God and then edited the Bible to suit their needs. Last edited by Sephiroth on 11-2-2014 09:13 AM
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Dzulqarnain posted on 10-2-2014 11:42 PM
Lab rats are toys which scientists test them with trials and errors
- science is uncertain thus bei ...
It is better to progress forward slowly through trials and errors, THAN not to progress at all. In that context, a religion that forces people not to progress forward (like Islam) is more damaging than such Science.
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Sephiroth posted on 11-2-2014 09:09 AM
by mashimaru83 Sephiroth
In that context, it is IMPOSSIBLE for ANYONE to claim to know God nor have authority to speak on behalf of God. ANYONE who does this is a liar and a false prophet. ANYONE - including your Muhammad. Therefore, Islam is false, created by Muhammad to satisfy his ego and power-hungry desires.
It seems that you have admitted that you don't have the absolute truth. Why should we put our trust on someone who like to curse other people, make unbasis claims and now admitted that even the absolute truth does not exist? You are simply defeating your ownself.
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mashimaru83 posted on 11-2-2014 12:30 PM
That is incorrect interpretation. "Neither the hosts of the gods nor the great sages know my origi ...
Who asked YOU to trust me? My words are for those who will listen, NOT for those who are blind and refused to listen and think the possibility that Islam is false and Muhammad is a false prophet, out to turn humans AWAY from God by creating his own path and claiming it to be Path to God. How else could you explain why those who follows Christianity and Islam are more likely to become atheists, seculars or suicide bombers instead of becoming great saints and sages like Swamy Vivekanda, Swamy Prabhupada and Mahatma Gandhi? EXPLAIN THAT. Why is there more suicidial maniacs in Islam than sages IF Islam is Path to God?
Furthermore, I know how to interprete the Gita and do not need for a Muslims to tell me. And for your information, it is not I who said that no one knows God. It was a greater person than I, a Swamy ji who said it and I will qoute it (commentary for the Shloka above) here :
The spiritual meaning here should not be overlooked. "I will tell you this wonderful truth, for I alone can" - i.e., Only God can know God. The Kenopanishad ridicules the little man who prattles: "I know God," and emphatically poses the riddle: "He who knows, knows not and he who knows not, knows." How can I know God? Can the finite measure the infinite? At best, the "I" can disappear and dissolve in God.
The commandment "Please listen" is important, too. Spiritual truths are not heard by the physical ear, the conditioned mind or the prejudiced intellect, but with the ear in the center of the heart. When the truth is heard with that ear, a fresh mind and calm intellect, it becomes a living truth - the word made flesh.
Two types of beings are mentioned in the second verse - gods and sages. This can be interpreted both literally and metaphorically. Metaphorically, the gods are the powers that preside over the various organs and functions of the body. Each element is presided over by a divinity and governs an organ. The sages can be interpreted to refer to the mental faculties. These (the senses and the mind) cannot know God, for he is their creator and lord.
Literally, the gods and sages were also created by God and hence are finite and in some measure imperfect - incapable of grasping the infinite. No doubt, through their insight they have become intuitively aware of the reality of God, but they cannot know him because he cannot be objectified. There is something in the master that is in direct communion with God. This omnipresence which is the unveiled divinity in the master is also in every being, but as the veiled divinity.
~~ SWAMI VENKATESHANANDA
For a simpleton like a Muslim (like you) it is like saying a tree can gasp and understand its own "creator" - the land which gives it nutrition, the rain and the Sun. Therefore, it is IMPOSSIBLE for Muhammad or anyone else for that matter to understand and gasp that which is God. What make you -a Muslim - to think that a 7th Century Arab like Muhammad could achieve something that even Gods and Sages who have devoted their very existence and yet could not gasp God?
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Sephiroth posted on 11-2-2014 01:17 PM
Who asked YOU to trust me? My words are for those who will listen, NOT for those who are blind and ...
U and some hindus are consider to be : Raajasika peopels...who leads to false and fake believed.
The Saattvika persons worship Devas, the Raajasika people worship demigods and demons, and the Taamasika persons worship ghosts and spirits. (17.04)
The worship of Devas, Braahmana, guru, and the wise; purity, honesty, celibacy, and nonviolence; these are said to be the austerity of deed. (17.14)
Speech that is not offensive, truthful, pleasant, beneficial, and is used for the regular reading of scriptures is called the austerity of word. (17.15)
The serenity of mind, gentleness, silence, self-restraint, and the purity of mind are called the austerity of thought. (17.16)
Madam sepi filled with cursed, flirtywords and bad words of writings...You consider to be Raajssika peoples...
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Sephiroth posted on 11-2-2014 09:09 AM
You really are a stupid ba$tard, ain't you? 
The worship of Devas, Braahmana, guru, and the wise; purity, honesty, celibacy, and nonviolence; these are said to be the austerity of deed. (17.14)
Speech that is not offensive, truthful, pleasant, beneficial, and is used for the regular reading of scriptures is called the austerity of word. (17.15)
The serenity of mind, gentleness, silence, self-restraint, and the purity of mind are called the austerity of thought. (17.16)
The Saattvika persons worship Devas, the Raajasika people worship demigods and demons, and the Taamasika persons worship ghosts and spirits. (17.04)
Such bad words come from peoples of raajasika who have corrupted their minds, souls and life..
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Sephiroth posted on 11-2-2014 01:17 PM
Who asked YOU to trust me? My words are for those who will listen, NOT for those who are blind and ... Sephiroth
Who asked YOU to trust me? My words are for those who will listen, NOT for those who are blind and refused to listen and think the possibility that Islam is false and Muhammad is a false prophet, out to turn humans AWAY from God by creating his own path and claiming it to be Path to God. How else could you explain why those who follows Christianity and Islam are more likely to become atheists, seculars or suicide bombers instead of becoming great saints and sages like Swamy Vivekanda, Swamy Prabhupada and Mahatma Gandhi? EXPLAIN THAT. Why is there more suicidial maniacs in Islam than sages IF Islam is Path to God?
It is easy to explain the issue on the atheists, seculars and suicidal bombers issue vs. the saints and sages. It is simply because you purposely picked up some bad examples and compared them with good examples. The same argument can be applied to you i.e. if we use you as an example then we can make the same justification about your belief: Your belief is leading you to say a lot of bad words against other people, so your belief cannot be the real God's path. See? your own argument is defeating your ownself.
Sephiroth
Furthermore, I know how to interprete the Gita and do not need for a Muslims to tell me. And for your information, it is not I who said that no one knows God. It was a greater person than I, a Swamy ji who said it and I will qoute it (commentary for the Shloka above) here :
Sephiroth
For a simpleton like a Muslim (like you) it is like saying a tree can gasp and understand its own "creator" - the land which gives it nutrition, the rain and the Sun. Therefore, it is IMPOSSIBLE for Muhammad or anyone else for that matter to understand and gasp that which is God. What make you -a Muslim - to think that a 7th Century Arab like Muhammad could achieve something that even Gods and Sages who have devoted their very existence and yet could not gasp God?
You are now making the matter worse: Why should people listen to someone who like to curse other people, who like to make unbasis claims, who don't have absolute truth and the worst part is even making a claim that his Sages couldn't even grasp God?
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by Mashimaru83
It is simply because you purposely picked up some bad examples and compared them with good examples.
I think you misunderstood my question. I didn't just pick some examples from Muslim society. I asked WHY majority of Muslims are becoming secular, atheist or suicide bombers INSTEAD of becoming sages and saints like those three saints I have mentioned in Hinduism. I said that majority of Muslims ARE fanatics, secular or atheists. Understood?
Your belief is leading you to say a lot of bad words against other people, so your belief cannot be the real God's path.
Is Lying a good path to God? NO? Then why do I must lie about Islam and your people's weakness just to please your ego? To speak the Truth regardless of how harsh it is IS the Truth Path of God. That is Satyam - Truth. One who speaks false words in his lips have no Truth in his Mind or heart. IF your Muhammad have spoken false for ANY reason, he is not prophet of God.
I didn't say that you don't know how to interprete the Gita, I was simply fixing your mistake.
How are you going to fix my mistake IF you don't even how Gita? It is like giving direction to go somewhere where you have never been to before. ONLY those who reads the Gita should say whether I have spoken wrongly or not and then fix my mistake. YOU ARE NOT QUALIFIED FOR THAT.
... God himself gave Prophet Muhammad pbuh the absolute truth through His revelations, simple.
WRONG. There is no absolute truth because Mankind is unable to gasp the Absolute Truth. That is what the Gita said that Man is incapable of understanding God anymore than a tree can understand the land, the rain nor the Sun which makes it grow. In that context, your Muhammad LIED to you about receiving anything. All he did was create his own religion and had his "friends" empower him through violence the same way all the other warmongers like Napoleon, Genghid Khan and Adolf Hitler did. Only difference between them and Muhammad is, Muslims kept saying Muhammad is Man of God when he is nothing more than thief, liar, a false prophet and a sex maniac. |
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Sephiroth posted on 12-2-2014 12:32 PM
by Mashimaru83 Sephiroth
I think you misunderstood my question. I didn't just pick some examples from Muslim society. I asked WHY majority of Muslims are becoming secular, atheist or suicide bombers INSTEAD of becoming sages and saints like those three saints I have mentioned in Hinduism. I said that majority of Muslims ARE fanatics, secular or atheists. Understood?
Sephiroth
Is Lying a good path to God? NO? Then why do I must lie about Islam and your people's weakness just to please your ego? To speak the Truth regardless of how harsh it is IS the Truth Path of God. That is Satyam - Truth. One who speaks false words in his lips have no Truth in his Mind or heart. IF your Muhammad have spoken false for ANY reason, he is not prophet of God.
Sephiroth
How are you going to fix my mistake IF you don't even how Gita? It is like giving direction to go somewhere where you have never been to before. ONLY those who reads the Gita should say whether I have spoken wrongly or not and then fix my mistake. YOU ARE NOT QUALIFIED FOR THAT.
Sephiroth
WRONG. There is no absolute truth because Mankind is unable to gasp the Absolute Truth. That is what the Gita said that Man is incapable of understanding God anymore than a tree can understand the land, the rain nor the Sun which makes it grow. In that context, your Muhammad LIED to you about receiving anything. All he did was create his own religion and had his "friends" empower him through violence the same way all the other warmongers like Napoleon, Genghid Khan and Adolf Hitler did. Only difference between them and Muhammad is, Muslims kept saying Muhammad is Man of God when he is nothing more than thief, liar, a false prophet and a sex maniac.
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by Mashimaru83
What data did you use to determine that MAJAROTIY of Muslims are fanatics, secular or atheists.
No evidence could possibly satisfy you, but I will give it a try. Many are leaving Islam as we speak because they know that Islam is false religion and will not lead them to God.
Source : http://wikiislam.net/wiki/People_Who_Left_Islam
Again, evidentially that is untruth. Islam never says that.
Obvious you are a liar here.
Technically, you are the one who is not qualified because you don't even have the absolute truth.
Like I said before, anyone who claims to know Absolute Truth is a liar and a false prophet. That include your Muhammad and now you. What is there to say to a liar? No truth will reach that mind of yours.
Per that claim, we can conclude that everything you have said cannot be used to find/know the truth.
Only thing we can conclude here is that you are a blind and deaf fool. |
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Mashimaru83, you are a fool to continue to believe in this Arabic nonsense called Allah and Islam. But then again, it is your choice, I really don't care. You will never find God, for that I'm certain. We have concluded our discussion here as it is USELESS to talk to a blind, deaf and foolish person such as you. |
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Post time 10-2-2014 12:30 PM
