Is God comprise of One, Two Or Three. One God BUT TWO

kompia23

The hard fact is Jesus is God. This has been declared by Jesus Himself, and His coming has been proclaimed from old testaments through the prophet... HIs name is Immanuel meaning God is with us. A title that Jesus is God and now is with man.

He did not know the fact of the doomsday because it was blocked the the God the Father, when Jesus was reduced to mere human.

Jesus sitted on the right hand of God the Father not because He is lower than the Father. It's symbolized that Jesus has been exalted to the throne. Go read the bible so you would be able to understand better before making a bias statement like what you have done.

Regards

[ Last edited by  kompia23 at 1-6-2009 23:53 ]

Truth.8

Originally posted by satellite88 at 25-2-2008 17:01


Jesus juga suka budak-budak, sebab mereka tidak cakap bohong.

now days   kids lie also

satellite88

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 10-6-2009 23:47



now days   kids lie also

Nowadays are AngPow kids.

sonny~~

Originally posted by kompia23 at 1-6-2009 23:52
The hard fact is Jesus is God. This has been declared by Jesus Himself, and His coming has been proclaimed from old testaments through the prophet... HIs name is Immanuel meaning God is with us. A title that Jesus is God and now is with man.

if jesus is god he would have declared it loud and clear in the bible.  but he never did.  its trinity and twoness christians whoput 2 and 2 and makes 3 in 1 god or 2 in 1 god.  my favourite HARDproof to show he's no god is his own words - my lord, my lord why hast thou forsaken me?     

He did not know the fact of the doomsday because it was blocked the the God the Father, when Jesus was reduced to mere human.

nonsense.  god the father is god the son from trinitarian and twoness christians' viewpoints - supposedly one and the same god.  hence if jesus is god himself he would know when's doomsday.  there shouldnt be any knowledge hidden/blocked from him.  as it is, jesus is no god but man.

Jesus sitted on the right hand of God the Father not because He is lower than the Father. It's symbolized that Jesus has been exalted to the throne. Go read the bible so you would be able to understand better before making a bias statement like what you have done.

if jesus is god almighty himself, there's no point one and the same god sitting on the right or left.  simple commonsense should tell us that  

kompia23

if jesus is god he would have declared it loud and clear in the bible.  but he never did.  

I thought it was very clear and loud in the bible that Jesus stated He is the Son of God, which i assume you must be either blind or choose to be ignorance of the fact.

Luke 6:5; Then Jesus said to them, "The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath."
If Jesus is the Lord of Sabbath. Then, isn't Him God? since Sabbath is holy day to God.

my favourite HARDproof to show he's no god is his own words - my lord, my lord why hast thou forsaken me?

Your proof or just to satisfy your desire to decline the truth. Do remember Jesus is in the form of a human and at that time Jesus was bringing the entire sins of the world together with Him. Thus, the Father in heaven, turned away because He is holy and cannot tolerate sin.

nonsense.  god the father is god the son from trinitarian and twoness christians' viewpoints - supposedly one and the same god.

Nice view, but factual-less one. Let me give the hardPROOF so your view can be discarded once and for all.

Phil 2:5-11
  5 In your relationships with one another, have the same attitude of mind Christ Jesus had: 6 Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; 7 rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. 8 And being found in appearance as a human being, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death

sonny~~

Post Last Edit by kompia23 at 22-6-2009 16:09
I thought it was very clear and loud in the bible that Jesus stated He is the Son of God, which i assume you must be either blind or choose to be ignorance of the fact.

i'm no bible scholar likewise you.  what you do is to make assumptions while what i do is using simple commonsense.  jesus says he's son of god.  he NEVER says he's GOD.  NEVER.  and we're children of god.  that dont make us GOD.  think logically.

Luke 6:5; Then Jesus said to them, "The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath."
If Jesus is the Lord of Sabbath. Then, isn't Him God? since Sabbath is holy day to God.

that's your assumption ie since lord of sabbath is god then the son of man must be god.  that's dumb.  you should take his words at face value not putting 2 and 2 to make 3 trinity or 2 twoness.  if jesus is truly god he would tell us straight in the face - no innuendos, no assumptions, no beating around the bush.  that's simple commonsense.

Your proof or just to satisfy your desire to decline the truth. Do remember Jesus is in the form of a human and at that time Jesus was bringing the entire sins of the world together with Him. Thus, the Father in heaven, turned away because He is holy and cannot tolerate sin.

there you go with your assumptions.  lemme show you - Do remember Jesus (GOD) is in the form of a human and at that time Jesus (GOD) was bringing the entire sins of the world together with Him. Thus, the Father (GOD) in heaven, turned away because He is holy and cannot tolerate sin.  sounds dumb, right?  GOD in human form and GOD in heaven - supposedly one and same GOD in 2 places at ONE time.  sure god being almighty can be in several places at ONE time.  but simple commonsense should tell us god being almighty needs not have to be a man to save us from sin.  he can easily whack his creation devil in the head and rescue his creation man from his (devil) temptations pronto.

Nice view, but factual-less one. Let me give the hardPROOF so your view can be discarded once and for all.

Phil 2:5-11
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And I bring you back to John Chapter 1
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your socalled factual is cockeye.  at best the verses implied that jesus is god.  butt the bible is not about implications or hints or assumptions or innuendos.  it's the TRUTH.  and the truth is jesus never says he's god neither did god ever say jesus is god.  god tends to say - my son.  he never says jesus is god himself in man's outfit with penis and can be flogged by his creation man and die a man on cross.  listen - you gotta give me one verse which says jesus is god pointblank, not an implication or an assumption, and i'm gonna change my song.  okie dokie?
   
and let's see what we have here - 5 In your relationships with one another (GOD vs GOD), have the same attitude of mind Christ Jesus (GOD) had: 6 Who, being in very nature God (GOD), did not consider (GOD) equality with God (GOD) something to be used to his own (GOD) advantage; 7 rather, he (GOD) made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant (GOD), being made in human likeness (GOD). 8 And being found in appearance as a human being (GOD), he (GOD) humbled himself by becoming obedient (GOD) to death (GOD)?even death (GOD) on a cross (GOD) 9 Therefore God exalted him (GOD) to the highest place and gave him (GOD) the name that is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus (GOD) every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord (GOD),  to the glory of God the Father (GOD).

you see how dumb it sounds?  god talking about himself when he being almighty can easily get somebody else - his prophets etc to do do his bidding.  your assumption makes god trusting no one not even his prophets.  seems like he wanna do everything himself - he wanna become man jesus and die for man's sin etc.  and you make god a snob; he wanna praise himself - 9 Therefore God exalted him (GOD) to the highest place . . .

and here's another one - 1 In the beginning was the Word (GOD), and the Word (GOD) was with God (GOD), and the Word (GOD) was God (GOD). 2 He (GOD) was with God (GOD) in the beginning. 3 Through him (GOD) all things were made; without him (GOD) nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him (GOD) was life, and that life (GOD) was the light of all people. 5 The light (GOD) shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome [a] it.

    6 There was a man sent from God (GOD) whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light (GOD), so that through him all might believe. 8 He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light (GOD).

    9 The true light (GOD) that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10 He (GOD) was in the world, and though the world was made through him (GOD), the world did not recognize him (GOD). 11 He (GOD) came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him (GOD). 12 Yet to all who did receive him (GOD), to those who believed in his name (GOD), he gave the right to become children of God? (so they're GOD too?) 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God (GOD).

    14 The Word (GOD) became flesh (GOD) and made his (GOD) dwelling among us. We have seen his (GOD) glory, the glory of the one and only [Son] (GOD), who came from the Father (GOD), full of grace and truth.

sounds cockeye when you put jesus as god almighty himself right?  especially this -  the glory of the one and only [Son] (GOD), who came from the Father (GOD), right?  as i've said read the bible at face value.  no assumptions otherwise you're gonna blaspheme.

Not really, he is a God who became a mere human. Simple as that. Thus, depending on the Father (GOD) to assist Him (GOD).

sounds like much ado over thing right?  god assisting god??

There is a purpose for this because His task is yet from over. He is still the playing the role as the mediator (GOD) between God (GOD) and man, and He (GOD) has to come back to earth to judge human.

god almighty neednt come down to earth, he can do anything from up there.  with your kind of quotations no way you can convince unitarians that jesus is god.  

kompia23 Post at 22-6-2009 16:07 [/quote]

kompia23

#429 sonny~~

First thing first. Did you or did you not know that common sense is also a form of assumption? It may be right and may be wrong. For example, from your reply... you said I'm a bible scholar... you may did so because of the way i answered and my knowledge. Logically and commonsense tell you that. But to tell you the truth, I'm not a scholar at all. I never attended any bible school or seminary. My knowlege is based on what i gain from my years of learning from the bible, sharing by Pastor and reading books. Just an ordinary Christian. Do you get what I'm trying to say. Your common sense is as good as just an assumption.

jesus says he's son of god.  he NEVER says he's GOD.  NEVER.

Now, who is this Son of God then? A human or God?

Mat 1:23; "The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel" [ Isaiah 7:14] —which means, "God with us."

John 6:51; I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world."

John 8:23; But he continued, "You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.

John 8:58; "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"

John 14:10-11; 10Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves.

that's your assumption ie since lord of sabbath is god then the son of man must be god.  that's dumb.

My assumption or hard fact?

Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the LORD your God.

Exo 31:13; "Say to the Israelites, 'You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the LORD, who makes you holy.

Leviticus 19:30; " 'Observe my Sabbaths and have reverence for my sanctuary. I am the LORD.

I can continue if you want.

if jesus is truly god he would tell us straight in the face - no innuendos, no assumptions, no beating around the bush.

He already placed it so many places in the bible, you are the one chosen not to believe.

sounds dumb, right?

You  use common sense right? So does is sound dumb to you that think you are using commonsense which in a way also an assumption.

but simple commonsense should tell us god being almighty needs not have to be a man to save us from sin.  he can easily whack his creation devil in the head and rescue his creation man from his (devil) temptations pronto.

True, but commonsense tell me if I'm God, I would wipe out all the human out of existence and restart again. But I'm not God, so my commonsense is not commonsense to Him.

at best the verses implied that jesus is god

So, you do take the fact shown Jesus is God. Good.

it's the TRUTH.  and the truth is jesus never says he's god neither did god ever say jesus is god.  god tends to say - my son.

Of course, God called Jesus my Son because that the title given to Jesus. And as you know or don't want to know. The verses also imply that Jesus existed way before Adam. Thus, not a man because God created first man Adam. Now go and look into your commonsense box.

he never says jesus is god himself in man's outfit with penis and can be flogged by his creation man and die a man on cross.

Rough wording but what to do with you. God did said that there will be a Saviour, God with us to free the Israelites. Go read the bible more. There many written prophecy about Jesus.

you gotta give me one verse which says jesus is god pointblank, not an implication or an assumption,

I given you Phil 2:6. And I gave you John Chapter 1. Now, I given more verses above. Do you want more??

as i've said read the bible at face value.  no assumptions otherwise you're gonna blaspheme.

You are conducting blaspheme against God, bro. Saying God has not power to do what He already did through Jesus. Do remember, I did info you before, Jesus is God in the form of man which has given up all His authority as God. Thus, leaving Him relying on God the Father. You would be able to think more logically in that situation. Plus, do put in your mind also God can be in two entity at the same time. Don't just keep yourself in a box that God can be one only, and should not do that, should not do this. You are not God and you should not assume. Also, don't be a hypocrite, asking people not to assume but you yourself are doing the same.  

Thus, for your assumption, when you refer to Jesus, you should put (God in form of man). And then for God in heaven, you should put (God the Father). Then you would be able to see a clearer picture.

sounds like much ado over thing right?  god assisting god??

Why not? You do help yourself up when you fall right? Or you just stay down until someone pick you up.

god almighty neednt come down to earth, he can do anything from up there.

Yes, i agreed. But He can choose to do so, right. So, your assumption is totally illogical. God was with Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. Did God need to do so. Not really right? But he did.

with your kind of quotations no way you can convince unitarians that jesus is god.

Huuuhh... I also believe in one God. So do i need to do so?? You disagreed with my point because you can't accept God in human form; being weak and vulnerable. Because based on your commonsense aka assumption, God must be strong, unbreakable, powerful, awesome.. He is and can choose not to be if that is His choice. Think outside the box.

Regards

sonny~~

430# kompia23

First thing first. Did you or did you not know that common sense is also a form of assumption? It may be right and may be wrong. For example, from your reply... you said I'm a bible scholar... you may did so because of the way i answered and my knowledge.

you're mistaken dude, i didnt say you're a bible scholar.  i said you're NOT a bible scholar like me - i'm no bible scholar likewise you..

the dict says COMMONSENSE is "sound judgment not based on specialized knowledge; good reasoning" whereas ASSUMPTION is "something taken for granted or accepted as true without proof".  the meanings are different and you know it.  there are people out there who said that too much assumptions gonna make one an "ass", you know - ASSumption.  anyhow back to the issue.

Now, who is this Son of God then? A human or God?

Mat 1:23; . . . .  

the quotations imply jesus is god.  but overall the bible tells us jesus is NOT god coz more often he's talking to the father - OUR father.  if you said jesus is god then you're treating god as split personality.  before you jump at me, let's check the dict.  

the dict says IMPLY is "conveyed indirectly without words or speech" and SPLIT PERSONALITY is "relatively rare dissociative disorder in which the usual integrity of the personality breaks down and two or more independent personalities emerge".

let's take your quotation and compare with another -
John 14:10-11; 10Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves.

Matthew 27:46, Mark 15:34; My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

jesus says "The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work", right?  and if jesus is god then he must be talking to himself when he calls out "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me", right?  in other words you're implying trinity or twoness god has split personality when you assume jesus and holy spirit are god (trinity)/jesus is god and not holy spirit is god (twoness).

god is all knowledgeable.  he knows there's gonna be people out there who's gonna turn his son jesus into god himself.  so he makes sure the bible talks about jesus communicating with him, praying and crying for him - the one and only one god, till he died.  so if you said jesus is god, then it's gonna look like your god has split personality - god calling out to god for help as socalled god jesus calling for help to god the father.  

PS. yo, i'm gonna make my reply in 3 posts for easy reading and comprehend.  

sonny~~

CONTINUE - PART 2

My assumption or hard fact?

Exo 20:10 . . . .

your assumption and NOT hardfact as i've explained earlier.

He already placed it so many places in the bible, you are the one chosen not to believe.

you know jesus did say he's god - Ezekiel 34:31 You my sheep, the sheep of my pasture, are people, and I am your God, declares the Sovereign LORD. and i still refuse to think him as god.  you know why?  coz i'm gonna imagine almighty god having penis, can pizz and sh1t and cries out in pain and being murdered by his creation jews and died in agony.  dont make sense, right?   

You  use common sense right? So does is sound dumb to you that think you are using commonsense which in a way also an assumption.

COMMONSENSE and ASSUMPTION convey different meanings as i've shown earlier.

True, but commonsense tell me if I'm God, I would wipe out all the human out of existence and restart again. But I'm not God, so my commonsense is not commonsense to Him.

simple commonsense gonna tell you there should be valid reason why god needs to be in 3 or 2 persons/entities/parts etc to save man from sins.  and it shoud be stated clearly in the bible.  but there's none there, right?  in other words, you're making it up this trinity/twoness thing.  

So, you do take the fact shown Jesus is God. Good.

the word IMPLIED dont mean HARDfact as i've explained earlier.

Of course, God called Jesus my Son because that the title given to Jesus. And as you know or don't want to know. The verses also imply that Jesus existed way before Adam. Thus, not a man because God created first man Adam. Now go and look into your commonsense box.

well, both adam and jesus dont begin from a sperm.  that's a HARDfact.  adam is our father on earth.  that's another HARDfact.  butt jesus is not our father on earth nor in heaven and the bible says so.  in other words it's trinity and twoness who twist his teachings into saying he's god himself who needs to be born from his creation mary, to be killed by his creation jews inorder to save his creation mankind from his creation satan.  sounds crude.

Rough wording but what to do with you. God did said that there will be a Saviour, God with us to free the Israelites. Go read the bible more. There many written prophecy about Jesus.

look at your sentence - God did said that there will be a Saviour, God with us to free the Israelites..  why dont you rephrase it to - god did say he will change into a man to free jews?  as you can see you cant escape from elaborating that god, jesus and holy sprit are three entirely separate persons and not 3 in 1 person/2 in 1 person.  

CONTINUE

sonny~~

CONTINUE - PART 3

I given you Phil 2:6. And I gave you John Chapter 1. Now, I given more verses above. Do you want more??

dont think i want my god to look like a man coz he's gonna be sexist worse gay (he dont look like a woman), distrustful coz he couldnt trust his prophets to carry out his teachings successsfully, greedy coz he wanna do everything himself etc.
   

You are conducting blaspheme against God, bro. Saying God has not power to do what He already did through Jesus. Do remember, I did info you before, Jesus is God in the form of man which has given up all His authority as God. Thus, leaving Him relying on God the Father. You would be able to think more logically in that situation. Plus, do put in your mind also God can be in two entity at the same time. Don't just keep yourself in a box that God can be one only, and should not do that, should not do this. You are not God and you should not assume. Also, don't be a hypocrite, asking people not to assume but you yourself are doing the same.

i dont ASSume dude and you know it.  i read the bible as direct plain truth no indirect interpretations/assumptions/implications/innuendos.  indeed god has the power to do anything on earth, in the universe, anywhere.  but simple commonsense should tell you and as i've said earlier that there's no point for god to switch into man when he can create prophets to do his bidding.  you're degrading god and that's blasphemous.

and dont talk about thinking out of or inside the box.  the bible NEVER said there is one god in 3 or 2 entities.  it says and the commandments say it too that there's ONE AND ONLY ONE GOD not ONE GOD in 3 or 2.

give me one good reason why god needs to change to man to save us?  why?   

Thus, for your assumption, when you refer to Jesus, you should put (God in form of man). And then for God in heaven, you should put (God the Father). Then you would be able to see a clearer picture.

much ado over nothing right? there's supposedly god in heaven, god in the form of man jesus on earth and god in the form of holy spirit.  and they're talking to one another indicating they're having split personality.  right?

Why not? You do help yourself up when you fall right? Or you just stay down until someone pick you up.

you're talking donkey dude.  i as a man i pray NOT to another man but to god.  but trinity says jesus as god prays to another jesus in the form of god the father.  see?  you treat your god like man but me i treat my god as divine.

Yes, i agreed. But He can choose to do so, right. So, your assumption is totally illogical. God was with Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. Did God need to do so. Not really right? But he did.

sure god can be everywhere and anywhere but he neednt be in the form of man to be among us and you know it.  you create god to become and interchange in 3 or 2 and that dont make sense.

Huuuhh... I also believe in one God. So do i need to do so?? You disagreed with my point because you can't accept God in human form; being weak and vulnerable. Because based on your commonsense aka assumption, God must be strong, unbreakable, powerful, awesome.. He is and can choose not to be if that is His choice. Think outside the box.

why should almighty god wanna be weak and vulnerable?  why should he think outside the box and must become his creation man to save his creation us from his creation satan?  and why should i think outside the box and wanna accept that almighty god wanna become like me to save me from temptations?  your explanation holds no water and you know it.  

kompia23

#431- #433 sonny~~

you're mistaken dude, i didnt say you're a bible scholar.  i said you're NOT a bible scholar like me - i'm no bible scholar likewise you..

My bad… miss out on the “wise” part. I apologize for that.

the dict says COMMONSENSE is "sound judgment not based on specialized knowledge; good reasoning"  

Thus, on what did your sound judgment is based on? Thin air? or proof & facts or knowledge from the past. So, again your commonsense is also just mere assumption which is without any proof or knowledge to support it. Furthermore, as I already stated your way of thinking may be different from my thinking because of our history and lifestyle. What sound like commonsense to you may sound not to others. And this is not hardfacts.

ASSUMPTION is "something taken for granted or accepted as true without proof".  the meanings are different and you know it.  

Well said, so my words are not assumption but hardfacts. Because it is based on the bible which has been in existence for the past two thousand years and the history of the world also uphold it.

but overall the bible tells us jesus is NOT god coz more often he's talking to the father - OUR father.

Did the bible tells you that Jesus is not God. It did not. Your so called commonsense tell you so because you want to believe it so. debunk me by giving me a verse in the bible that stated that Jesus is not God, not based on assumption or commonsense but on hardfact.

SPLIT PERSONALITY is "relatively rare dissociative disorder in which the usual integrity of the personality breaks down and two or more independent personalities emerge".

I kinda pity you to imply that God is so weak that He cannot transform Himself into two different entity at the same time, at the same place. Have to follow your so called commonsense.

jesus says "The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work", right?

I believe you still did not get it, when I already informed you that Jesus has let go of His divinity authority as God and become mere human. Thus, as a mere human, He of course needs to consult the Father.

Regards

kompia23

Continue...

  if jesus is god then he must be talking to himself when he calls out "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me", right?

Did you or did you not talk to yourself before? You can do so and disallow God to do the same. But what I want to emphasize here is not that but the fact that Jesus became man, thus it is the right thing to do as an example to the rest to talk to God.

Also, just for your info – this happens also to fulfill the prophecy in the Old Testament.  

so if you said jesus is god, then it's gonna look like your god has split personality - god calling out to god for help as socalled god jesus calling for help to god the father.  

I know my God knows the end of the story already because He is the author of it. He is not bound by time. So, he already see what happens at the end.

your assumption and NOT hardfact as i've explained earlier.

My view is not assumption at all because they are all based on factual written words in the bible aka proof. Thus, how can it be an assumption since there is proof.

and i still refuse to think him as god.  you know why?  coz i'm gonna imagine almighty god having penis, can pizz and sh1t and cries out in pain and being murdered by his creation jews and died in agony.  dont make sense, right?

Don’t make sense or you are making fun of the Creator? You a creation are setting rules to the Creator. That indeed doesn’t make sense. Creator is Creator. He is powerful and He can do ANYTHING, He wanted.. including pizz and sh!t as you said if He chosen to.

Thus, I have to totally disagree with your argument here.

simple commonsense gonna tell you there should be valid reason why god needs to be in 3 or 2 persons/entities/parts etc to save man from sins.  

Simple commonsense is that God is loving and willing to get down to our level to save us.

and it shoud be stated clearly in the bible.  but there's none there, right?  in other words, you're making it up this trinity/twoness thing.

I thought it is clearly written in the bible if not, we would not be having this discussion.

regards

kompia23

Continue..

well, both adam and jesus dont begin from a sperm.  that's a HARDfact.

How did you know? Are you there when it happens. You are basing on words written in the bible as reference. Thus, why not accept the rest as HARDFACTS also. If not, you are just a hypocrite.

sounds crude.

Sound crude because you choose not to believe. But you know the HARDFACTS aka bible are already there.

why dont you rephrase it to - god did say he will change into a man to free jews?  

He did said so… if you really do read all the verses that I have given to you.

as you can see you cant escape from elaborating that god, jesus and holy sprit are three entirely separate persons and not 3 in 1 person/2 in 1 person.

I believe they are all in one, and one in all. If you can believe God can be everywhere at the same time, why not believe in the three forms, He chosen to present Himself.

dont think i want my god to look like a man coz he's gonna be sexist worse gay (he dont look like a woman), distrustful coz he couldnt trust his prophets to carry out his teachings successsfully, greedy coz he wanna do everything himself etc.

You kinda miss the boat there. God entrusted to the prophets to do His biddings and they delivered it successfully, but the root of sins is there and no man in the world would be able to uproot it except God Himself. A blameless person without sin.

i read the bible as direct plain truth no indirect interpretations/ assumptions/ implications/ innuendos.

On what basis? to look for errs and something to satisfy your desire to deny the truth. You are being bias bro… The plain truth is there is not a single verse in the bible that stated that Jesus is not God. Take that into your consideration. Other than that are all your assumptions.. baseless ones. This is not an assumption but HARDfact.

commonsense should tell you and as i've said earlier that there's no point for god to switch into man when he can create prophets to do his bidding.  you're degrading god and that's blasphemous.

Commonsense tells me that it is easier for God to come to man, than man to go to God. Or you want to argue on this.

Regards

kompia23

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the bible NEVER said there is one god in 3 or 2 entities.  

Are you sure??? Go read Genesis Chapter 1. God refer to Himself as they, us. Go read John Chapter 1… Jesus is the Word of God and existed before the human being was created… And then go read Acts Chapter 1, see that Jesus promised the Holy Spirit, not angels.

give me one good reason why god needs to change to man to save us?  why?

Because all man are sinners. No blind man can lead other blind men.

there's supposedly god in heaven, god in the form of man jesus on earth and god in the form of holy spirit.  and they're talking to one another indicating they're having split personality.  right?

I would not call that split personality, because they all have the same purpose that is  to show the World that God loves them. As I already clarify before they are all in one, and one in all…

i as a man i pray NOT to another man but to god.

So, who is your God then? How is He like? What are His characters? What is His purpose for mankind?

but trinity says jesus as god prays to another jesus in the form of god the father.  see?  you treat your god like man but me i treat my god as divine.

Yo bro, I treat my God as my Saviour and Lord. And because He loves us so much, he chosen to humble Himself to become a man.

sure god can be everywhere and anywhere but he neednt be in the form of man to be among us and you know it.  

I already given you few example that God did came to the earth in the form of man, one to visit Abraham, second to wrestle with Jacob. Did God have to do so? Not really, but He chosen to do so. Get it.. You are not God, thus, you cannot dictate what God cannot do and can do.

why should almighty god wanna be weak and vulnerable?  

Are He weak and vulnerable?? I believe not. Go read Mat Chapter 4. God the Father is watching over Jesus all the way to the cross.

and why should i think outside the box and wanna accept that almighty god wanna become like me to save me from temptations?

Because you are a sinner.

  your explanation holds no water and you know it.

Wow…Putting your words for me… Let me tell you this.. All my explanations are based on the bible. Did it hold no water? I don’t mind that because to me and my fellow Christians, bible holds the truth.

Regards.

P.s : Don’t judge others, or you will be judged the same way.

sonny~~

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Thus, on what did your sound judgment is based on? Thin air? or proof & facts or knowledge from the past. So, again your commonsense is also just mere assumption which is without any proof or knowledge to support it. Furthermore, as I already stated your way of thinking may be different from my thinking because of our history and lifestyle. What sound like commonsense to you may sound not to others. And this is not hardfacts.

my sound judgement ie COMMONSENSE is based on cold HARDfacts.  the dict says COLD HARDFACTS means "firm, settled, definite, hard data" whereas ASSUMPTION means as i've mentioned before "something taken for granted or accepted as truth without proof".  one example - Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.  (NIV Bible, Deuteronomy 6:4).  the verse didnt say "the LORD is one in 3 gods or 2 gods", right?  inother words your assumption that god is in 3 or 2 is based on your acceptance that trinity/twoness is the truth without any HARDproof.  right?
  

Well said, so my words are not assumption but hardfacts. Because it is based on the bible which has been in existence for the past two thousand years and the history of the world also uphold it.

wrong.  ASSUMPTION and HARDfact convey different meanings as i've explained earlier.  mark you, trinity is approved only after lengthy heated squabbling in the general council of the church at ephesus in 431 (need to confirm).  there's no trinity in the old testament neither it's in the new testament.  jesus never said god comprises of 3 gods in 1 god or 2 gods in 1 god.

Did the bible tells you that Jesus is not God. It did not. Your so called commonsense tell you so because you want to believe it so. debunk me by giving me a verse in the bible that stated that Jesus is not God, not based on assumption or commonsense but on hardfact.

indeed jesus denied he's god.  one HARDfact - jesus said "Why do you call me good? - No one is good except God alone" (NIV Bible, Mark 10:18).  simple COMMONSENSE gonna tell you jesus denied he's god otherwise he would say "no one is good except god in 3 or 2", right?

I kinda pity you to imply that God is so weak that He cannot transform Himself into two different entity at the same time, at the same place. Have to follow your so called commonsense.

the HARDpoint is why must god wanna transform himself in 2 or 3 entities to save his creation man from his creation satan's temptations?  simple COMMONSENSE gonna tell you that it dont make sense he wanna switch into 2 or 3 gods when he being almighty can verily banish his creation satan unto hell along with his temptations pronto or sent his creation son and prophets to do his biddings on earth.

I believe you still did not get it, when I already informed you that Jesus has let go of His divinity authority as God and become mere human. Thus, as a mere human, He of course needs to consult the Father.

and you're in deep confusion.  just look at your statement -  Jesus (GOD) has let go of His divinity authority as God (GOD) and become mere human (STILL GOD IN MAN'S CLOTHINGS). Thus, as a mere human, He (STILL GOD BUT IN MAN'S CLOTHINGS) of course needs to consult the Father (GOD).  that looks like split personality.  trinity is 3 gods in one god, right? on the other hand  one split personality case may consist of  3 persons in 1 person.  as you can see - one god our father is talking to himself in the form of man jesus whereas one split personality case say a politician is talking to himself who supposedly say a surgeon.  sounds similar, right?  

sonny~~

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Did you or did you not talk to yourself before? You can do so and disallow God to do the same. But what I want to emphasize here is not that but the fact that Jesus became man, thus it is the right thing to do as an example to the rest to talk to God.

why god wanna talk to himself?  he's almighty right?  why must he wanna behave like his creation - talking to himself, wanna pizz, wanna make love err wanna feel hungry etc?  at times you wanna get drunk, right?  do you see president obama gets drunk much less god?  how you talk man.

Also, just for your info – this happens also to fulfill the prophecy in the Old Testament.

so what?  dont make sense god wanna pray and cry out to himself.  looks foolish.

I know my God knows the end of the story already because He is the author of it. He is not bound by time. So, he already see what happens at the end.

sounds silly.  our father god knows he's gonna be murdered by his creation jews who are supposedly his chosen people.

My view is not assumption at all because they are all based on factual written words in the bible aka proof. Thus, how can it be an assumption since there is proof.

let's take a look at this - Matthew 3:16-17 (New International Version) - 16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him. 17 And a voice from heaven said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.".  simple COMMONSENSE gonna tell you to accept it as it is ie jesus is god's son like all of us - we're god's chidren.  but you gonna take it for granted (ASSUMPTION) without HARDproof that the verses are about trinity.  i dont see god says - this is myself in the form my son jesus neither did he say the dove is myself in the form holy spirit.  you're putting 2 and 2 to make 3.

Don’t make sense or you are making fun of the Creator? You a creation are setting rules to the Creator. That indeed doesn’t make sense. Creator is Creator. He is powerful and He can do ANYTHING, He wanted.. including pizz and sh!t as you said if He chosen to.

why almighty god wanna choose to pizz and shit, to go through foetus to adulthood to save his creation man from his creation satan?

Thus, I have to totally disagree with your argument here.

likewise me with your assumption argument.

Simple commonsense is that God is loving and willing to get down to our level to save us.

so why the need for god to create prophets when he wanna do everything himself?  why must he wanna show his love to his creation man by making himself into foetus then delivered through his creation mary and grew up into adulthood and later murdered by his creation jews before he could save his creation man from his creation satan?  your argument is goind round and round likewise my answers.  hehe  

I thought it is clearly written in the bible if not, we would not be having this discussion.

nope.  there's no HARDproof about trinity/twoness in the bible, that's why we have this discussion.  

sonny~~

come back later okie dokie   :kant:

sonny~~

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How did you know? Are you there when it happens. You are basing on words written in the bible as reference. Thus, why not accept the rest as HARDFACTS also. If not, you are just a hypocrite.

indeed i accept the bible as HARDfacts.  it's you who puts 2 and 2 to make 3 gods in 1 god or 2 gods in 1 god.  and certainly both adam and jesus DONT begin from a sperm - adam from dust (Genesis 2:7) and jesus through holy spirit (Matthew 1: 18-23).  or are you implying jesus is conceived via holy spirit sperm?

Sound crude because you choose not to believe. But you know the HARDFACTS aka bible are already there.

the HARDfact is jesus indeed called for god's help.  but if you think jesus is god and god is jesus, then it's gonna look like god has split personality - god calling for help to himself.  and that sounds crude - Matthew 27:46, Mark 15:34 - My God, my God, why hast thou (GOD) forsaken me (GOD)?

He did said so… if you really do read all the verses that I have given to you.

really?  are you saying all the verses that you pasted did state outright that god did say he will change into a man to free jews?

I believe they are all in one, and one in all. If you can believe God can be everywhere at the same time, why not believe in the three forms, He chosen to present Himself.

why should i believe god in three forms when it's not stated in the bible?  it's trinitarians and binitarians who are making trinity/twoness up.

You kinda miss the boat there. God entrusted to the prophets to do His biddings and they delivered it successfully, but the root of sins is there and no man in the world would be able to uproot it except God Himself. A blameless person without sin.

why god wanna become man to uproot the root of sins when he can do it without being one?  sure you gonna say it's god's wish to become man to uproot the root of sins.  well, that kind of wish gonna make god into a snob.  get the right definition of snob ok

On what basis? to look for errs and something to satisfy your desire to deny the truth. You are being bias bro… The plain truth is there is not a single verse in the bible that stated that Jesus is not God. Take that into your consideration. Other than that are all your assumptions.. baseless ones. This is not an assumption but HARDfact.

indeed the bible is full of verses that tell you jesus is NOT god.  here's contradicting verses that gonna tell you just that - John 10:30-31 - I and my Father are one; John 14:28 -  My Father is greater than I..  why the contradiction?

Commonsense tells me that it is easier for God to come to man, than man to go to God. Or you want to argue on this.

why god wanna come to man with penis and all than being among us invisible?  stick to the thread dude otherwise start a new one on -  Commonsense tells me that it is easier for God to come to man, than man to go to God. do tie it up with trinity/twoness.  

sonny~~

one more to go.  

sonny~~

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Are you sure??? Go read Genesis Chapter 1. God refer to Himself as they, us. Go read John Chapter 1… Jesus is the Word of God and existed before the human being was created… And then go read Acts Chapter 1, see that Jesus promised the Holy Spirit, not angels.

let's see john 1 - 1:13 – children not born by human parents or by human desire or a husband’s decision (GOD), but by God .  1:14 Now the Word (GOD) became flesh (GOD) and took up residence among us. We saw his glory (GOD) – the glory of the one and only, full of grace and truth, who came from the Father (GOD).  . . . . 1:18 No one has ever seen God. The only one, himself God, who (GOD) is in closest fellowship with the Father (GOD), has made God  known.  . . . .  1:33 And I did not recognize him, but the one who sent me to baptize with water said to me, ‘The one on whom you see the Spirit (GOD) descending and remaining – this is the one who baptizes with the Holy Spirit (GOD).’ 1:34 I have both seen and testified that this man is the Chosen One of God.”  . . . . 1:49 Nathanael answered him, “Rabbi, you are the Son of God (GOD); you are the king of Israel (GOD)!”  

nope, i dont see the trinity or twoness concept in them.  sure god created jesus and conceived by mary.  but god never say - now i will become jesus and holy spirit and that makes 3 (trinity) or 2 (twoness) whichever you wanna assume.  there you go - you make god fickle minded.  you make god as if he wanna be one and only one almighty god and he also wanna become almighty god in 3 or 2 almighty gods.

trinity and twoness are man made concept not god.  it's not like god to play cowboys and indians all by himself.  that's split personality.  on the other hand it makes sense if you take the verses as it is without assuming they must be about trinity or twoness.

Because all man are sinners. No blind man can lead other blind men.

are you saying since all men are sinners then almighty god has to come down as man to save us?  why cant he do it without going through the process of being foetus and adult and being mocked and murdered by his creation jews - the socalled chosen people?  well?

I would not call that split personality, because they all have the same purpose that is  to show the World that God loves them. As I already clarify before they are all in one, and one in all…

why god wanna show the world that he loves us via 3 or 2 almighty gods in 1 almighty god?  why not stay as one and only one almighty god as the 10 commandments have stated?  where is it stated in the bible that god wanna show love to us via 3 or 2 almighty gods in 1 almighty god?  dont give me verses where you gotta make assumptions ok

know what?  the fundamentals of trinity and twoness are cockeye coz they contradict each other.  when there's contradiction that's gonna mean deception is in operation to hide HARDtruth.  truth dont contradict - this is HARDfact.  when god says jesus is "my son", you gonna deceive yourself if you were to make an assumption that it's gonna mean jesus is almighty god himself.  when you say holy spirit is almighty god himself then you gonna contradict with the fundamental of twoness concept.

So, who is your God then? How is He like? What are His characters? What is His purpose for mankind?

why must you treat god like man that he needs to look like one and to have human characters and purpose?  study the 10 commandments and you know what god is and he is MY GOD.

Yo bro, I treat my God as my Saviour and Lord. And because He loves us so much, he chosen to humble Himself to become a man.

where in the bible that says god wanna choose to humble himself to become man to uproot the root of sins?  no assumption like what you did with john 1, just give the HARDfacts.
  

I already given you few example that God did came to the earth in the form of man, one to visit Abraham, second to wrestle with Jacob. Did God have to do so? Not really, but He chosen to do so. Get it.. You are not God, thus, you cannot dictate what God cannot do and can do.

huh?  how do you know god wanna become man to visit abraham and have wrestling match with jacob?  cant he visit abraham like god?  need he have wrestling match with jacob?  much ado over nothing, right?  no wonder we gonna see doomsday sooner than you think what with god wanna play around and have fun in different personalities.
   

Are He weak and vulnerable?? I believe not. Go read Mat Chapter 4. God the Father (GOD) is watching over Jesus (GOD) all the way to the cross.

sounds silly.  god watching himself being flogged and crying out in anguish and died in agony upon being murdered by his creation jews the socalled chosen people.

Because you are a sinner.

where in the bible that says god wanna become man coz i'm a sinner?
  

Wow…Putting your words for me… Let me tell you this.. All my explanations are based on the bible. Did it hold no water? I don’t mind that because to me and my fellow Christians, bible holds the truth.

indeed the bible holds the truth.  it's trinitarians and binitarians who manipulate it so as to protray whatever concept they fancy.   

P.s : Don’t judge others, or you will be judged the same way.

think before you leap or suffer the consequences