The Advent of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)

Debmey

all we can see is, muslism ahve abadoned muhamad as comforter.

cheers

gunblade712

mendap ker?

when will debmey answer our question, airfilter?

gunblade712

all we can see is that some Christian has just abandoned the Holy Spirit = Comforter idea.

airfilterkotor

Holy Spirit tak bisik apa-apa, jadi dia pun takdak idea apa yg dia nak cakap.
Abih kuat provoke orang lain.

gunblade712

that's the thing.. itulah masalah dia...

hey, it's Sunday.. maybe debmey's "Holy Ghost" tengah bercuti..

Debmey

isnt this thread about muhamad? Ahahahahahaha................

cheers

gunblade712

yeah.. it seems debmey has finally lost it.

airfilter, I think we've pressured debmey too much in that Holy Spirit thing..


oh dear..

Debmey

i must have won this debate, the muslim world have abandoned muhamad. ahahahahahahaha....................

cheers

gunblade712

oh dear...

now his delusional voice is telling him that he had somewhat "won" the "debate" ...

my oh my.. this is getting quite serious....

#491 goes unexplained by debmey....

mawarputeh

Regarding the Holy Ghost... let me explain from the view of the Muslims... though that is not my faith..if I may... based on what I have read...

It has been stated by Quran that... when you believe in Allah... when you fear Him... he will guide you and he will give you way out... or at least he will give you guidance to cleanse the inner of you... But... with that guidance... do Muslims are all in a SAME KIND OF THINKING???. Or do all Muslims guided to believe in him in A SIMILAR WAY???.

It is more on INDIVIDUALISTIC... because each human faces different kind of problems... therefore.. they tend to ask different kind of things from God..... Then... as per His promise... God answers the prayers of them... which were also to settle down the current problems.

So.. now... that is the role of the Holy Ghost... it gives guidance based on the problem of you... not A COMMUNITY.. different people may receive different guidance... but if we see INDIVIDUALLY... the people actually were guided... guided to settle their OWN problems..

Arguing each other doesn't mean that the community is not guided... because that is the natural characteristic of human... argue each other... if you can remember... in the Quran of yours... Allah said...in Surah Al-Mukminun...

airfilterkotor

Jangan anggap Holy Spirit itu sama macam petunjuk/hidayah dari Allah.

Petunjuk Allah tak duduk diam-diam dalam diri setiap umat islam, macam apa yang Holy Spirit buat.
Laennn tu....

Ahh....Holy Spirit tugasnya hanya untuk menyelesaikan masalah peribadi masing-masing saja kaa...?

Jadi untuk apa sebenarnya Jesus bercakap dalam John 16:12-13..?

Kalau nak ikutkan masalah peribadi masing-masing, kalau ada 1 bilion umat kristian, maka ada 1 bilion pendapat tentang tuhan lah...sedangkan sekarang pun ada yg kata 1 tuhan, 2 tuhan dan 3 tetapi 1 tuhan kristian.

Kalau tanya pada 5 orang kristian,
...apa pandangan mereka tentang hukuman yg patut dikenakan keatas perogol, pasti akan ada 5 jawapan yg berlainan.

Inikah ilham hasil kerja Holy Spirit...? Pastinya tidak.

Tapi setiap mereka sangat yakin,.....inilah kebenaran yg Holy Spirit bawa pada mereka.

airfilterkotor

Once again, dedicated to Sir Debmey.

What i've seen here, either his Holy Spirit :

1- is speechless.
2-dont want to speak to Debmey at this moment.
3-dont want to speak to Debmey anymore.
4-dunno what the heck is 'many things' are all about.
5-actually is a false spirit, hey...satan could do that.
6-or just his own 'delusion' nothing more.

'many things':
The only things that his holy spirit spoke to him:
1-Jesus is god.
2-Jihad is jahat.(bad)
3-I opt a gay priest rather than a terrorist.

[ Last edited by  airfilterkotor at 16-6-2009 01:59 ]

Debmey

i must have won this debate, the muslim world have abandoned muhamad. ahahahahahahaha....................

cheers

wlio_snr

Originally posted by airfilterkotor at 16-6-2009 01:57
Once again, dedicated to Sir Debmey.




'many things':
The only things that his holy spirit spoke to him:
1-Jesus is god.
2-Jihad is jahat.(bad)
3-I opt a gay priest rather than a ...

dia tu tak jawab puntekedu kot

mawarputeh

"Berjaga-jagalah dan berdoalah, supaya kamu jangan jatuh ke dalam pencobaan: roh memang penurut, tetapi daging lemah."(Matthew 26:41)

The spirit is with God's guidance... but the body is not... That is why we have different characteristics each other....though we may receive same guidance. The situations we have gone through... gradually change us either to worse or better...The Spirit of Truth a.k.a The Holy Ghost is giving guidance... but again it is based on the one who received...if he / she received the guidance... but then they don't follow... then... it is not a fault of the Holy Ghost.

In Islam... you also have different opinions between those four sections... Even Allah reminds you all that Islam will be divided into 73 sections....which is larger than Christians..later... So, should I say that you have 73 Allah that gives 73 different directions???.

gunblade712

seems like debmey here have abandoned the idea that Holy Spirit = Comforter.

Can't even explained the question, hence he resolve to provoking.

pity debmey...

gunblade712

why didn't you take the whole of the hadith, mawarputeh?

The hadith says that Islam will deviated into 73 sections, BUT ONLY ONE IS THE TRUE BELIEVER'S PATH.

mawarputeh

Yes... I know that... but the hadith did say that your religion will be divided into 73 different sections...

Same goes to Christian... for us... those who will be saved by the Lord Jesus Christ would be those who believe the Trinity. Those Mormons, SDA and etc are out of the list.

airfilterkotor

The spirit is with God's guidance...

Suppose the spirit need no guidence, coz he's already God.
The Father=Jesus=Holy Spirit aka Spirit of Truth aka Comforter.

...but the body is not... That is why we have different characteristics each other....though we may receive same guidance. The situations we have gone through... gradually change us either to worse or better...The Spirit of Truth a.k.a The Holy Ghost is giving guidance... but again it is based on the one who received...if he / she received the guidance... but then they don't follow... then... it is not a fault of the Holy Ghost.

But Jesus said The Spirit of Truth will bring you INTO ALL TRUTH.
The Spirit that you believed is dwelled amongst you the true christians.
Yet The Spirit had failed to bring all of you into all truth.

I've asked a simple questions, to whom who think that he/she had a spirit guidence..
..what are the 'many things' that The Spirit of Truth speaks to them..?
Each of them..?
To you..?

In Islam... you also have different opinions between those four sections... Even Allah reminds you all that Islam will be divided into 73 sections....which is larger than Christians..later... So, should I say that you have 73 Allah that gives 73 different directions???.

They believed Allah is their God Almighty. The One and Only. Still Allah is One.
They believed in Quran and Sunnah.
(dulu i ada cakap, kalau seseorang itu putarbelit Quran, pasti dia akan sesat walaupun dia muslim)
Hidayah from Allah is not like a spirit thingy, dwell among us. No.
Allah didnt gave them a different directions to worship Him, it is we as a human tend to do opposite from what god ask us to do.
This is a test to us.
This the reason god gave the law.
...and the existance of heaven and hell.

Contrary from the Christian, they have different kind of OPINION and BELIEF  about their own God.
1 god believer said they were inspired by the holy spirit.
2 god believer said the same thing.
So do the trinity.
What was that..?

mawarputeh

The spirit I am talking about was not the HOLY GHOST...but the spirits we have in our bodies.

That is why I said... God gave the guidance to those who believed in Him...but those who rejected Him... are totally out of the path