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Originally posted by MENJ at 2004-9-30 09:31 AM:
You can misquote and rip the hadiths you cited out of its context all you want. I believe that there are tons of websites that answers your insinuated allegations, if you care t ...
What talkin' you?
How can i misquote and rip the hadiths? You should know how the hadiths works... its simple... its bits and pieces of hear-says. You can't mis-quote it...
I gave direct and the whole quote of the specified hadiths number. I didn't take only a small part of the hadith. You are accusing me of the things i didn't do.
How on earth can you say i misquote it. I know the hadith are humiliating to the readers and to you but thats not a good reason to lie.
I know Muhammad LIED about the Night Journey aka Al-Miraj to the imaginary heaven and hell.
Reasons
1) Its not logical.
2) Muhammad didn't go anywhere, he was asleep in his lady cousin's house that night.
3) If i am not mistaken, the islamic concept is  ead people stay dead until the Judgement Day or DoomsDay, where the dead will be brought back to life and then only they will be send to either heaven or hell for eternity. 
It seems like the story about the majority of women in hell was created by prophet Muhammad to belittle women and to scare them, so that they will obey him. And you what, it worked.
There is no myopia here... its quite clear.
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Originally posted by MENJ at 2004-9-30 09:33 AM:
nd next, we come to the issue of face-covering (niqab) which the Islamophobes in this thread are so fond of discussing. The simple fact of the matter is that there is NO CONSENSUS amongst scholars as regard to whether the face-cover is compulsory or otherwise. However, all agree that the hijab (or tudung as we call it here) is COMPULSORY.
No. Not all scholars agree with you... go and ask the Quran-Only "scholars" from submission.org.
Below is a statement according to this modern muslims
SUMMARY:
Quran is very clear about the dress code for the believers. Innovations and fabrication intorduced Hijab (veil) to Islam (submission.) Hijab (veil) is a traditional, not religious head cover that dates back to ancient civilizations, and is not supported or advocated by the Quran.
And we wonder why muslims are a confused lot.
Originally posted by MENJ at 2004-9-30 09:33 AM:
This is an issue which deals with the jurisprudence of Islam and DOES NOT CONCERN NON-MUSLIMS at all.
Do you really think it does not concern us... how about it will not concern us? Think again.
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Originally posted by neostream at 17-9-2004 02:37 AM:
alamak my fren
this also u want to ask
the arabs women cover their faces because of the sand storms in arab, (ribut padang pasir)
malaysia mana ada padang pasir...
padang bola ada la
and ...
haha..cute response..though not really right...to the best of my knowledge, its all about what u believe and dont.. |
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Well, face covering IS AN ISSUE AS IN SOME MUSLIM COUNTRIES LIKE PAKISTAN AND IRAN, uncovering your face in public means you are a loose woman,
And will attrack physical attacks from men in the street.
Yet like Egypt and Turkey, night clubs frequented by men have female dancers less dressed than you can imagine.
Any comment?
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Originally posted by nightlord at 2004-10-25 12:38 AM:
Yet like Egypt and Turkey, night clubs frequented by men have female dancers less dressed than you can imagine.
Any comment?
Belly dancing is not and was not promoted by Islam. It is a culture that has been there since 5,000 years ago, before the coming of Islam -- just like christmas is not a culture promoted by Jesus. However, compared to christmas, belly dancing is not in celebration of Islam or of any religion, whereas christmas is a celebration of the birth of Christ by christians.  http://radio.embassyofheaven.com/radio/T9851DP.htm
Belly dancing is an ancient dance style of North Africa and the Middle East that is believed to be at least 5000 years old. Traditionally, women and girls performed this dance in private for each other to celebrate the female spirit. They also danced during child labor, making belly dancing the only performance art with movements specifically aimed at easing childbirth. This practice has dwindled in the Middle East with the dominance of Western medicine, but it is becoming more popular among Western women. Belly dancing emphasizes intricate and isolated movements of the hips and rib cage, such as tracing distinct patterns like figure 8抯 and circles, or executing lifts and drops. Movements can be flowing or shimmying with posture and poise being of utmost importance. Young girls grow up learning the dance from mothers, grandmothers and other female family members. Dancing and music is part of every gathering and everyone from the toddler to the great grandmother participates.Movements in belly dance can be graceful and flowing or shaking and shimmying. Belly dancing is family entertainment. It is a dance that children can enjoy as well as older women and men.
The dance predates both Islam and the development of the culture that now dominates the Arabian Peninsula. With its origins firmly rooted as female ritualistic practice, belly dancing developed with a variety of styles simultaneously throughout the countries of the Near and Middle East over thousands of years (Egypt, Turkey, Iran, Iraq, India, etc.), where it is known as 揇anse Orientale |
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 lol I am sorry Kenkid but i have to laugh first.
YOU MAKE BELLY DANCING SO..........SO INNOCENT.
SORRY man, but everyone knows that belly dancing was to entertain male customers. And has evolved into a dance form and IS STILL BEING PRACTICED IN A MAJORITY MUSLIM COUNTRY.
SO ARE THESE PEOPLE MUSLIMS OR ANOTHER VERSION OF MUSLIMS?
WHY DIVIDE CULTURE AND RELIGION NOW when you have always insisted ISLAM is the way of life to be practiced strictly to the HIJAB code of dressing.:stp:
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KENNKID This user has been deleted
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Originally posted by nightlord at 2004-10-26 12:35 AM:
lol I am sorry Kenkid but i have to laugh first.
YOU MAKE BELLY DANCING SO..........SO INNOCENT.
SORRY man, but everyone knows that belly dancing was to entertain male customers. And ha ...
I am not defending belly dancing. Just stating the facts. If a certain race chooses to pride themselves over their non-Islamic culture which has its roots during the pre-Islamic age of ignorance (jahiliyya) despite the fact that they are Muslims, then who can you blame? Islam?
Take a look at your religion and their followers first Nightlord. They don't even know the difference between the age of ignorance or the age of enlightenment ~ because everything has remained the same ~ pre or post christianity - as paganistic as ever. You could point out on the belly dancing because there is something to compare to within Islam. Within your religion, there is nothing to compare to, unless one decides to become a catholic nun or a priest. ;)
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I am not laughing at Islam, I am laughing at you.:lol
Because until now you cannot distinguish between racial culture and religion.
Kenkid if you are Malay then please behave like a Malay. You dont have to follow the arabic culture to look Muslim because you will never be an ARAB however you choose to dress.
If you are a chinese muslim, then act accordingly as a chinese and behaving like a chinese who just happens to be muslim. You can speak chinese without being ashamed, you dont have to speak Malay to look like a muslim.
That is what is wrong is Malaysia. The muslims here dont know how to behave anymore.
But do you see the middle easterners having the same problems, nope, they just live and behave according to their culture yet they are very much muslim.
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Originally posted by nightlord at 2004-11-3 12:11 AM:
I am not laughing at Islam, I am laughing at you.:lol
Because until now you cannot distinguish between racial culture and religion.
Kenkid if you are Malay then please behave like a Malay. Yo ...
If you are a chinese, pls remain a chinese Nightlord. Even if you are a christian, pls don't think that you are a white man. Don't use christian names just to feel 'European' ok. You're still a chinese. From today onwards go back to wearing the traditional chinese shirt and pants just like Yap Ah Loy used to wear. Don't don western attire. Behave like a chinese. Don't speak English anymore.
And if you are an indian, pls remain an indian Nightlord. Even if you are a christian, pls don't think that you are a white man. Don't use christian names just to feel 'European' ok. You're still an indian. From today onwards go back to wearing the traditional Indian dothy or sari just like Mahatma Gandhi or the local chettiar used to wear. Don't don western attire. Behave like an indian. . Don't speak English anymore.
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Yeah Nightlord, shd women incl. grandmas walk in bikinis in the streets??? He he he. |
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Your comments really shows how narrow minded you are.
And again cant differentiate cultural from religious.
What has western clothing to do with religion or culture? Do I need to dress in a traditional garment to be who I am?
Do I need to speak only Malay to say I am Malay.
If I spoke to you in Tamil will you understand?
I speak English is to communicate with you. Or to anyone in the business world as English is the preferred international language for business. And the internet.
Duh. And I have to explain this to you. Like talking to a kid who thinks dressing up makes them holier than others.
You are definitely using half a brain this time.
Please wake up and smell the coffee, might wake up your brain abit.:lol
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Originally posted by nightlord at 2004-11-7 01:44 AM:
Your comments really shows how narrow minded you are.
And again cant differentiate cultural from religious.
What has western clothing to do with religion or culture? Do I need to dress in a t ...
My reply:-
What took you so long to respond to my post Nightlord? I see, you need time to reply but too bad you sound so disgusted & even humiliated by my post. No one bothers if our ladies walk in half-naked in the streets anyway. So why so upset with Muslim ladies wearing veils? |
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tak abis lagi ka topik ni?
christian nuns pakai tudung semua tak kecoh pun
org islam pakai tudung nak kecoh
:stp:
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Sorry BAD_DURI-an I was replying to Kenkid.
Your comment was too childish and illogical to answer.
And Neostream we were not discussing the tudung.
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Originally posted by nightlord at 25-10-2004 12:38 AM:
Well, face covering IS AN ISSUE AS IN SOME MUSLIM COUNTRIES LIKE PAKISTAN AND IRAN, uncovering your face in public means you are a loose woman,
And will attrack physical attacks from men in the ...
Can't really help but laugh at you lollol
Iran and Pakistan is an Islamic Republic but Turkey and Egypt are not,hope you got your facts right before you make a statements,you may be too busy typing or making wild guesses,can't really believe that you are so shallow about that issue till i personally reads it.Just look around you here in Malaysia,some womens did cover their faces and some don't,i don't have a problem with that but if you have then you may ask them personally if you show your concern like what you did over here.ha ha ha lol:lol
Oh yeah,i forgot one thing...since you really care about cover up the whole body or faces issue,let me ask you one thing.You ever been to any orang asli or any natives tribes conservation before?Or even any nude beaches in Europes or Americas?Let me find you a solution here,if you tends to visit one of the Natives Kutai conservation areas in Central Kalimantan,you will surely be asked by their people on why YOU dress up or try bring your mom,sister or wife to any nude beaches and told them to strip and see what is their immediate response?:nana::kant::kant::nana::nana: |
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ust look around you here in Malaysia,some womens did cover their faces and some don't,i don't have a problem with that but if you have then you may ask them personally if you show your concern like what you did over here.ha ha ha
so what you're saying is wearing a tudung is not a must...
so what's this all about...
KUALA LUMPUR, Tues. - Lawyer Karpal Singh has agreed to represent two families who are taking the Singapore Government to court over a ruling banning the use of the tudung by their children in public schools.
He will also challenge the Singapore Education Ministry and three public schools on the matter. Karpal said Singapore Muslim social activist Zulfikar Mohamad Shariff, representing the families, had contacted him earlier this month.He was commenting on a statement by Zulfikar that Faroukh Dawood and another man, Zulkifli Ali, both fathers of children affected by the ban, had approached him and two Singapore lawyers, Sadari Musari and Hussein Laitiff, to take the case to court.
Farouk's daughter, Khairiah, was suspended from the Eunos Primary School on Feb 11 for defying a ban on the use of the tudung. Zulkifli's daughter, whose is unavail able, had to leave a government school in 1998 when she reached Secondary Two as she was not allowed to wear the tudung.
MADRID, Sun. - Spanish education officials said yesterday that a young Moroccan girl will be able to return to school after her father pulled her out because her school forbade the traditional Muslim custom.
The regional education minister for Madrid Carlos Mayor Oreja said "there have been other precedents in Madrid of children schooled with veils" and there existed no legal norms forbidding the move.Conservative Education Minister Pilar del Castillo said she thought immigrants "must logically adapt themselves to Spanish customs" while Socialist opposition forces opposed the scarf because of women's rights.
Fatima "cannot go to school in a veil, because it's a humiliating act that discriminates against women and our constitution forbids it," spokesman Adolfo Navarro said.
Iraq militants seize two French journalists; demand end to headscarft ban
2004-08-29 21:08:42
Iraq militants give 48-hour ultimatum-- DOHA (AFP) - Two French journalists have been taken hostage in Iraq (news - web sites) by Islamic militants demanding the rescinding of a ban on the Islamic headscarf in French schools, the Arabic satellite news channel Al-Jazeera reported. The kidnappers from the Islamic Army in Iraq, the same group which killed Italian journalist Enzo Baldoni after taking him hostage, gave Paris a 48-hour ultimatum to meet its demands, the Qatar-based television said citing "our own sources in Iraq". The channel identified the kidnapped Frenchmen as missing journalists Christian Chesnot of Radio France Internationale, and Georges Malbrunot, of Paris daily Le Figaro and said it had received video footage of the two newsmen. The pair went missing on August 20 after leaving Baghdad for the Iraqi Shiite holy city of Najaf, where US forces were fighting Shiite Muslim militiamen. The group is demanding that "France rescinds within 48 hours the law banning" Islamic headscarves in schools, describing the law as "an injustice and an attack on the Islamic religion and individual freedoms," Al-Jazeera said. Kidnappings of journalists and other foreigners have become common in Iraq as insurgents attempt to force countries to withdraw their troops from the war-ravaged country or extort money. However, both Chesnot and Malbrunot's employers and Sunni Muslim scholars had earlier expressed faith that if they had been kidnapped they would be safe because France had opposed the US-led war against Iraq. Baldoni was killed after being held for a week, Al-Jazeera had reported and said it had a videotape showing the journalist after his execution, but decided not to release it as it would be too shocking for viewers. Al-Jazeera at the time quoted a statement attributed to the kidnappers saying the Italian had been slain under Islamic sharia law. Baldoni's captors had threatened to kill their hostage unless Italy withdrew its 3,000 troops from Iraq within 48 hours. The French legislation, passed in March amid much controversy and some overseas criticism, prohibits any ostentatious religious insignia, including Jewish skullcaps and large Christian crosses, in state schools and universities. The government introduced the law to stop what it saw as an increasingly radical stance by some students to assert their religious identity in schools in violation of a principle that such institutions should be strictly secular. But the legislation -- due to go into effect in September when classes resume -- was widely criticized in many countries in the Arab world, which said it was an example of blatant discrimination against Muslims. France is home to Europe's largest Muslim community, at about five million strong. |
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"so what you're saying is wearing a tudung is not a must..."
covering faces is different from wearing tudung... :gantuk: |
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Originally posted by kyas at 9-11-2004 02:05 PM:
"so what you're saying is wearing a tudung is not a must..."
covering faces is different from wearing tudung... :gantuk:
oopss...sorry wrong idea...but is wearing tudung a must???? |
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with all do respect...this is not an answer...
So here the answer to your question;
first try ask your daddy to walk around the streets with a blouse and a skirt,and ask him is wearing PANTS AND SHIRTS is a must??
why the anger...it's just a question...does it harm you if you say yes...or not...? |
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Post time 1-10-2004 02:32 AM
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