[MERGED]-Debmey: SHOW PROOF THAT PROPHET MOHAMMAD IS A PAEDOPHILE?

gunblade712 · Post time 10-4-2008 12:38 PM

say what you want..

like i said, i dun even know who is Mo.. how can i defend someone who i do not know?

cheers? no thanks, i dun drink with rude christians who acts like a cow..

pandora272 · Post time 10-4-2008 12:57 PM

Debmey, this is THE ACCEPTED DEFINITION OF PAEDOPHILIA :

The term paedophilia erotica was coined in 1886 by the Viennese psychiatrist Richard von Krafft-Ebing in his writing Psychopathia Sexualis.[6] He gave the following characteristics:

The sexual interest is toward pre-pubescent youths only. This interest does not extend to the first signs of pubic hair.
The sexual interest is toward pre-pubescent youths only and does not include teenagers.
The sexual interest remains over time.

Apparently, for the past 4 years, you were not able to give any proper answer other than your assumptions that is not based on facts or proper evidence.

My question to you is this :

1. Was there ever,any proof that Muhammad S.A.W actually had sex with 'Aisha when she was nine? You can't seem to answer that simple question.

2. Anti-Muslims labelled Rasulullah as a paedophile without even understanding the meaning of the word / term paedophilia.

The fact that Rasulullah married 'Aisha when she was nine, ACCORDING TO THE SOCIAL NORMS DURING THAT PERIOD IN TIME seems to escape the Anti-Muslim fanatics.

Shall I assume that Anti-Muslims are in fact of lesser intelligence since a simple fact like this escapes them?

3. According to the bible, Lot's daughters got their father drunk and had sex with him and got pregnant with HIS children after that. Shall I assume that Christians condone incest?

gunblade712 · Post time 10-4-2008 01:01 PM

thanks kak pan...

but i'd doubt that this christian cow understand (MARK THIS, I AM ONLY REFERRING TO DEBMEY AS THE CHRISTIAN COW, I HAVE TONNES AND TONNES OF CHRISTIAN FRIENDS WHO NEVER FAILED TO SHOW RESPECT TOWARDS ME, AND EVEN CALLED MY PROPHET BY SAYING "PROPHET MUHAMMAD PEACE BE UPON HIM" WHEN THEY TALK TO ME)...

.. and yes during debmey's 4 years of so-called conveying the truth, no proof has he given whatsoever..

Debmey · Post time 10-4-2008 01:02 PM

1. Was there ever,any proof that Muhammad S.A.W actually had sex with 'Aisha when she was nine? You can't seem to answer that simple question.

Yes sir, as recorded in the hadiths narated by Aisha herself. Haven't you been following the thread?

2. Anti-Muslims labelled Rasulullah as a paedophile without even understanding the meaning of the word / term paedophilia.

What do you call a man who had sex with a 9 year old girl?

The fact that Rasulullah married 'Aisha when she was nine, ACCORDING TO THE SOCIAL NORMS DURING THAT PERIOD IN TIME seems to escape the Anti-Muslim fanatics.

wrong, he actually took fancy of her and married her when she was only 6.
He started having sex with her when she was 9.

Shall I assume that Anti-Muslims are in fact of lesser intelligence since a simple fact like this escapes them?

You can probabkly assume that muslims are blinded for not seeing reality.

3. According to the bible, Lot's daughters got their father drunk and had sex with him and got pregnant with HIS children after that. Shall I assume that Christians condone incest?

Bible does record sins of men. It never said Lot's incest was condoned by God did it? Nope.

pandora272 · Post time 10-4-2008 01:29 PM

Debmey, my question to you is very simple.

I SAID : PROVE IT. SHOW ME WHICH HADITH ACTUALLY MENTIONED THAT RASULULLAH HAD SEX WITH 'AISHA WHEN SHE WAS 9.

I will not go and search for the hadith since YOU were the one who started the allegation. NOW, PROVE IT.

samyvellu · Post time 10-4-2008 01:37 PM

Originally posted by pandora272 at 10-4-2008 01:29 PM
Debmey, my question to you is very simple.

I SAID : PROVE IT. SHOW ME WHICH HADITH ACTUALLY MENTIONED THAT RASULULLAH HAD SEX WITH 'AISHA WHEN SHE WAS 9.

I will not go and search for the h ...

Dont show your ignorance here.
I think the hadiths is on page 80.

PROPHET MOHAMMAD IS A PAEDOPHILE

MrFed · Post time 10-4-2008 01:46 PM

already debunked by last statement by arifuzzman post 1982........so why must bring up this issue again & again.

this thread is going to an endless journey

pandora272 · Post time 10-4-2008 01:51 PM

Originally posted by samyvellu at 10-4-2008 01:37 PM

Dont show your ignorance here.
I think the hadiths is on page 80.

PROPHET MOHAMMAD IS A PAEDOPHILE

Oh, SAMYVELLU, you display the same lack of intelligence and knowledge as per the minister of your namesake.

DON'T SHOW YOUR COMPLETE IGNORANCE HERE, WHICH PART OF THE HADITH SAID THAT RASULULLAH ACTUALLY HAD SEX WITH THE 9-YEAR OLD 'AISHA?

Debmey · Post time 10-4-2008 02:26 PM

Originally posted by pandora272 at 10-4-2008 01:51 PM

Oh, SAMYVELLU, you display the same lack of intelligence and knowledge as per the minister of your namesake.

DON'T SHOW YOUR COMPLETE IGNORANCE HERE, WHICH PART OF THE HADITH SAID THAT RA ...

Which part? It has been shown many times over on this thread. Why don't you follow the thread?

gunblade712 · Post time 10-4-2008 02:50 PM

she asked, which part? point it out.

or are you just using u'r imagination to understand the hadith?

gunblade712 · Post time 10-4-2008 02:51 PM

she asked, which part? point it out.

or are you just using u'r imagination to understand the hadith?

ohh.. one more thing, debmey, if you follow the thread, all of your question was already debunked by someone.. did you follow the thread?

gunblade712 · Post time 10-4-2008 02:52 PM

she asked, which part? point it out.

or are you just using u'r imagination to understand the hadith?

ohh.. one more thing, debmey, if you follow the thread, all of your question was already debunked by someone.. did you follow the thread?

pandora272 · Post time 10-4-2008 04:58 PM

Originally posted by Debmey at 10-4-2008 02:26 PM

Which part? It has been shown many times over on this thread. Why don't you follow the thread?

Your ineptitude to answer questions are pathetic. If you can't prove it, don't walk around talking as if you actually knew what it's about.

For the record, the word "CONSUMMATE" means having sex IN WESTERN CULTURE but NOT IN THE EASTERN CULTURE.

That is not the case with Eastern or Middle-Eastern Culture. I have read that in some Middle-Eastern culture, consummating a marriage actually means that the couple is living in one house together OR the bride moving out from the family home to live with her husband's family, but NOT NECESSARILY HAVE SEX WITH EACH OTHER.

One more point I'd like to point out is that we women experience puberty as early as 8 years old and the AVERAGE AGE of puberty for women is between 9 - 14 years old. So it's not impossible for 'Aisha to experience puberty at the age of 9, IN FACT, IT'S NORMAL.

However, that being said, THERE HAS BEEN NO SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT RASULULLAH ACTUALLY HAD SEX WITH 'AISHA AT THE AGE OF 9.

IT WAS MERELY A WESTERN CONCEPT OF CONSUMMATION WHICH IS ACTUALLY DIFFERENT FROM THE EASTERN DEFINITION OF CONSUMMATION.

Please note that paedophiles usually target children who have not attained puberty. Once the child attained puberty or grew into adulthood, they (the paedophiles) lose interest in the child. 'Aisha was in fact Rasulullah's favourite wife and continued to live with Rasulullah until his death.

And another trait that exist among all paedophiles is that they continue to have interest in children throughout their lives. Other than 'Aisha who Rasulullah married at a young age, the other wives are married to Rasulullah when they are well in adulthood.

SO, IN WHAT WAY DOES THAT MAKE RASULULLAH A PAEDOPHILE?

OR WAS IT JUST A DISTORTED OPINION OF YOURS THAT YOU ARE DETERMINED TO FORCE ON US?

gunblade712 · Post time 10-4-2008 05:54 PM

debmey... care to answer?

Debmey · Post time 11-4-2008 05:38 AM

Originally posted by pandora272 at 10-4-2008 04:58 PM

Your ineptitude to answer questions are pathetic. If youcan't prove it, don't walk around talking as if you actually knew whatit's about.

The truth is, all your questions have already been answered thoroughly on this thread.
Your unwillingness to read makes you and all muslims pathetic to say the least.

For the record, the word "CONSUMMATE" means having sex IN WESTERN CULTURE but NOT IN THE EASTERN CULTURE.

What rubbish. If you really studied teh ahdiths in Arabic, you would know that consumate does mean having sex.

That is not the case with Eastern or Middle-EasternCulture. I have read that in some Middle-Eastern culture, consummatinga marriage actually means that the couple is living in one house together OR the bride moving out from the family home to live with her husband's family, but NOT NECESSARILY HAVE SEX WITH EACH OTHER.

In the case of the hadith, it does mean sex.
There is no evidence to suggest that consumation of marriage means different thing in eastern culture.

One more point I'd like to point out is that we women experience puberty as early as 8 years old and the AVERAGE AGE of puberty for women is between 9 - 14 years old. So it's not impossible for 'Aisha to experience puberty at the age of 9, IN FACT, IT'S NORMAL.

Nobody has doubted that Aisha started entering puberty at 9.
In other words, you have shown that you have no read or followed teh thread before you posted.

However, that being said, THERE HAS BEEN NO SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT RASULULLAH ACTUALLY HAD SEX WITH 'AISHA AT THE AGE OF 9.

The hadiths said it all sis.

IT WAS MERELY A WESTERN CONCEPT OF CONSUMMATION WHICH IS ACTUALLY DIFFERENT FROM THE EASTERN DEFINITION OF CONSUMMATION.

not if you know your hadith and arabic.

Please note that paedophiles usually target children who have not attained puberty. Once the child attained puberty or grew into adulthood, they (the paedophiles) lose interest in the child. 'Aisha was in fact Rasulullah's favourite wife and continued to live with Rasulullah until his death.

mohd took fancy of aisha when she was only 6.
A 9 year old is a child, period.

And another trait that exist among all paedophiles isthat they continue to have interest in children throughout their lives.Other than 'Aisha who Rasulullah married at a young age, the otherwives are married to Rasulullah when they are well in adulthood.

a paedophile can have interest in sex with adults too. Just as a rapist can have consentual sex as well.

SO, IN WHAT WAY DOES THAT MAKE RASULULLAH A PAEDOPHILE?

taking fancy of a 6 year old and having sex with her when she was only 9 years old.

OR WAS IT JUST A DISTORTED OPINION OF YOURS THAT YOU ARE DETERMINED TO FORCE ON US?

I'm not the one distorting reality of mohd's paedophilia, you are.

BTW, a deep study of the word consumate in eastern culture given here with all the related haidths that proved that mo had sex with a 9 year old aisha. Plus scientific evidence that the first sign of puberty does not equate to physicalk or psychological readiness for sex.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/childbrides.htm

Presa1200 · Post time 11-4-2008 07:14 AM

Debmey before you accuse anything better you read this:

The Talmud is Jewish holiest book. It is a record of rabbinic discussions pertaining toJewish law, ethics, customs, and history. Its authority takes precedence over the Old Testament (Torah/Taurat) in Judaism.

Here are some teachings of the Jewish Talmud:

1)Moed Kattan 17a: If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there.

2)Erubin 21b. Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell.

3)Sanhedrin 58b. If a gentile (Non-Jewish) hits a Jew, the gentile must be killed.

4)Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a gentile (Non-Jewish) it does not have to be returned.

5)Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a gentile (Non-Jewish), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep.

6)Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies (subterfuges) to circumvent a Gentile (Non-Jewish).

7)Yebamoth 98a. All gentile (Non-Jewish) children are animals.

8)Abodah Zarah 22a-22b . Gentiles (Non-Jewish) prefer sex with cows.

The Jewish Talmud insults Christian:

1)Sanhedrin 106a. Says Jesus抯 Mother was a whore: "She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters."Also in footnote no.2 to Shabbath 104b of the Soncino edition, it is stated that in the "uncensored" text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother, "Miriam the hairdresser," had sex with many men.

Also cursed all Christian and Bible:

1)Rosh Hashanah 17a. Christians (minnim) and others who reject the Talmud will go to hell and be punished there for all generations.

2)Shabbath 116a. Jews must destroy the books of the Christians, i.e. the New Testament.

Dr. Israel Shahak of Hebrew University reports that the Israelis burned hundreds of New Testament Bibles in occupied Palestine on March 23,1980 (cf. Jewish History, Jewish Religion, p. 21).

Sick and Insane teachings of the Jewish Talmud:

1)Yebamoth 63a. States that Adam had sexual intercourse with all the animals in the Garden of Eden.

2)Yebamoth 63a. Declares that agriculture is the lowest ofoccupations.

3)Sanhedrin 55b. A Jew may marry a three year old girl(specifically, three years "and a day" old).

4)Sanhedrin 54b. A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old.

5)Kethuboth 11b. "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing."

6)Yebamoth 59b. A woman who had intercourse with a beast is eligible to marry a Jewish priest. A woman who has sex with a demon is also eligible to marry a Jewish priest.

7)Menahoth 43b-44a. A Jewish man is obligated to say the following prayer every day: Thank you God for not making me a gentile(Non-Jewish), a woman or a slave.

source:

http://www.revisionisthistory.org/talmudtruth.html

Aren't you the one trusting the Jews so much? Better give up insulting Islam because you have been used by the Jews. And even there is a word "Gentile" specially used for isolating between Jew and non-Jewish people. What kind of racism is it?

[ Last edited by Presa1200 at 11-4-2008 07:19 AM ]

samyvellu · Post time 11-4-2008 07:44 AM

Originally posted by pandora272 at 10-4-2008 04:58 PM

Your ineptitude to answer questions are pathetic. If you can't prove it, don't walk around talking as if you actually knew what it's about.

For the record, the word "CONSUMMATE" means hav ...

provide a reference please.

pandora272 · Post time 11-4-2008 07:55 AM

Debmey, the crux of the matter is this : YOU CAN'T PROVE THAT RASULULLAH WAS A PAEDOPHILE. NOBODY IS ABLE TO PROVE THAT.

The hadith merely mentioned the word CONSUMMATE which means completion. The term CONSUMMATING A MARRIAGE differs from one culture to another. IT DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN HAVING SEX.

Poor Debmey.

You lost to Ari Fuzzman and you lost to us and can't even prove anything or provide any solid evidence. Your only evidence is a hadith that does not even mention anything about Rasulullah having sex with a 9-year old 'Aisha.

You used the term CONSUMMATE freely without even considering other people's opinion.

pandora272 · Post time 11-4-2008 07:57 AM

Originally posted by samyvellu at 11-4-2008 07:44 AM

provide a reference please.

Meh, you can't even prove that Rasulullah had sex with 'Aisha when she was nine. Tsk. It's laughable when you can't even prove anything other than your assumption.

samyvellu · Post time 11-4-2008 08:05 AM

Originally posted by pandora272 at 11-4-2008 07:57 AM

Meh, you can't even prove that Rasulullah had sex with 'Aisha when she was nine. Tsk. It's laughable when you can't even prove anything other than your assumption.

You cant prove that rt?
So you are just making up stories.
Dont make stupid theory that the word CONSUMMATE differs from one culture to another.

The fact is,
Mohd is a sick paedophile.

Dont twist the facts.