Who is right? The Sunnis or the Shia

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Originally posted by i212 at 9-10-2006 11:04 AM



What in my OPINION,
The disbeliever inside Al-Quran are pointing people Like Barney50.

Provoking MUSLIM, ASK other to HATE AND DESTROY MUSLIM, etc.

And when MUSLIM stand up and do some ...

Correct!!!

pointing  right at his nose...:hatdown:

Debmey

700 chia policemen were poisoned when they break fast yesterday.
I hope sunni and shias can make peace

barney50

Yeh! Go on make your own assumption guys. Say what you want that would make all Muslims happy.

I quote here what exctly i212 has assumed what I have said "He hated ISLAM and ask all people in the world Hate ISLAM as well. Asking Non-Muslim around the world to Kill all Muslim."


and here is was I replied earlier:

The Sunnis or the Shia? They may have their differences but when it comes to defending their religion they all will gang up to kill you. So, Christians, Hindus and all other non Muslims should be unitted when it comes to defending your freedom of religion and right to practice our own faith. Always remember that we are 5.3 billion in number while Muslims are only 1.3 billion of the whole population of the world.

Can any of you find the statement quoted by i212 in my reply? You cannot because I did not call non Musims to kill all Muslims. So, from here you can see how Muslims can twist and turn when it comes to defending their religin even though they know some of the hadith calls for killing of non Muslims. As I have said earlier, I do not hate Muslims but I dislike thier religion for spreading hate and violence. The fundamentalist impose Islamic rules on non Muslims without respecting their beliefs. Ofcourse there are moderate Muslims who understands our predictment and they too do not like the syariah laws that compel followers. Religion is personal and if one follows strictly that is his wish and desire but it should not be forced upon. Quran contradicts in many aspects of its teachings. It says Allah has given freewil to man and at the same time it says one must follow otherewise he'd be burnt in hellfire. Than you have this religious authorities knocking at doors of houses or apartments or peeping to find out if any one is commiting khalwat. Islam is intruding inot the privacy of individual which looks like commusnit rule. Silly is it not?

Now in the world there are groups of Islamic militant preparing to attack non Islamic countries in order to achieve what their masters did some 1400 years ago. Attack them and if they submit ok otherwise kill them. Their attack is not an open war but a sneaky way also applied by Mohammed and his followers.  Do I hate Muslims? No is the answer. Do I hate Islam? Yes, for what it has done to the world today and in the past.

Debmey

yes, they will indeed gang up whne it suits them so we need to be wary.

i212

Can any of you find the statement quoted by i212 in my reply? You cannot because I did not call non Musims to kill all Muslims

by Barney50
The masacre was committed by Muslim invaders in Irag, Afghanistan, Persia and India. Now there is a plan being ploted by fanatics to relive the historical invasion in this century and it's just a warning to wake up. These Muslim fundamentalist have a psychotic minds and the clock is ticking. Anyway you seem to love stooling so much and no wonder when people pass you house the stench is very great. Are you doing it in front of your house instead of using the toilet at the back?

I do not hate Muslims but I dislike thier religion for spreading hate and violence.

Who the most people spreading hate inside this forum?

Do I hate Islam? Yes, for what it has done to the world today and in the past.

hmmmmmmmmmm......... wonder why

barney50

i212, Are you dumb or what? I have given the reason whay I hate Islam and you go like hmmmmmmmmmm......... wonder why. Shows your lack of comprehension.

i212

Originally posted by barney50 at 9-10-2006 02:11 PM
i212, Are you dumb or what? I have given the reason whay I hate Islam and you go like hmmmmmmmmmm......... wonder why. Shows your lack of comprehension.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....
wonder why People in MALAYSIA not KILLED when ISLAM come.
But KILLED after westerner come. Hmmmmm..... wonder the real history.

Both Sunni and Shia Muslims share the most fundamental Islamic beliefs and articles of faith. The differences between these two main sub-groups within Islam initially stemmed not from spiritual differences, but political ones. Over the centuries, however, these political differences have spawned a number of varying practices and positions which have come to carry a spiritual significance.

The division between Shia and Sunni dates back to the death of the Prophet Muhammad, and the question of who was to take over the leadership of the Muslim nation. Sunni Muslims agree with the position taken by many of the Prophet's companions, that the new leader should be elected from among those capable of the job. This is what was done, and the Prophet Muhammad's close friend and advisor, Abu Bakr, became the first Caliph of the Islamic nation.

The word "Sunni" in Arabic comes from a word meaning "one who follows the traditions of the Prophet."

On the other hand, some Muslims share the belief that leadership should have stayed within the Prophet's own family, among those specifically appointed by him, or among Imams appointed by God Himself.

The Shia Muslims believe that following the Prophet Muhammad's death, leadership should have passed directly to his cousin/son-in-law, Ali. Throughout history, Shia Muslims have not recognized the authority of elected Muslim leaders, choosing instead to follow a line of Imams which they believe have been appointed by the Prophet Muhammad or God Himself. The word "Shia" in Arabic means a group or supportive party of people. The commonly-known term is shortened from the historical "Shia-t-Ali," or "the Party of Ali." They are also known as followers of "Ahl-al-Bayt" or "People of the Household" (of the Prophet).

From this initial question of political leadership, some aspects of spiritual life have been affected and now differ between the two groups of Muslims.

Shia Muslims believe that the Imam is sinless by nature, and that his authority is infallible as it comes directly from God. Therefore, Shia Muslims often venerate the Imams as saints and perform pilgrimages to their tombs and shrines in the hopes of divine intercession. Sunni Muslims counter that there is no basis in Islam for a hereditary privileged class of spiritual leaders, and certainly no basis for the veneration or intercession of saints. Sunni Muslims contend that leadership of the community is not a birthright, but a trust that is earned and which may be given or taken away by the people themselves.

Shia Muslims also feel animosity towards some of the companions of the Prophet Muhammad, based on their positions and actions during the early years of discord about leadership in the community. Many of these companions (Abu Bakr, Umar, Aisha, etc.) have narrated traditions about the Prophet's life and spiritual practice. Shia Muslims reject these traditions (hadith) and do not base any of their religious practices on the testimony of these individuals. This naturally gives rise to some differences in religious practice between the two groups. These differences touch all detailed aspects of religious life: prayer, fasting, pilgrimage, etc.

Sunni Muslims make up the majority (85%) of Muslims all over the world. Significant populations of Shia Muslims can be found in Iran and Iraq, and large minority communities in Yemen, Bahrain, Syria, and Lebanon.

It is important to remember that despite all of these differences in opinion and practice, Shia and Sunni Muslims share the main articles of Islamic belief and are considered by most to be brethren in faith. In fact, most Muslims do not distinguish themselves by claiming membership in any particular group, but prefer to call themselves simply, "Muslims."


Can Nightlord pls show us the differences between the Christian denominations pls?

[ Last edited by  KENNKID at 9-10-2006 02:19 PM ]

Originally posted by barney50 at 9-10-2006 02:11 PM
i212, Are you dumb or what? I have given the reason whay I hate Islam and you go like hmmmmmmmmmm......... wonder why. Shows your lack of comprehension.

You have proven how DUMB you are when u said Khajuraho temple built for Muslims.. You are the DUMBEST, a step ahead of Truth.8

barney50

1. responded by SilentKillter:You have proven how DUMB you are when u said Khajuraho temple built for Muslims.. You are the DUMBEST, a step ahead of Truth.8

Copy the Code

You still cannot get the meaning of the phrase uh!? No wonder we find many like you having problem adapting to life outside the nutshell. I sai so because you harped many time about the Khauraho temple and have explained to you many a times it was the style of the Rajput clan who are not desendants of India but a foreign land. If you go on repeating the same question than I would undestand that Islam had made you dumber than dumber.

Truth.8

Originally posted by SilentKiller at 9-10-2006 02:24 PM


You have proven how DUMB you are when u said Khajuraho temple built for Muslims.. You are the DUMBEST, a step ahead of Truth.8

hmmmm i can smell my name here from muhammad followers.

let see the dumb muslim who believed that mind actually in heart.

that is really dumbest from muslims head which do not have brain with mind

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 9-10-2006 02:29 PM


hmmmm i can smell my name here from muhammad followers.

let see the dumb muslim who believed that mind actually in heart.

that is really dumbest from muslims head which do not have brain  ...

Yeah, u smell it from where? U are a rotten parrot who repeat my sentence !!

Originally posted by barney50 at 9-10-2006 02:29 PM
responded by SilentKillter:You have proven how DUMB you are when u said Khajuraho temple built for Muslims.. You are the DUMBEST, a step ahead of Truth.8

You still cannot get the meaning of the ...

What a lame answer!!

Truth.8

Originally posted by SilentKiller at 9-10-2006 02:32 PM


Yeah, u smell it from where? U are a rotten parrot who repeat my sentence !!

u believed that ur mind(akal) actually in heart?? that what muslims claimed?

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 9-10-2006 02:35 PM


u believed that ur mind(akal) actually in heart?? that what muslims claimed?

Its already answered in that topic u BLIND !!! You havent answered why ur church support gay marriages!! No answer ah ?

Debmey

Did my church or Truth's church support gay marriage? Where?

Originally posted by Debmey at 9-10-2006 02:40 PM
Did my church or Truth's church support gay marriage? Where?

www.godlovesfags.com

U can see which church supports gays !!

So, have u checked which church conduct gay marriages Debmey & Truth.8 ??

Debmey

not my church. We don't support homosexuality, we just cast demons outta them.

Originally posted by Debmey at 9-10-2006 03:33 PM
not my church. We don't support homosexuality, we just cast demons outta them.

Which sect u are ?