[MERGED]-Debmey: SHOW PROOF THAT PROPHET MOHAMMAD IS A PAEDOPHILE?

Nazrulism

According to another narrative in Bukhari, Ayesha is reported to have said: 揫b]I was a young girl (jariyah in Arabic)

Debmey

The many hadiths provided made it very clear. She was 6 when she married Mo and they had sex at 9 after her first mensus.

From Bukhari vol. 7, #65:
            "Narrated Aisha that the prophet wrote the marriage contract with her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old.  Hisham said:  "I have been informed that Aisha remained with the prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death).""

Bukhari vol. 7, #88:
            "Narrated Urwa:  "The prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).""

Bukhari vol. 5, #234 says:
            "Narrated Aisha:  The prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six.  We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Harith Kharzraj.  Then I got ill and my hair fell down.  Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends.  She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me.  She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house.  I was breathless then, and when my breathing became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it.  Then she took me into the house.  There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's blessing and a good luck."  Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage).  Unexpectedly Allah's messenger came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age."

FROM THE HADITH OF SAHIH MUSLIM VOLUME 2, #3309
            Aisha reported:  Allah抯 Messenger married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house at the age of nine

Nazrulism

Most of the narratives  are reported only by Hisham ibn `Urwah, who was reporting on the authority of his father. First of all, more people than just one, two or three should logically have reported. It is strange that no one from Medina, where Hisham ibn `Urwah lived the first 71 years of his life narrated the event, despite the fact that his Medinan pupils included the well-respected Malik ibn Anas. The origins of the report of the narratives of this event are people from Iraq, where Hisham is reported to have shifted after living in Medina for most of his life.

pandora272

Originally posted by Nazrulism at 14-4-2008 12:10 AM
Most of the narratives  are reported only by Hisham ibn `Urwah, who was reporting on the authority of his father. First of all, more people than just one, two or three should logically have repor ...

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samyvellu

Originally posted by Nazrulism at 13-4-2008 09:49 PM


Arabic Terminology
According to a narrative reported by Ahmad ibn Hanbal, after the death of the Prophet抯 first wife Khadijah, when Khaulah came to the Prophet advising him to marry again, ...

This explanation is absolutely incorrect. Bikr means virgin and, just as in English is not age specific. In fact Ayesha was the second wife of Muhammad (after Khadijah) but Muhammad did not consummate his marriage with her for three years because she was too young. Instead he had to content himself with Umma Salamah, until Ayesha matured a little bit more. It would not have made sense to marry a beautiful woman like Ayesha and wait for three years to take her home.

samyvellu

Originally posted by Nazrulism at 13-4-2008 09:56 PM
A narrative regarding Ayesha抯 participation in Badr is given in the hadith of Muslim, (Kitabu抣-jihad wa抣-siyar, Bab karahiyati抣-isti`anah fi抣-ghazwi bikafir). Ayesha, while narrating the jou ...

This is a weak excuse. When the Battle of Badr and Uhud occurred Ayeshawas 10 to 11 years old. She did not go to be a warrior, like the boys.She went to keep Muhammad warm during the nights. Boys who were less than 15 were sent back, but this did not apply to her.
The women and young children went on the battlefield after the battle and gave water to the wounded Muslims and finished off the enemy wounded. al-Tabari vol.12 p.127,146. During the days of the battle, thewomen and children were there to dig graves for the dead. al-Tabarivol.12 p.107.
Therefore, it is clear that the fifteen-year age threshold applied only to boys.

[ Last edited by  samyvellu at 14-4-2008 08:56 AM ]

samyvellu

[quote]Originally posted by Nazrulism at 13-4-2008 10:14 PM
According to another narrative in Bukhari, Ayesha is reported to have said: 揑 was a young girl (jariyah in Arabic)

pandora272

Originally posted by samyvellu at 14-4-2008 08:55 AM


This is a weak excuse. When the Battle of Badr and Uhud occurred Ayeshawas 10 to 11 years old. She did not go to be a warrior, like the boys.She went to keep Muhammad warm during the nights.  ...

Did you come up with this all by yourself? BRAVO!

Another way to illustrate your shallow-mindedness and lack of information but, 'A' for effort and enthusiasm to debate despite the lack of evidence.

gunblade712

samyvelu, i want the EXACT word used in the hadith. THAT is what DEBMEY CLAIMED. now suddenly debmey has given me the ROOT word and not the EXACT word.

who's twisting now?

samyvelu, though u'r ideas doesn't have any supporting evidence, i do admire your enthusiasm in explaining. at least you are much better than those who rely on links and youtube without being able to quote from the website they gave us. *cough.. debmey.. cough*

Debmey

The root word is the exact word. You can't hide behind arabic anymore sir. Especially when you are not an arabic expert.
Mohd is just a paedo whether you like it or not and you have no explanation for it.

gunblade712

i am not an arab expert?

  wow you always KNOW SO MUCH ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE EH DEBMEY?

how do u know that I AM NOT EVEN AN ARAB??

Mohd? paedo? which Mohd? Mohd Ramzee? Mohd Za'aba? Mohd who? please, be specific..

we have explained it for years dummy. YOU are the ones who FAILED TO DIGEST WHAT WE EXPLAIN AND IT IS CRYSTAL CLEAR.

MUHAMMAD S.A.W WAS NOT A PAEDOPHILIA WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT DEBMEY. WE ARE STRONG IN OUR FAITH IN ISLAM WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT DEBMEY. YOU HAVE DONE NOTHING BUT JUST PROVOKING US WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT DEBMEY. THE LIKES OF YOU WERE CURSED EVEN BY THE BIBLE, WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT DEBMEY.

DID U READ PANDORA'S LINK?

Debmey

you may have some arab blood but you are definitely not arab and you are not an expert of Arabic.

Mohd was a paedo and the hadiths confirms it left and right.
You feel provoked because you are ashamed of mohd's paedophilia and other behaviors. Too bad cos you were born into the religion and have no choice but to stick to it. You just do not have the courage to do otherwise.

gunblade712

Mohd? which mohd? i have no leader by the name of Mohd..

nope.. i dun feel provoked at all. in fact, like i said, this question was long answered.. you are just not honest enough to read and digest it.

we all know what u are like, debmey. u love to twist things. u ran away from questions. you JUST TAKE WHAT SUITS YOUR LIKINGS, AND WHATEVER DOES NOT SUITS YOU, YOU DECLARE IT AS A HOAX.

SORRY MAN, I DO NOT KNOW ANYONE BY THE NAME OF MOHD. WHICH HADITH STATED THAT THIS MR MOHD IS A PAEDO?

SEE.. YOU ARE JUST OUT HERE TO PROVOKE PEOPLE WITHOUT GIVING AMPLE PROOF.

AND NOW YOU SAY I HAVE SOME ARAB BLOOD. WHAT? U KNOW ME NOW, DEBMEY?

DUN BITCH ABOUT SOMETHING THAT U DO NOT KNOW, DEBMEY.

Debmey

GB playin denial cos he can't defend the obvious paedophilia of mo.

cheers

gunblade712

I CAN'T

I DO NOT KNOW ANY PAEDO BY THE NAME OF MO.

CHEERS? NO THANKS. WE DUN DRINK WITH LIARS.

Debmey

From Bukhari vol. 7, #65:
            "Narrated Aisha that the prophet wrote the marriage contract with her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old.  Hisham said:  "I have been informed that Aisha remained with the prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death).""

Bukhari vol. 7, #88:
            "Narrated Urwa:  "The prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).""

Bukhari vol. 5, #234 says:
            "Narrated Aisha:  The prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six.  We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Harith Kharzraj.  Then I got ill and my hair fell down.  Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends.  She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me.  She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house.  I was breathless then, and when my breathing became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it.  Then she took me into the house.  There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's blessing and a good luck."  Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage).  Unexpectedly Allah's messenger came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age."

FROM THE HADITH OF SAHIH MUSLIM VOLUME 2, #3309
            Aisha reported:  Allah抯 Messenger married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house at the age of nine

Debmey

From Bukhari vol. 7, #65:
            "Narrated Aisha that the prophet wrote the marriage contract with her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old.  Hisham said:  "I have been informed that Aisha remained with the prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death).""

Bukhari vol. 7, #88:
            "Narrated Urwa:  "The prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).""

Bukhari vol. 5, #234 says:
            "Narrated Aisha:  The prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six.  We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Harith Kharzraj.  Then I got ill and my hair fell down.  Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends.  She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me.  She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house.  I was breathless then, and when my breathing became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it.  Then she took me into the house.  There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's blessing and a good luck."  Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage).  Unexpectedly Allah's messenger came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age."

FROM THE HADITH OF SAHIH MUSLIM VOLUME 2, #3309
            Aisha reported:  Allah抯 Messenger married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house at the age of nine

gunblade712

I DON'T SEE ANYONE BY THE NAME OF 'MO' IN ANY OF THE HADITH.

Sasha

Originally posted by Debmey at 14-4-2008 11:53 AM
GB playin denial cos he can't defend the obvious paedophilia of mo.

cheers

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Debmey

how did i insult muslims by calling mohd as mo? please explain
I think the point is, muslims fail to defend islam.