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Hadith umur Aisha yang status AHAD la kau orang sibuk

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Post time 20-7-2016 11:29 PM | Show all posts
sam1528 replied at 20-7-2016 11:28 PM
Ha ha .... ko nak lari pasal apa?

Either (a) or (b) .... ko takut jawab ke?

Memori? Goshhhhhh
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Post time 20-7-2016 11:30 PM | Show all posts
changepassword replied at 20-7-2016 11:28 PM
Hadith yang berasaskan memori?

woi gosh memori? Goshhhhhhh memori?

Apa problem ko dgn memory hadith?

Cuba ko articulate apa problem ko?

Ko mampu kan ... kalo ini pon ko tak boleh buat ... ko ada problem lah dgn bahasa penghantaran

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Post time 20-7-2016 11:31 PM | Show all posts

Ha ha ... ko takut

(a) or (b)

What is it .... why are you so scared?

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Post time 20-7-2016 11:31 PM | Show all posts
sam1528 replied at 20-7-2016 11:21 PM
Ko nak bukti apa?

Ko paham ke artikel tersebut? Cuba ko huraikan apa konteks artikel tu ....

Budak lembam samdol terkial kial coba memahami hadis memori.

Ghosssss memori
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Post time 20-7-2016 11:33 PM | Show all posts
changepassword replied at 20-7-2016 11:31 PM
Budak lembam samdol terkial kial coba memahami hadis memori.

Ghosssss memori
...

Pasal apa ko takut jawab? lutut ko dah mengigil ke?

(a) or (b)

Tak de pon terkial kial hafal hadith atau Quran

Jgn meroyan bagai janda gila talak

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Post time 20-7-2016 11:37 PM | Show all posts
sam1528 replied at 20-7-2016 11:33 PM
Pasal apa ko takut jawab? lutut ko dah mengigil ke?

(a) or (b)

Ghossssssssss MEMorrrrrrrryyyyyyy

Hadis yang berasaskan memori? Joke ke apa ni

Wa tak boleh tahan gelak

Macem film tamil? Goshhhhhhh
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Post time 20-7-2016 11:40 PM | Show all posts
sam1528 replied at 20-7-2016 11:33 PM
Pasal apa ko takut jawab? lutut ko dah mengigil ke?

(a) or (b)

Mana bukti hadis sahih memori lu? Terkial kial ke samdol lembam? wakakakaka

Wa mau bukti sahih wa nak compared kan side by side plesssssssss


Tapi kan hadis berasaskan memori? Emmmm pilem tamil ke apa?

Ghosssssss
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Post time 20-7-2016 11:48 PM | Show all posts
sam1528 replied at 20-7-2016 11:33 PM
Pasal apa ko takut jawab? lutut ko dah mengigil ke?

(a) or (b)

Ghossssssss senyap teros samdol lembam bila wa minte kesahihan hadis berasaskan memori ontok wa compare kan side by side.

Goshhhhhh hadish sahis memory
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Post time 20-7-2016 11:54 PM | Show all posts
changepassword replied at 20-7-2016 11:37 PM
Ghossssssssss MEMorrrrrrrryyyyyyy

Hadis yang berasaskan memori? Joke ke apa ni

Wa tak boleh tahan gelak

Macem film tamil? Goshhhhhhh

Ha ha , ko meroyan lagi bagaikan janda gila talak

Cuba ko huraikan apa problem ko dgn memory? Ko tak jawab lagi kalo dah boleh hafal Quran .... what is hadith?

Ko takut jawab
(a) or (b)

Pengecut sorang kapiaq ni

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Post time 20-7-2016 11:57 PM | Show all posts
Edited by sam1528 at 20-7-2016 11:58 PM
changepassword replied at 20-7-2016 11:40 PM
Mana bukti hadis sahih memori lu? Terkial kial ke samdol lembam? wakakakaka

Wa mau bukti sahih wa nak compared kan side by side plesssssssss


Tapi kan hadis berasaskan memori? Emmmm pilem tamil ke apa?

Ghosssssss

Ha h a... meroyan lagi bagai kan janda gila talak?

What has memory got to do with filem tamil? Ko dah kantoi lah tambi

Apa problem ko dgn memory of hadith? Takut jawab ke.... bukti compare side by side? Ni cakap bodoh apa pulak ni?

Ko masih tak jawab
(a) or (b)

LOL .... takut mamat kapiaq sorang ni .... kesian .... dah kena pressure

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Post time 20-7-2016 11:57 PM | Show all posts
changepassword replied at 20-7-2016 11:26 PM
Lu huraikan pada wa bukan wa kenai huraikan pada lu.

Wa mahukan bukti dari lu.

apa maksud agama yg  failed berasaskan memory ?

i tak faham - yg kita cakap pasal hadith ....

agama islam ada beberapa konsep asas yg dinamakan akidah dan ini bukan sahaja perlu memory tapi psycho motor system
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Post time 21-7-2016 12:01 AM | Show all posts
changepassword replied at 20-7-2016 11:48 PM
Ghossssssss senyap teros samdol lembam bila wa minte kesahihan hadis berasaskan memori ontok wa co ...

LOL , sahih hadith berasaskan memory?

What you talking about? Sahih hadith ikut isnad .... apa yg ko meroyan bagai kan Janda gila talak ni

Ha ha ... jawab tambi
(a) or (b)

See folks .... dah lah nak konar baring nak lari ..... takut ke?

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Post time 21-7-2016 12:22 AM | Show all posts
changepassword replied at 20-7-2016 10:56 PM
Macam tak confident je bunyinya?  according to the reliability and memory

Memory? Wakakakaka what a joke!

Tengok sejarah mesir FM tu mesir kuno tolis kat dinding toils kat batu tolis kat kulit binatang.

Hadis benarrrr Islam tertolis dalam memory? Wakakakakaka

According to the reliability and memory of the reporters; the final judgment on a hadith depends crucially on this factor: verdicts such as Sahih (sound), Hasan (good), Da`if (weak) and Maudu` (fabricated, forged) rest mainly upon the nature of the reporters in the isnad.

Err , pahaman ko ttg para tersebut adalah songsang. Para tersebut
According to the reliability and memory of the reporters; the final judgment on a hadith depends crucially on this factor: verdicts such as Sahih (sound), Hasan (good), Da`if (weak) and Maudu` (fabricated, forged) rest mainly upon the nature of the reporters in the isnad.

Boleh ko terangkan apa makna 'the final judgment on a hadith depends crucially on this factor'

Sejak bila para tersebut kata , spt ko meroyan :
- Macam tak confident je bunyinya?  according to the reliability and memory
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Hadis benarrrr Islam tertolis dalam memory?Ha ha ... that is not what the passage says .... ini lah dia org macam ko tu ... lemah english

Terangkan ye apa konteks para tersebut.

(a) or (b)

ko akan metetel lari .... kesian .... meroyan lagi lah bagaikan janda gila talak

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Post time 21-7-2016 12:26 AM | Show all posts
sam1528 replied at 21-7-2016 12:01 AM
LOL , sahih hadith berasaskan memory?

What you talking about? Sahih hadith ikut isnad .... apa  ...

Ghossssss samdol lembam. Sampai sekarang lu tarak bole buktikan pada wa hadis sahih memori lu?


Woi thambi lu punya macem filem tamil lah, berasas kan memori. Goshhhhhh memori


Mana bukti hadis sahih memori lu wa nak bandingkan compare Side by side.

Kalo lu tak boleh proved kat wa wa akan trash je kan hadis sahih memori lu tu.

Goshhhhhhh hadis sahih berasas kan memori? Wakakakakaka
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Post time 21-7-2016 12:27 AM | Show all posts
changepassword replied at 20-7-2016 11:48 PM
Ghossssssss senyap teros samdol lembam bila wa minte kesahihan hadis berasaskan memori ontok wa co ...

boleh saja kalau u  kuasai mustalah al hadis

apa itu mustalah dan maksudnya
apa jenis jenis riwayat - hadis tu ape, khabar tu ape, athar tu ape,  ahdith qudsi tu ape

tu basics

then lepas tu  u boleh je mengetahui memory itu dipalikasi untuk tujuan pengelsan berdasarkan

path of transmission

- sini mutawattir  dan terbahagi pula  pada mutawattir dalam segi kata  atau makna ( words and meaning)

hadis selain mutawattir dinamakan hadis AHAD

dan ini pula dikategorikan kepada  - mashur , gharib dan aziz - i.e berapa org yg laporkan

hadis ahad pula boleh dikategorikan kepada    5 bhgn

- sahih - authentic/sound by itself / due to other than itself - terbahagi kepada li dathihi / li ghayrihi
-hasan  -  hasan by itself/ due to other thanitself - li dathihi / li ghayrihi
-daif -weak/unauthentic- how to deal with it dari aspek pembuktian/ dan pernyataan yg depa ni hadi daif  atau dalam aspek ia berguna untuk faedah atau amaran

2. lepas tu  tengok pula based on production of hadis dari memory je yg you kata tu  - dep akaji lagi dari aspek  kesinambungan
ada konsep :mursal, muallaq, mukdal munqati


3. tadlis - berapa banyak chain of narrators - tadlis as sanad
tadlis ash - syuyukh


4. al mudtarib - apa perbezaan dan ruling dia macam mana


4. aspek mendalam lagi : al - idraj fil matin - sama ada narrator tu adukkan peckapan dia atau org yg sebenar dalam hadith tu  


5. az ziyadah fil hadith  - idraj  amnd other than idraj


6. ikhtisar al hadith  - kena tengok kaji dan banding nilai ciri elemen mana yg diremoved  atau transmistting tu banyak mana


ini semuabanyak ijtihad dan nilaian




then satu lagi - narration hadith based on the meaning dan rulingnya
hadis mawdu'




aspek - tengok peribadai narrator tu suka menipu ke auta lebih ke


al jarh - mutlaq, muqayid,  dan levels depa ye


at ta'dil


and rulingnya








ada lagi classification based on whom the hadith is connected to : marfu' : sarihan  dan hukman
2. mawquf
3. maqtu'




satu lagi aspek penting


tahap SAHABAT rasulullah saw






so menjawab persoalan anda


ini dia


so memory 'JEEEE@




kalau bertanya lebih sopan dan tertib  boleh aje tak perlu kurang ajar atau tahu islam by dua tiga benda dan berlagak macam tahu semua






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Post time 21-7-2016 12:29 AM | Show all posts
sam1528 replied at 21-7-2016 12:22 AM
Err , pahaman ko ttg para tersebut adalah songsang. Para tersebut

Boleh ko terangkan apa makna ...

Lu tak payah nak puter belit kat wa lah, wa bukan samdol lembam macem lu.

Mana bukti sahih wa nak bandingkan?

Kalau tak wa bin kan aje hadis memori lu tu.

Cara lu puter belit pun dah macem tamil, hadis memori lu pun macem tamil kalau lu tak boleh tunjukkan pada wa ontok bandingkan.
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Post time 21-7-2016 12:29 AM | Show all posts
sam1528 replied at 21-7-2016 12:22 AM
Err , pahaman ko ttg para tersebut adalah songsang. Para tersebut

Boleh ko terangkan apa makna ...

i dah jawab  - i ade buku mustalah al hadith

dia tu temberang je

again the observed tendecy of these islam haters  is that they tend to 'exaggerate a tree in the whole wide forest '
u see? banyak kali perangai ni

tahu sikit tapi dia exaggerate macam dia tahu

typical

nak kita bagi fakta


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Post time 21-7-2016 12:32 AM | Show all posts
mbhcsf replied at 21-7-2016 12:27 AM
boleh saja kalau u  kuasai mustalah al hadis

apa itu mustalah dan maksudnya

Lu post tu cerita tamil lah sis.

Wa nak bandingkan side by side. Kalau tak wa bin kan adje hadis memori lu tu.


Goshhhhhhhh orang Islam percaya pada hadis berasaskan memori? Macam filem tamil lah.
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Post time 21-7-2016 12:33 AM | Show all posts
changepassword replied at 21-7-2016 12:29 AM
Lu tak payah nak puter belit kat wa lah, wa bukan samdol lembam macem lu.

Mana bukti sahih wa n ...

ni dah jawab

baswed on memory and lepas tu depa kaji dan teliti

u ingat hadith tu pakai main whisper bisik bisik ke?

u think that way kot sebab tu u  fikir tang kesahihan

tapi awak ni  tak cerdik u lupa yg org islam ni pandai dan rasulullah saw cerdik dari you dan sahabat baginda pun cerdik dari u

depa dan segala sarjana islam dah cipata  asystem to ensure the hadit his sound sahih and even had written many books addressing weak / unauthentic hadith

u je  yg tak banyak membaca


org buat thread ini khas untuk discuss elok elok tapi tendency is - golongan awak sering kali personally attacking dan berlaku biadap.
i haranlah tapi itu kot perangai org takut


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Post time 21-7-2016 12:33 AM | Show all posts
mbhcsf replied at 20-7-2016 11:57 PM
apa maksud agama yg  failed berasaskan memory ?

i tak faham - yg kita cakap pasal hadith ....

Sis lu tak mau nonton ke teroris islam sembelih kanak2 sambil melaungkan allahhuakhbar?

http://mforum.cari.com.my/forum. ... &extra=page%3D1
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