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[MERGED]-Debmey: SHOW PROOF THAT PROPHET MOHAMMAD IS A PAEDOPHILE?
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you muslims claim that consumation of marriage does not mean sex. What then is the arabic word in the hadiths for such a term? |
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Reply #2204 pandora272's post
she knew she lost before still che cannot admit, yet she brave enough. oh ok........
i bet another 2 years from now, debmey is still going to bring up this issue...dont u worry |
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Originally posted by Debmey at 11-4-2008 11:54 AM 
you muslims claim that consumation of marriage does not mean sex. What then is the arabic word in the hadiths for such a term?
Oh hey, you're the one who brought this up now YOU FIND IT. |
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According to Judaism, Christianity and Islam, right and wrong are ordained by Almighty God. As such, morality does not change over time based on our whims, desires or cultural sensitivities. In cultures where there is no Divinely revealed ruling on an issue, what is right and what is wrong is determined by cultural norms. In such cases, a person would only be considered "immoral" if they violated the accepted norms of their society.
The Prophet Muhammad's marriage to 'Aishah, viewed both in the light of Absolute Morality and the cultural norms of his time, was not an immoral act, but was an act containing valuable lessons for generations to come. Additionally, this marriage followed the norms for all Semitic peoples, including those of Biblical times.
It is grossly hypocritical for Christians to criticize the Prophet's marriage to 'Aishah at such a young age. In case Christian readers are under the false impression that their values today are timeless and somehow reflect those of Biblical times.
Aishah's marriage...
http://www.muslim-answers.org/Polemics-Rebuttals/aishah.htm
http://www.mereislam.info/labels/Aishah%27s%20Marriage.html
[ Last edited by ct_nazirah at 11-4-2008 12:22 PM ] |
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Muslim Answers to an Inquiring Christian
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i'd doubt debmey can be honest enough and read.. |
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FROM THE HADITH OF SAHIH BUKHARI
I have used Bukhari's Hadith, translated into English by Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan, at the Islamic University in Medina. Bukhari's Hadith is considered authentic by the majority of Sunni Islamic scholars. It is second to the Quran in terms of importance. The central figure to approve and sign the translation is Dr. Amin Al-Masri, Ph.D. Cambridge University. He is the Advisor and Head of the Sharia Dept., at the College of Sharia and Islamic Studies in Mecca.
From Bukhari vol. 7, #65:
"Narrated Aisha that the prophet wrote the marriage contract with her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: "I have been informed that Aisha remained with the prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death).""
Bukhari vol. 7, #88:
"Narrated Urwa: "The prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).""
Bukhari vol. 5, #234 says:
"Narrated Aisha: The prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six. We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Harith Kharzraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's messenger came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age."
FROM THE HADITH OF SAHIH MUSLIM VOLUME 2, #3309
Aisha reported: Allah抯 Messenger married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house at the age of nine |
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Originally posted by Debmey at 11-4-2008 01:18 PM
FROM THE HADITH OF SAHIH BUKHARI
I have used Bukhari's Hadith, translated into English by Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan, at the Islamic University in Medina. Bukhari's Hadith is c ...
IT'S THE SAME OLD THING.
SO FAR, ONLY ONE HADITH MENTIONED ABOUT INTERCOURSE. That being said, it is also possible that the word "intercourse" was mistranslated since all other hadiths mentioned no such thing.
Really, Debmey, is that the best you can do? |
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Originally posted by Debmey at 11-4-2008 05:38 AM 
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Originally posted by pandora272 at 10-4-2008 04:58 PM
Your ineptitude to answer questions are pathetic. Ifyoucan't prove it, don't walk around talking as if you actually knewwhatit's about.
The truth is, all your questions have already been answered thoroughly on this thread.
Your unwillingness to read makes you and all muslims pathetic to say the least.
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For the record, the word "CONSUMMATE" means having sex IN WESTERN CULTURE but NOT IN THE EASTERN CULTURE.
What rubbish. If you really studied teh ahdiths in Arabic, you would know that consumate does mean having sex.
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Thatis not the case with Eastern or Middle-EasternCulture. I have read thatin some Middle-Eastern culture, consummatinga marriage actually meansthat the couple is living in one house together OR the bride moving out from the family home to live with her husband's family, but NOT NECESSARILY HAVE SEX WITH EACH OTHER.
In the case of the hadith, it does mean sex.
There is no evidence to suggest that consumation of marriage means different thing in eastern culture.
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One more point I'd like to point out is that we women experience puberty as early as 8 years old and the AVERAGE AGE of puberty for women is between 9 - 14 years old. So it's not impossible for 'Aisha to experience puberty at the age of 9, IN FACT, IT'S NORMAL.
Nobody has doubted that Aisha started entering puberty at 9.
In other words, you have shown that you have no read or followed teh thread before you posted.
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However, that being said, THERE HAS BEEN NO SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT RASULULLAH ACTUALLY HAD SEX WITH 'AISHA AT THE AGE OF 9.
The hadiths said it all sis.
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IT WAS MERELY A WESTERN CONCEPT OF CONSUMMATION WHICH IS ACTUALLY DIFFERENT FROM THE EASTERN DEFINITION OF CONSUMMATION.
not if you know your hadith and arabic.
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Please note that paedophiles usually target children who have not attained puberty. Once the child attained puberty or grew into adulthood, they (the paedophiles) lose interest in the child. 'Aisha was in fact Rasulullah's favourite wife and continued to live with Rasulullah until his death.
mohd took fancy of aisha when she was only 6.
A 9 year old is a child, period.
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Andanother trait that exist among all paedophiles isthat they continue tohave interest in children throughout their lives.Other than 'Aisha whoRasulullah married at a young age, the otherwives are married toRasulullah when they are well in adulthood.
a paedophile can have interest in sex with adults too. Just as a rapist can have consentual sex as well.
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SO, IN WHAT WAY DOES THAT MAKE RASULULLAH A PAEDOPHILE?
taking fancy of a 6 year old and having sex with her when she was only 9 years old.
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OR WAS IT JUST A DISTORTED OPINION OF YOURS THAT YOU ARE DETERMINED TO FORCE ON US?
I'm not the one distorting reality of mohd's paedophilia, you are.
BTW, a deep study of the word consumate in eastern culture given herewith all the related haidths that proved that mo had sex with a 9 yearold aisha. Plus scientific evidence that the first sign of puberty doesnot equate to physicalk or psychological readiness for sex.
http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/childbrides.htm
this is YOUR POST DEBMEY. STOP TROWING FALSE ACCUSATION AT US. YOU ARE THE ONES WHO BRING UP THE ARABIC WORD INTO AN ISSUE. SO GIVE IT TO US. STOP ACTING LIKE A COW STUCK ON THE NOSE DEBMEY.
WHAT IS THE ARABIC WORD? ARE U BLURTING THOSE POST OUT WITHOUT ACTUALLY THINKING?
DUN BE A MORON AND AN IDIOT DEBMEY. |
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pukeymark punya kafir..
ko yang bukak cerita, lepas tuh ko nak fitnah aku.. ba.bi betul.. |
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There is no mistranslation at all, only denial by you muslims.
You are ashamed of Mohd's behavior cos you call him your role model and prophet |
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DEBMEY WHERE IS THE ARABIC WORD AS YOUR CLAIM THAT I HAVE JUST QUOTED...
DID YOUR MOTHER TEACH YOU TO BLURT AND BARK WITHOUT GIVING PROOF? |
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Originally posted by Debmey at 11-4-2008 03:06 PM
There is no mistranslation at all, only denial by you muslims.
You are ashamed of Mohd's behavior cos you call him your role model and prophet
[fly]*YAWN*[/fly]
Oh look, who's in denial now?
You've been messing up your head with this issue for four damn years and you still can't accept the fact or provide any evidence to support your claims.
Poor Debmey. |
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Aku ingat lah.. debmey ni kemaruk bab SEXS....
Hah.. luu pikirr laa sendirii bebb.. |
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Originally posted by pandora272 at 11-4-2008 04:09 PM
*YAWN*
Oh look, who's in denial now?
You've been messing up your head with this issue for four damn years and you still can't accept the fact or provide any evidence to support your c ...
i'm the one who is giving evidence. all muslism have done is to make excuses and denials w/o any evidence.
Come to think of it, you muslims even contradict yourself. some said he had sex with a 9 year old but he's no paedophile cos its for political purpose while others tried to deny the hadith totally and claim inaccuracy.
After 10 years, the issue will still be there cos mo was a paedophile.
Thanks for bringing up this thread and shjowing us you fellas have no answers to teh ahdiths.
cheers |
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Post time 11-4-2008 11:54 AM
