Kedah Altered Its Imperial Name From Zabag to Java in mid 13th Century

thessailly

BotakChinPeng posted on 20-11-2013 04:19 PM
apa maksud anda ?

tu nama 'jawa' tu pun nak dikaitkan ngn kedah..
aku tak kisah pun..ambik la..

5229

Kedah ceased production in the 12th century when China finally mastered the technology and flooded the market.

sejarah kembali berulang

BotakChinPeng

The Nagari script which formed the basis of modern day Indian national script (devanagari) originated in Kedah and was named after the sanksrit appellation for Kedah (Kataha Nagari).

Some fragmentary clay tablets were found 9 ft. below the floor of a cave in Kcdah bearing undecipherable inscriptions in North Indian Nagari script of the 10th or perhaps the 7th century

http://www.archive.org/stream/in ... a035468mbp_djvu.txt
Another inscription found at Bukit Meriam in Kedah and dating back to the 4th or 5th century had to be transcribed into devanagari script before it could be translated.
These two hard evidences prove that the tiny kingdom of Kedah was the creator of the Nagari script.
Indians adopted the Nagari script in localised version from the 8th century onwards. Unfortunately most historians found this fact too much to swallow and in their attempt to distort the embarassing truth they labelled the original Nagari script from Kedah as “pre-nagari” while the Indian version was hailed as the original one. Hahaa. Thats how much corrupted the history of Nagari script is. Even a  derivative can be recognised as the original

BotakChinPeng

5229 posted on 20-11-2013 10:33 PM
Kedah ceased production in the 12th century when China finally mastered the technology and flooded t ...

Sejarah berulang di kurun ke 14/15 apabila China akhirnya berjaya meniru saiz kapal besar lebih 2,000 tan yang dibina Melayu sejak seribu tahun terdahulu

BotakChinPeng

The fabled kingdom of Waqwaq was probably named after a species of bird called waqwaq in Malay language

Some Arabic narratives of Wakwak were a mixture of facts and fiction. The most widespread myth revolves around a species of tree which produce fruits shaped like naked women.

If all the nonsense are filtered out and only logical reports are accepted , several meaningful conclusions can be made concerning Waqwaq such as :
There were two Waqwaqs.  African and Asian. The African one was in the eastern part of what is now South Africa.  Obviously established by Malays from the Asian Waq waq.

However there are also puzzling statements such as : Waq waq baing part of Qmayr islands (al Biruni 11th century) which doesnt mean anything because there was no country or region given that name by the Arabs.  

There were also some second hand accounts  by authors who wrote about Waqwaq : Abshihi (1388-ca1446) who said the maharaja lives in Waqwaq definitely was just regurgitating what he read from Masudi’s  mid 10th century Mukhtasar al Ajaib;  while Bakuwi who died in 1403 mentioned Zabag when that toponym hasnt been in use for over a hundred years.

Numerous early arab descriptions regarding Wakwak’s location points to the position of Malay archipelago and Australia in general.  We may never get to know how this strange sounding identity came about in the 9th century but somehow it became another name for  Zabag. The most decisive argument in favour of this view is credited to Masudi (10th century).  “In this land of Wak-wak lived the Maharaja, king of the islands”.  Masudi himself was fully aware that there was only one maharaja in his time. The Zabag emperor.  And when he says the maharaja resides in Waqwaq,  the message is loud and clear : Waqwaq is Zabag.
It was Zabag who launched the unsuccessful Waqwaq thousand  ship attack on Arab occupied Pemba in 945 to pursue the big business of supplying African slaves and other merchandise to China as well as their own home territories.

Which brings us to another powerful argument. If Waqwaq was not Zabag and it had a thousand ships as well as the desire to be a big player in the China trade, they definitely would have sent numerous embassies to China wouldnt they? But Chinese official documents never even register a single entry for the name Waqwaq or something equivalent. That could only mean one thing : Waqwaq was just a nickname for Zabag.
In all their dealings with China, Zabag/Sanfochi merchants and ambassadors never introduced themselves as from Waqwaq or any other designations because all trading and diplomatic privileges granted by the Chinese govt was for the polity bearing the official name of Sanfochi only.

Waqwaq was also linked by al-Istahri (10th century) to Kerman and Sind. This implies waqwaq having footholds on the southern provinces of modern day Iran as well as Pakistan and coincides with the age when Zabag/Waqwaq is reaching the zenith of its power.

The Waqwaq etymology gradually became detatched from Zabag in subsequent centuries .
Arab reports indicates a Waqwaq separate from Zabag as early as the 12th century which is not very surprising given that Zabag empire began its decline and had lost Qamar/Malayu in that same century.

Based on contemporary middle eastern texts, the site of this new country appears to be Australia.

“The islands of wakwak situated in the Chinese sea are close to the islands of Zabag” –Qazwini (13th century)

“They are situated in the extreme east” – ibn Said

According to 16th century Ottoman admiral Sidi Ali Celebi, Waqwaq is located south of Timor, the Moluccas and Banda. As we all know only Australia and Antarctica are directly south of Timor.

Taken from a book written by  a researcher named  S. Maqbul Ahmad

The position of the Island of al-Dajjal as given by Ibn Said compares fairly accurately with Cape York in N.E. Australia. Then, according to Ibn Said, the island of Waqwaq was situated towards the end of the habitation of this island

Furthermore, detailed accounts of its flora and fauna did not disprove Waqwaq being in Australia.

For instance gold is abundant in many parts of Australia to this day while ebony still grow in northeastern Australia. Elephants found there definitely was imported using large Malay ships. Blacks of  Waqwaq  were  either Australian aborigines or imported Africans while the Turk like appearance of Waqwaq people have also been ascribed by Arabs to Malays of Kaylukari (Ligore) and Qamar (Malayu).

This  independant  Waqwaq was ruled by a queen, built large ships, constructed fortresses & houses with gold bricks and didn’t seem to bother much with foreign trade.

“They are fortified in their mountains, not going to anyone and no one is in contact with them” –Idrisi (12th century)

“Sometimes the people of China comes here occasionaly “ – al Himayri (14th century)

“There is no iron so that it is valued as gold is in other countries” – Dimashki (14th century)

It also possesed between 1600 and 1700 islands. Perhaps this Australian Waqwaq managed to quietly  dominate eastern isles such as Papua and other neighbouring primitive islands for several centuries before slowly disappearing in the 15th or 16th century.

Meanwhile the African Wakwak was left on its own. Abandoned by Malay garrisons, isolated and lacking in important technologies like shipbuilding .

Waqwaq can be surmised as something that started out as an alternative name for Zabag (9th,10th,11th century) but ended as two independent countries at the extreme ends of that former empire (12th, 13th, 14th century and beyond)

sayapghaib

Mungkin Jawa dalam teks diatas bermaksud Jawi.bukan Pulau Jawa

BotakChinPeng

sayapghaib posted on 12-1-2014 09:36 PM
Mungkin Jawa dalam teks diatas bermaksud Jawi.bukan Pulau Jawa

Tak mungkin. Penterjemahan dari bahasa arab,cina & itali suatu perkara yang mudah dilakukan oleh para sarjana

sayapghaib

Kalau menurut sejarah Pattani pula Pulau Jawa dibuka oleh orang orang dari Jawakoti sebuah kerajaan di Semenanjung Melayu.Adakah Jawakoti ini sama dengan Javaka.

BotakChinPeng

sayapghaib posted on 13-1-2014 08:56 AM
Kalau menurut sejarah Pattani pula Pulau Jawa dibuka oleh orang orang dari Jawakoti sebuah kerajaan  ...

Hingga kini saya masih tidak banyak menyelidik sejarah Pattani, Jawakoti serta pembukaan pulau Jawa. Maka tak dapat lah saya mengulas mengenai isu ini.

BotakChinPeng

Aside from admiral Sidi Ali Celebi who confirmed Australian Waqwaq existance in the 16th century , Ludovico di Varthema also heard something about them when was sailing from Borneo  to Java in 1505.

My companion asked the Christians: ‘Now that we have lost the north star, how does he steer us? Is there any other north star than this by which we steer?’ The Christians asked the captain of the ship this same thing, and he showed us four or five stars, among which there was one which he said was opposite to our north star, and that he sailed by the north because the magnet was adjusted and subjected to our north. He also told us that on the other side of the said island [Java], towards the south, there are some other races, who navigate by the said four or five stars opposite to ours; and, moreover, they gave us to understand that beyond the said island the day does not last more than four hours, and that there it was colder than in any other part of the world.

sayapghaib

Petikan dari Ceramah Dr.Annabel Teh Gallop berkaitan dengan Kedah yg ditemuinya didalam Manuskrip-manuskrip Melayu.

-Kedah adalah Negeri yg paling konsisten menggunakan gelaran Darul berbanding negeri-negeri lain di Semenanjung sehingga banyak surat surat rasmi Sultan dan pembesarnya terus ditulis Sultan Darul Aman,Laksamana Darul Aman dan sbgnya,tidak Kedah Darulman.Negeri seperti Perak sekali sekala suratnya mengandungi gelaran Darul manakala Negeri Johor sukar sekali untuk ditemui suratnya mengandungi gelaran Darul.Negeri atau Negara melayu lain yg menggunakan Darul ialah Acheh,Brunei dan Jambi iaitu Darussalam.

-Sultan Ahmad Tajuddin yg pernah berlindung di Pulau Pinang,pernah menulis surat secara sulit(memerintahkan menulis) dan mengutus surat itu kepada Kerajaan Turki Othmaniah untuk memohon bantuan bagi menghadapi pihak kafir(Inggeris,Belanda dan Siam) yg menguasai Kedah.Surat itu berbahasa Arab yg tinggi dan manuskripnya berada di Instanbul Turki.





Dr. Annabel Teh Gallop - is the Head, Curator for Indonesian and Malay in the department of the South and Southeast Asia section at the British Library, London. She was also one of the Editorial board members of the journal 'Indonesia and the Malay World', based at SOAS, University of London; Committee member of the Association of South East Asian Studies in the UK (ASEASUK). Her main research interests are in Malay manuscripts, letters, documents and seals, and the book arts of Islamic Southeast Asia. She is also interested in the manuscript culture of Brunei, Malaysia, Singapore and Indonesia. Her PhD dissertation (School of Oriental and African Studies, University of London, 2002) was entitled "Malay seal inscriptions : a study in Islamic epigraphy from Southeast Asia". She is currently involved in the publication of a catalogue of Malay seal

cmf_BeachBoys

waqwaq? kalau kat terengganu,kami panggil burung wokwok..

thessailly

BotakChinPeng posted on 13-11-2013 03:11 AM
Chapter IX

It is much more challenging to reconstruct the empire’s timeline from late 13th centu ...

ni ko copy paste ke, ko tulis sendiri?

ada link?

thessailly

BotakChinPeng posted on 13-11-2013 03:11 AM
Chapter IX

It is much more challenging to reconstruct the empire’s timeline from late 13th centu ...

...are compelling evidences that the Java which defeated Mongolian forces, chased away the Sulu from Brunei, waylaid a Chinese envoy sent to perform investiture ceremony for Adityavarman’s son in 1377, forced the Siamese to lift their siege on Singapore and conquered Palembang in 1397 was that same peninsular Java all along

can you please elaborate more on this 'defeat of mongols in peninsular java' bullshite ?

BotakChinPeng

thessailly posted on 9-2-2014 06:03 AM
can you please elaborate more on this 'defeat of mongols in peninsular java' bullshite ?

Nope.
I don't elaborate on 'bullshites'

BotakChinPeng

thessailly posted on 9-2-2014 05:36 AM
ni ko copy paste ke, ko tulis sendiri?

ada link?

link pejadahnya ?

itu hasil kaji selidik aku sendiri

thessailly

BotakChinPeng posted on 9-2-2014 11:51 AM
link pejadahnya ?

itu hasil kaji selidik aku sendiri

da agak da...tulisan2 yg berbau malay supremacy ni mmg ko tulis sendiri...the biasness is too damn well obvious.

BotakChinPeng

Some Ceylonese chronicles like to imagine that women left behind by defeated Savakan armies in ceylon were brought from Zabag.
But everyone knows that invading armies don' t bring their women along.
The harem left behind and taken over by Ceylonese armies were definitely made up of their own local Ceylonese women

BotakChinPeng

cmf_BeachBoys posted on 5-2-2014 06:15 PM
waqwaq? kalau kat terengganu,kami panggil burung wokwok..

Ya. Lain negeri kekadang lain sikit gelarannya

BotakChinPeng

There is a town called Jawi  on the mainland part of Penang state. A small river by the same name also runs through that town.
I think this is where Jawa town that served as the capital of  Kedah's Java empire  was located. Its name must have been  modified a bit sometimes in the distant past.

For the record,
Old Kedah core territories included Satun province in what is now Thailand, the entire state of Perlis and Penang as well Perak state north of  the Bruas river.