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(MERGED) KERJAYA DALAM POLIS, TENTERA & APMM
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hmmm....nampaknya polisi kita mirip kepada RNR..ttp RNR mmg terus jadi Let DYA
Once Officers and Ratings have completed foundation and branch training, they are considered to have joined the Trained Strength of the RNR. Prior to this, they will have served as Midshipmen (age 17-20) or Sub-Lieutenants (age 20+). Thereafter promotion is by selection to Lieutenant Commander* (Major/Squadron leader equivalent), Commander (Lieutenant-Colonel/Wing Commander ) and Captain (Colonel/Group Captain). The highest appointment is the Commodore RNR (Brigadier/Air Commodore).
The Ratings' structure is equally competitive and rewarding. Once part of the trained strength, RNR Junior Ratings compete for promotion to Leading Hand (Corporal equivalent), Petty Officer (Sergeant) and Chief Petty Officer (Colour/Staff or Flight Sergeant). Some may achieve the top rank of Warrant Officer introduced in 2003. Opportunities exist for all Ratings to earn promotion to the commissioned ranks and most RNR Officers have risen up this way. http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/static/pages/5584.html
agak-agak berapa tahun jadi let DA sblm diplih utk naik pangkat? |
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I have different opinion when it comes to perks and qualifications of graduates in ATM.
I feel its better for any Bachelour degree graduate to begin at the rank of 1st Leftenant rather being given a commission as a Captain. There are a few concerns to my argument:
i) Leftenant is the basic commander in the Army. If the graduates are serious about a life in the military, it is imperative that they begin there. I am sure that TDM is still relying on RMC to produce 2nd Leftenants for filed commands, but this does not mean that graduates should be exempted from being platoon leaders.
ii) The problem in the commisssion is not the rank, its the salary scale for graduate officers in the military. By upgrading them the ir commission rank, we have deprived them of valuable expereince needed in the field.
With due respect, I dont see the need for Captains who cant do a task a Leftenant should perform.
R6 |
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agree with you R6.....but i guess an appropriate rank of 1st Lieutenant would also be more attractive to reservist grads, esp those of the older age since they may already hold ranking positions in civvie life...to lump them as 2nd or ag sub-lieutenant when they want to serve would be a disincentive, esp if they report to junior officers fresh out of college...as it is, even the palapes corp has not been a successful officer breeding ground exercise, at least to the level of ROTC or Military Academies elsewhere..
That is one reason why degree grads are now commissioned as Capts in the service, as otherwise it would not be so attractive servive, esp those who are bright scholars in this NCW age...
same as the reserves, if you want to attract good candidates, the same rule should apply...don't let the reserves become dumping grounds for less than stellar characters who can't fulfill their civilian lifes....let it be a matter of pride like the brits reservists and american national guards...
R6 just wanted to know yr opinion as an ex-comm reservists, if you re-enter the service now with a 2nd lieut rank vis-a-vis yr position now....what would you feel...
[ Last edited by mmc on 2-12-2004 at 09:03 AM ] |
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Dlm Angkatan tentera AS, semua graduan kecuali graduan bidang perubatan, pergigian, veterinary dan agama ditauliahkan sebagai Lt Muda tidak kira mereka graduan Akademi ataupun graduan IPT yg dilatih di OCS atau graduan ROTC. Ini bertujuan memberi pendedahan kpd mereka tugas pegawai muda di peringkat medan/platun (bagi US Army & Marine Corps). |
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iyep jazim, itu memang cara tradisi to join officer corps...saya rasa beza kita kerana salary scale saja kenapa kita kena naikkan entry rank kepada kapten, bukan field command....odd bukan...
ini saya ambik dari mindef punya website, tak pasti current atau tidak...
GAJI PERMULAAN PEGAWAI GRADUAN(LEFTENAN ATAU SETARAF)
Diploma - RM 1030.00
Ijazah Am - RM 1140.00
Ijazah Kepujian - RM 1215.00
Pangkat Setaraf Tangga Gaji (RM) Imbuhan Tetap Khidmat Tentera (RM)
Imbuhan Tetap Perumahan (RM)
Leftenan Muda 920.00 - 1272.00 115.00
420.00 -
Leftenan 1030.00 - 2369.00 115.00
420.00 -
Kapten 1350.00 - 3127.00 170.00
450.00 -
PEGAWAI TUGAS IKHTISAS
Kategori Pegawai Tugas Ikhtisas
Gaji(RM)
>> Perubatan/Pergigian
Ijazah Doktor Perubatan(Kapten dan Mejar)
Ijazah Doktor Pergigian(Kapten dan Mejar)
Ijazah Pembantu Veterinar(Kapten dan Mejar)
Ijazah Farmasi(Kapten dan Mejar)
RM 1779.00 - RM 3647.00
RM 1581.00 - RM 3647.00
RM 1164.00 - RM 3584.00
RM 1164.00 - RM 3584.00
>> Kejuruteraan
Ijazah Kejuruteraan(Kapten dan Mejar)
RM 1447.00 - RM 3639.00
>> Pelajaran
Ijazah Sarjana Muda dengan Pendidikan (Kepujian) atau Ijazah Sarjana Muda(Kepujian) serta Diploma Pendidikan - (Kapten dan Mejar)
Ijazah Sarjana Muda(Kepujian) - (Kapten dan Mejar)
Ijazah Sarjana Muda dengan Pendidikan(Am) atau Ijazah Sarjana Muda serta Diploma Pendidikan - (Leftenan)
Ijazah Sarjana Muda(Am) - (Leftenan)
RM 1360.00 - RM 3585.00
RM 1295.00 - RM 3585.00
RM 1230.00 - RM 3585.00
RM 1165.00 - RM 3585.00
>> Kor Agama Angkatan Tentera(KAGAT)
Ijazah Sarjana Muda(Kepujian) - (Kapten dan Mejar)
Ijazah Sarjana Muda(Am) - (Kapten dan Mejar)
RM 1290.00 - RM 3580.00
RM 1160.00 - RM 3580.00 |
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R6 just wanted to know yr opinion as an ex-comm reservists, if you re-enter the service now with a 2nd lieut rank vis-a-vis yr position now....what would you feel...
I would reconsider about joining the reserves again. Its hard to restart all over again.
In this case, the officer would just have to accept reality although I am sure the reserves is not as rigidly treated in the chain of command as the main army.
R6 |
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that's what i thought....its not really the rank..its the experience we bring that should be considered...don't expect to be in the front lines though many reservists did win honours in service... |
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A lot of thoughts have been given. Nothing much we can do about the present system in order to give them appropriate salary.
As far as possible, newly commision officers will be given as much field experiences as possible. Junior field appointments will be flexi-post to fit in their ranks.
The organization will as far as possible train them to commensurate with their rank. Whether they are up to the mark... its relative. |
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I think besides the rank, we have to realise that the social strata in Msia is becoming more and more narrow, thus, the need to extend perks and special commissions to graduates should be halted. Educational should be encouraged, but not at the expense of leadership quality and training.
As I said, its not the rank, its the salary scale. A better pay for a Leftenant would entice people to join the military better as well.
Perhaps we must measure that even today a private could understand the situation better and has some idea about defence and technology.
R6 |
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Originally posted by RainbowSix at 4-12-2004 15:46:
I think besides the rank, we have to realise that the social strata in Msia is becoming more and more narrow, thus, the need to extend perks and special commissions to graduates should be halted. E ...
Agree with you to many extend.
A review in the military salary scheme will involve other similar uniform organization and a general review. This is quite difficult as it is sponsored by different agency although it is censored by one. Further, it will appear to be taking a step backward.
If leadership and experience is the problem, they could be easily address appropriately and effectively by the organization. |
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he..he..he..
Originally posted by batu_bergolek at 19-11-2004 00:57:
saya nak tanya sikit, saya agak berminat utk join ATM tapi sekarang ni ambik diploma lanjutan computer engineering kat IPTS kat area KL. boleh ke saya join ATM.
kalo saya join, macam mana dengan ...
ko boleh masuk dalam area 'network centrix'... the newly born cawangan dalam ATM... kalau ko masuk mungkin diorang akan offer pangkat LT coz enkau ambik diploma jerk... tetapi kalau ko ada ijazah ko bleh dinaikkan ke pangkat mej...:ah: |
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Originally posted by venez at 6-12-2004 10:48:
ko boleh masuk dalam area 'network centrix'... the newly born cawangan dalam ATM... kalau ko masuk mungkin diorang akan offer pangkat LT coz enkau ambik diploma jerk... tetapi kalau ko ada ijaz ...
tanyer skit pasal network centrix dept aper, ? pasal networking komputer and cyber war ke ? |
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Originally posted by batu_bergolek at 6-12-2004 11:49:
tanyer skit pasal network centrix dept aper, ? pasal networking komputer and cyber war ke ?
yup... termasuk secure net toward command n control (pemerintahan angkatan bersama)... |
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Originally posted by jazim at 1-12-2004 11:09 AM:
Terdapat beberapa unit PSSTUDM di seluruh M'sia spt di TUDM KL, TUDM Alor Star, TUDM Kuantan, TUDM Bukit Lunchu (Johor) di mana rekrut2 PSSTUDM dilatih (pengambilannya sekali set ...
tambah sikit maklumat...
:: PASUKAN SIMPANAN TENTERA UDARA (PSTU)
:: PERANAN PSTU
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Originally posted by batu_bergolek at 6-12-2004 11:49:
tanyer skit pasal network centrix dept aper, ? pasal networking komputer and cyber war ke ?
search for NCW. you will know the subject and all you wants  |
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untuk adik2 yang berminat utk mendapatkan kerjaya dlm ATM kita
http://biasiswa.mod.gov.my/atmscholar/permohonan/syarat.php
1. Warganegara Malaysia yang berkelayakan adalah dipelawa untuk memohon Biasiswa Pra-Perkhidmatan Angkatan Tentera Malaysia (ATM) seperti berikut:
DALAM NEGARA
Pengajian peringkat Ijazah Pertama dalam bidang Pergigian dan Farmasi di Institut Pengajian Tinggi Awam (IPTA) Tempatan.
LUAR NEGARA
Pengajian Peringkat Ijazah Pertama dalam bidang Perubatan di Institut Pengajian Tinggi Luar Negara yang diiktiraf oleh Kerajaan Malaysia.
2. Syarat-syarat Kelayakan
SYARAT KELAYAKAN
Syarat Kelayakan
(a) Umur Tidak melebihi 23 tahun semasa tarikh iklan.
(b) Kelayakan Akademik Tiga (3) Prinsipal B di Peringkat STPM tahun 2003 dan berikutnys; ATAU
Tiga(3) Prinsipal C di peringkat STPM tahun 2002 dan sebelumnya; ATAU
PNGK 3.00 untuk program pengajian Perubatan dan Pergigian
DAN
Telah mendapat surat tawaran dari universiti.
(c) Kelayakan Tambahan Lima (5) kepujian di peringkat SPM dengan mendapat sekurang-kurangnya 4B dalam mata pelajaran Sains dan Matematik (Matematik, Matematik Tambahan, Fizik, Kimia, dan Biologi)
(d) Kesihatan Sihat keseluruhannya
(e) Ketinggian dan Berat Lelaki - 162sm dan 50 kg
Wanita - 157sm dan 45 kg
3. Biasiswa
Calon-calon yang berjaya akan diberi biasiswa mengikut kadar semasa yang ditetapkan oleh kerajaan.
4. Perjanjian
Calon-calon yang berjaya setelah menamatkan pengajian dan memperolehi Ijazah Pertama adalah dikehendaki berkhidmat sebagai Pegawai Tauliah Jangka Pendek di dalam Angkatan Tentera Malaysia. Tempoh perkhidmatan mengikut perjanjian adalah sepuluh tahun (10) tahun (atau mengikut syarat-syarat perkhidmatan yang berkuatkuasa semasa pertauliahan). Walaubagaimanapun calon-calon boleh memohon untuk menyambung tempoh ini. Calon-calon juga boleh memohon untuk menjadi Pegawai Tauliah Tetap dalam Angkatan Tentera Malaysia.
5. Cara Memohon
Permohonan hendaklah dibuat dengan mengisi borang yang boleh didapati di laman web ini. Borang yang telah dilengkapkan mengikut panduan dan arahan yang ditetapkan hendaklah dicetak dan dihantar bersama-sama surat tawaran universiti beserta salinan sijil-sijil yang disahkan ke alamat berikut:-
Cawangan Khidmat Tentera,
Bahagian Pengurusan Sumber Manusia,
Tingkat 2 (Pintu 2.07), Wisma Pertahanan,
Kementerian Pertahanan, Jalan Padang Tembak
50634 KUALA LUMPUR
Borang Permohonan yang lengkap hendaklah sampai ke alamat tersebut di atas pada atau sebelum 04 Julai 2005.
Untuk keterangan lanjut sila hubungi pihak urus setia di talian:
03-2071 5033 / 03-2071 5035 / 03-2071 4693
Permohonan calon yang akan disenarai pendek dan hanya calon-calon yang layak sahaja akan dipanggil untuk temuduga. Pemohon yang tidak menerima sebarang jawapan selepas 3 bulan dari tarikh tutup adalah dianggap tidak berjaya. |
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Originally posted by mmc at 20-6-2005 12:16 PM:
4. Perjanjian
Calon-calon yang berjaya setelah menamatkan pengajian dan memperolehi Ijazah Pertama adalah dikehendaki berkhidmat sebagai Pegawai Tauliah Jangka Pendek di dalam Angkatan Tentera Malaysia. Tempoh perkhidmatan mengikut perjanjian adalah sepuluh tahun (10) tahun (atau mengikut syarat-syarat perkhidmatan yang berkuatkuasa semasa pertauliahan). Walaubagaimanapun calon-calon boleh memohon untuk menyambung tempoh ini. Calon-calon juga boleh memohon untuk menjadi Pegawai Tauliah Tetap dalam Angkatan Tentera Malaysia.
1.Maksud Pegawai Tauliah tu aper? :hmm:
2.Kalo ade student medic/dentistry/pharmacy yg berminat nk jadik pegawai tauliah tu awal2 masuk kene kawad kaki ke?Ade kene ikut latihan military ker???
3.Ape ape je yg berlaku sejurus selepas mereka masuk ATM?
4.Lepas hsemanship baru wajib join ATM ke selama 10tahun plak??
5.Ape kelebihan berkhidmat di ATM?...elaun ke etc..
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TLDM kerjaya mulia
Oleh Fairuz Zaidan
MASIH ada lagi sebenarnya tanggapan sesetengah pihak bahawa kerjaya dalam bidang ketenteraan pasti berhadapan dengan situasi perang yang mencemaskan. Pendek kata, nyawa sentiasa di hujung tanduk!
Ketepikan segera pandangan negatif itu. Kerjaya ketenteraan pada hari ini sebenarnya tidak memerlukan seseorang 憁enggadai nyawa |
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ATM ada berbagai scheme.Kalau tak de diploma or ijazah, no problem.Ada Latihan Pegawai Kadet dalam semua perkhidmatan Darat, Laut dan Udara. Kalau ada, diploma boleh ditauliahkan (macam terima perlantikan dari Agong) sebagai Lt. Kalau ada Ijazah polisi sekarang Kapt tapi mungkin tergantung dengan keperluan dalam bidang yang khusus kerana ATM dah ada akademi sendiri.Kalau tak de ijazah tetapi akademiknya bagis boleh masuk ATMA full scholarship and pay plus you get a degree from UTM dan 10 tahun service obligation.Kalau medical and dentistry, tauliah sebagai Kapt.Kerja askar bukan kawad ajer.Itu semua istiadat aje.Ade banyak lagi kerja yang exciting that we do.Land Sea and Air.Pegawai muda sekarang lebih educated, and motivated and from all races. |
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Post time 1-12-2004 12:05 PM
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