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Originally posted by Archangel at 2005-5-19 08:54 AM:
Same like sparrow , i ask the same q : arent u an "absolute ONE " ? |
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SHALOM !
To Oreng :
NO. because i can be identified into hands, legs etc.
Then i guess u got confused when i said " YOU as obsolute ONE .
You are identifying "part of your body " , not part of YOU . When i said YOU as being whole body + your spirit .
YOU = BODY + SPIRIT
ps - unless we have different belief on what consitute human being . Then if that so , pointless to talk about it .
- ARCHANGEL - |
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I cannot be 'I' without all those parts. So, i am not absolute.
Your way of understanding ABSOLUTE is false. Your way can be extended to , say 5 trees. You can combine the 5 trees and treat it as ONE tree. This is different from understanding ABDOLUTE ONE as ONE with understanding ONE FIVE TREES, or ONE FAMILY, or ONE GROUP OF PEOPLE etc or ONE GROUP OF GODS.
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SHALOM !
To Oreng :
I cannot be 'I' without all those parts.
So let say , u involved in an accident , then u lost ur leg or ur arm . So are u trying to say , u are not "oreng" anymore , are u trying to say u become new " oreng" ?
U still can be the old oreng even if u lose one leg , or even both legs .
When i refer U as absolute ONE , i meant
Oreng = body + soul + spirit. Thats what u r ! Not just ur body .
So , you got confused when i refer to u as "absolute one " .
The tree example - i agree , it s not an absolute one . because there are 5 different threes combined as one BIG GROUp of tree . But u are different , you are not a combination of three different "you" , then you became one ORENG. are u trying to say , ur soul is different and ur body is different and your spirit s different then they combined together as YOU ? NO! Ur spirit is U , ur body is U , ur soul is U . But not three u's , but ONE U . Tnink !
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may be, my example of identifying legs, hands is not suitable for disabsoluting me, but to follow your example that me consist of physical, soul and spitit, this may suitable to show that i am not absolute because without one part, i cannot exist. |
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Originally posted by Archangel at 2005-5-19 05:02 PM:
The tree example - i agree , it s not an absolute one . because there are 5 different threes combined as one BIG GROUp of tree . |
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SHALOM !
To Oreng :
but to follow your example that me consist of physical, soul and spitit, this may suitable to show that i am not absolute because without one part, i cannot exist
The question is not whether u become extinct if u lose any part(of course , one day u will lose ur body and soul ) , the question is : when i referring to ORENG - do u differentiate urself into 3 things or as the ONE oreng ( that consists of the 3 ). It s like saying - now i m talking to you , oreng , so am i talking to ur body , ur soul or ur spirit ? NO , Im talking to ORENG as ONE ORENG ( body,soul and spirit ) . Get my point ?
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SHALOM !
To Oreng :
So you agree that god to you is ONE GROUP of 3 GOD ?.
Hmm.. immature conclusion. How did u end up having such conclusion , my friend > i didnt even connect the tree example with the Holy trinity .
The tree example - i agree , it s not an absolute one . because there are 5 different threes combined as one BIG GROUp of tree .
where did i conclude that God is one group of 3 gods ? gee.... poor thang .
- ARCHANGEL - |
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[quote]Originally posted by Archangel at 2005-5-20 10:36 AM:
Hmm.. immature conclusion. How did u end up having such conclusion , my friend > i didnt even connect the tree example with the Holy trinity . /quote]dont you notice my question mark ? i am asking you do you agree that god is a group of 3 god person ? |
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SHALOM !
To Oreng :
i am asking you do you agree that god is a group of 3 god person ?
Of course not ! What have i been explaining so far ? If u ask me such question , it only shows u never even understand what i have been trying to say .
A group of gods is totally different from holy trinity . Go check my explanation on the difference between 3 gods and Holy Trinity .
-ARCHANGEL- |
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So does it mean One for all and all for One?
Sounds like the threemusketeers.:lol |
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Originally posted by sparrow at 18-5-2005 04:43 PM:
i'm not sure if i understand your question correctly..
If i'm wrong, please explain.. what do you mean, by which one is Jesus?
Well... this is how we Christians see Jesus :
Firstly, w ...
nice post... but!
why god need body, all the while he is very powerful....
where the body now, as jesus was not on earth, and supposedly he only have spirit now (according to your argumentative). |
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i tot this question has been answered before. Jesus is God came down to earth, to die on the cross for our sins
How is it possible to die on the cross without a human body? Duh! |
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Originally posted by sparrow at 21-5-2005 08:27 PM:
i tot this question has been answered before. Jesus is God came down to earth, to die on the cross for our sins
How is it possible to die on the cross without a human body? Duh!
Duh , if god need human body , god is also like us. Ok now I understand Christian God is just normal human who need body to live and to die. Very simple. But wait if the god is human , what so special with the god. OOOO he can do magic , hmmm Now I wonder wether houdini also god , he can do magic also.
[ Last edited by anti_aktivis on 23-5-2005 at 10:25 AM ] |
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Originally posted by wira_melayu at 2005-5-21 06:17 AM:
So does it mean One for all and all for One?
Sounds like the threemusketeers.:lol
3 musketeers or 3 blind mice? hehe :gila: |
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lemme rewind
sing a song of 6 pence
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chritianity made up of 3 believers
unitarian christians believe in ONE N ONLY ONE GOD. they dont believe jesus is god neither do they believe holy spirit is god
twoness chritians believe in 2 gods in 1 twoness god. they believe jesus is god but they dont believe holy spirit is god
trinitarian christians believe in 3 gods in 1 trinity god. they believe jesus n holy spirit is god. father, jesus, holy spirit all roll into one trinity god who can be invisible n visible n also can eat n shit etc
3 blind mice 
peace |
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YOU FORGOT THE FOURTH BLIND MICE - THE MUSLIM. |
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Originally posted by anti_aktivis at 23-5-2005 10:20 AM:
Duh , if god need human body , god is also like us. Ok now I understand Christian God is just normal human who need body to live and to die. Very simple. But wait if the god is human , what so ...
Read above post again carefully... I didn't say that God needs a human bosy to live... i only said..
Reread the posts above,, it has been mentioned all along that God is a Spirit in nature. As a Spirit, of course God does not need a body to live,,, as He is already living all along,.. right from the beginning...
But then, as a Spirit, God does not die. (being Spirit.. God does not die.. Hence.. when Jesus died as a human.. He died in flesh....
Also, ... Jesus died, so that human, who believe in Him, can be forgiven of their sins. In order to believe in Him, human must first see and understand His death for us. If God did not come in a body form, Human won't be able to see and understand God dying for is,... and hence we won'
t be able to put our faith in Him.
So.. even thought if it is possible for God to die without a human body... still.. it isn't possible for MAN to see God if God didn't come in a human body. That, is a human's limitation.. not God's...
Get the idea? |
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Originally posted by sparrow at 23-5-2005 12:57 PM:
Read above post again carefully... I didn't say that God needs a human bosy to live... i only said..
Reread the posts above,, it has been mentioned all along that God is a Spirit in nature ...
Ur so called God , in order to make human believe him , the god himself must become man (because of god limitation to show his power to human). And then to make human believe the god also sacrifies , the god kill himself (nobody can kill god , right?) for sake of human .Hmmm such a lot of limitation for so call al mighty god. |
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Originally posted by anti_aktivis at 23-5-2005 01:33 PM:
Ur so called God , in order to make human believe him , the god himself must become man (because of god limitation to show his power to human). And then to make human believe the god also sacrifi ...
Not God's limitation - human's limitation. Human's limitation to see the power of God. |
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