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where yahweh or ONE N ONLY ONE GOD calls on imported outcast jews to rape PALESTINE n genocide PALESTINIANS to get israel? where? :hmm:
From KJV Ezekiel 26:1-21
Ezekiel 26:1 And it came to pass in the eleventh year, in the first day of the month, that the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
Ezekiel 26:2 Son of man, because that Tyrus hath said against Jerusalem, Aha, she is broken that was the gates of the people: she is turned unto me: I shall be replenished, now she is laid waste:
Ezekiel 26:3 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Tyrus, and will cause many nations to come up against thee, as the sea causeth his waves to come up.
Ezekiel 26:4 And they shall destroy the walls of Tyrus, and break down her towers: I will also scrape her dust from her, and make her like the top of a rock.
Ezekiel 26:5 It shall be a place for the spreading of nets in the midst of the sea: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD: and it shall become a spoil to the nations.
Ezekiel 26:6 And her daughters which are in the field shall be slain by the sword; and they shall know that I am the LORD.
Ezekiel 26:7 For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will bring upon Tyrus Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, a king of kings, from the north, with horses, and with chariots, and with horsemen, and companies, and much people.
Ezekiel 26:8 He shall slay with the sword thy daughters in the field: and he shall make a fort against thee, and cast a mount against thee, and lift up the buckler against thee.
Ezekiel 26:9 And he shall set engines of war against thy walls, and with his axes he shall break down thy towers.
Ezekiel 26:10 By reason of the abundance of his horses their dust shall cover thee: thy walls shall shake at the noise of the horsemen, and of the wheels, and of the chariots, when he shall enter into thy gates, as men enter into a city wherein is made a breach.
Ezekiel 26:11 With the hoofs of his horses shall he tread down all thy streets: he shall slay thy people by the sword, and thy strong garrisons shall go down to the ground.
Ezekiel 26:12 And they shall make a spoil of thy riches, and make a prey of thy merchandise: and they shall break down thy walls, and destroy thy pleasant houses: and they shall lay thy stones and thy timber and thy dust in the midst of the water.
Ezekiel 26:13 And I will cause the noise of thy songs to cease; and the sound of thy harps shall be no more heard.
Ezekiel 26:14 And I will make thee like the top of a rock: thou shalt be a place to spread nets upon; thou shalt be built no more: for I the LORD have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD.
Ezekiel 26:15 Thus saith the Lord GOD to Tyrus; Shall not the isles shake at the sound of thy fall, when the wounded cry, when the slaughter is made in the midst of thee?
Ezekiel 26:16 Then all the princes of the sea shall come down from their thrones, and lay away their robes, and put off their broidered garments: they shall clothe themselves with trembling; they shall sit upon the ground, and shall tremble at every moment, and be asto
Ezekiel 26:17 And they shall take up a lamentation for thee, and say to thee, How art thou destroyed, that wast inhabited of seafaring men, the renowned city, which wast strong in the sea, she and her inhabitants, which cause their terror to be on all that haunt it!
Ezekiel 26:18 Now shall the isles tremble in the day of thy fall; yea, the isles that are in the sea shall be troubled at thy departure.
Ezekiel 26:19 For thus saith the Lord GOD; When I shall make thee a desolate city, like the cities that are not inhabited; when I shall bring up the deep upon thee, and great waters shall cover thee;
Ezekiel 26:20 When I shall bring thee down with them that descend into the pit, with the people of old time, and shall set thee in the low parts of the earth, in places desolate of old, with them that go down to the pit, that thou be not inhabited; and I shall set glor
Ezekiel 26:21 I will make thee a terror, and thou shalt be no more: though thou be sought for, yet shalt thou never be found again, saith the Lord GOD.
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Originally posted by samerosie at 2004-6-22 05:31 PM:
Hello everyone,
I'm not Debbie or Ste or whoever you thought I was. I had found this forum by accident and started to post only last week.
welcome on board kiddo. r u changin color from little rosie to summer rosie? thats cool. thats right learn from the start to post based on HARDfacts n whack those who post based on wigglin wagglin 
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Originally posted by samerosie at 2004-6-22 06:42 PM:
Surah 5 like the OT (see Samuel and Kings) also states that should the Children of Israel disobey God's commandments they will lose the kingdom. See further in Surah 5:12-13 then in Surah 5:25 Mos ...
Yes, the illegal settlement remains but there was no discussion about the settlement of Palestinian refugees returning.
thats right the HARDfact remains the jews get their israel by dirty means
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Today there are approximately 5 million Palestinian refugees throughout the world. There are about 3.5 million Palestinian refugees registered with the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA). 33% live in 59 UNRWA refugee camps and 67% are scattered throughout various countries. There are approximately 1.5 million non-registered refugees scattered throughout the Arab world.
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Originally posted by samerosie at 2004-6-22 08:01 PM:
Jews are sitting on their own land, it belongs to them.
Jews like Menachem Begin, Ariel Sharon, Golda Meir etc were/are Akhenazi Jews. They are of European descendants and were/are not the orig ...
So, the original original Jews who has been living in Israel for generations are being disriminated to make way to this "white" Jews.
the HARDbottomline is native PALESTINIANS r bein discriminated. outcast imported jews r cruel to the core
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United Nations (UN) General Assembly approved in 1947 a new partition plan, 749,000 Arabs and 9,250 Jews lived in the territory where the proposed Arab state would be set up, while 497,000 Arabs and 498,000 Jews lived in the part which was to become the Jewish state.
Discrimination Against Non-Jews (Israeli-Arabs) citizens of Israel: 1. Israeli-Arabs are discriminated against based on military service. Israeli-Arabs don't serve in the Israeli Army and most job applications require, implicitly at least, army service for employment. Also, "Arab towns and villages have been disadvantaged in the allocation of budgets and services, leading to wide gaps in development between most Arab localities and their Jewish neighbors" -- Alouph Hareven, Near East Report (AIPAC newsletter), 10/11/1993
2. The Christian population of (the ever expanding) Jerusalem was 30,000 in 1948; today it is 2000, due to the systematic ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from that and other areas around Israel. (Paul Findley's Deliberate Deceptions, 1996) Unlike Jews, Arabs are always denied a permission to build and expand.
3. 92% of the land in Israel falls under the Administration of the Jewish National Fund, where the land can not be sold to non-Jews. Result: the 18% Israeli-Arabs own only 4% of the land.
4. If, say, a Peruvian converts to Judaism and emigrates to Israel, he immediately has more rights than Israeli-Arabs who have lived in the land for many centuries.
5. "Israel was among the countries cited for discrimination in the U.S. State Department's first annual assessment of religious persecution around the world. While Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Serbia and Burma were subject to some of the report's harshest criticism, Israel was cited for denying its Arab population the same quality of social services that the nation's Jews receive." The Jewish Telegraphic Agency (9/13/99)
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Originally posted by Adm_Cheng_Ho at 2004-6-22 08:21 PM:
samerosie aka lilrosie aka Aggie aka KENNKID,
Not going to respond konon. Come up with another newbie moniker to continue with me.
The Qur'an refers to the exiles, but leaves it open for re ...
brayin donkey aka bro deb***sfe aka ADMIRAL
the HARDfact remains outcast imported jews didnt follow no bible or koran or torah when they rape PALESTINE n genocide PALESTINIANS 
Wednesday, 23-Jul-2003 10:21AM Story from AFP / Christian Chaise
Copyright 2003 by Agence France-Presse (via ClariNet)
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JERUSALEM, July 23 (AFP) - Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon is continuing to defy Washington over the ongoing project for a massive fence dividing Israel from the West Bank, which is strongly opposed by the Palestinians and not fully accepted even within his own camp.
A vote slated to take place Tuesday in the Israeli parliament to decide on extra funding to complete the structure was postponed until further notice, a Knesset spokesman told AFP.
Public radio said the delay was caused by members of Sharon's Likud party, who defied their leader's call Monday to approve the 750-million-shekel (170-million-dollar) package and demanded the route of the fence be further discussed.
On Monday, Defence Minister Shaul Mofaz confirmed the 350-kilometre (215-mile) fence -- aimed at preventing infiltrations by Palestinian militants -- would penetrate some 15 kilometres (10 miles) into the West Bank to take in Ariel, one of the largest Jewish settlements in the West Bank.
According to public radio, Mofaz argued that the fence -- which he said would cost 2.2 million dollars a kilometre (1,100 yards) -- was "vital" for Israel's security.
If it was not completed, the deployment of extra army reservists would be even more costly, he warned.
The fence loosely follows the 1967 Green Line division between Israel and the West Bank, but it dips deep into occupied Palestinian territory at several points in order to protect settlements.
It also leaves several Palestinian villages cut off from the rest of the West Bank.
The Palestinians accuse Israel of using the fence to unilaterally determine the borders of a future Palestinian state -- scheduled under the US-backed peace roadmap to be in place in 2005 -- and of wanting to "ethnically cleanse" the West Bank with a de facto annexation of its most fertile regions.
Construction of the fence was launched in June 2002. It is also expected to cut annexed east Jerusalem off from the rest of the West Bank and a first 145-kilometre (90-mile) section is due for completion in July.
Even though prospects for peace are better than they have been for years, Sharon told his followers Monday that the best possible fence must be built as quickly as possible.
Opinion polls show that a majority of Israelis are in favour of it, though paradoxically the religious right, including settlers, are opposed, saying that the biblical Israel includes the West Bank and should not be divided.
US President George W. Bush's national security advisor Condoleezza Rice, on a visit to Jerusalem at the end of June, asked Sharon to revise the line of the fence.
Sharon refused to compromise but assured Rice that it was not a frontier.
A second section, of some 60-70 kilometres (36-42 miles), is under construction in the northeast of the West Bank, to prevent infiltrations in the north of the Jordan Velley.
"We envisage that this barrier will run along the length of the Palestinian territories," government spokesman Avi Pazner told AFP.
The Israeli daily Maariv, for its part, said that the various meanderings of the fence, which in one part near Jenin consists of a high concrete wall, would bring its total length to between 800 and 900 kilometres (490 and 550 miles).
At the price per kilometre given by Mofaz this would cost a staggering 1.8 billion dollars, at a time when Israel is in severe economic straits.
Palestinian prime minister Mahmud Abbas will raise the question of the fence when he has his first White House meeting with Bush on Friday. And Bush is almost certain to raise it with Sharon at their talks four days later.
A foreign diplomat, however, said that Sharon still appeared to be ambivalent.
"Sharon was elected at the beginning of 2001. So he has been around two and a half years and he hasn't built the wall. So I think he is delaying it as much as possible ... hoping he can push it to the back burner."
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The Qur'an adumbrates several principles that hover around a common theme: God does not love injustice and will assist those who are wrongly treated. And it focuses so much on this that the person most mentioned in the Qur'an is Moses -- who is presented as God's revolutionary, and who leads a people despised and tormented for no other reason than that they worshipped God, out of the land of bondage to the Promised Holy Land.
The Qur'an in Chapter 5: 20-21 states quite clearly: Moses said to his people: O my people! Remember the bounty of God upon you when He bestowed prophets upon you , and made you kings and gave you that which had not been given to anyone before you amongst the nations. O my people! Enter the Holy Land which God has written for you, and do not turn tail, otherwise you will be losers."
The Quran goes on to say why the Israelites were not allowed to enter the land for forty years...but the thrust of my analysis is where Moses says that the Holy Land is that which God has "written" for the Israelites. In both Jewish and Islamic understandings of the term "written", there is the meaning of finality, decisiveness and immutability. And so we have the Written Torah (unchangeable) and the Oral Torah (which represents change to suit times). And in the Qur'an we have "Written upon you is the fast"--to show that this is something that is decreed, and which none can change. So the simple fact is then, from a faith-based point of view: If God has "written" Israel for the people of Moses, who can change this?
The Qur'an refers to the exiles, but leaves it open for return...saying to the Jews that if they keep their promise to God, then God will keep the divine promise to them. WE may argue that the present state of Israel was not created in the most peaceful means, and that many were displaced--for me, this is not the issue. The issue is that when the Muslims entered that land in the seventh century, they were well aware of its rightful owners, and when they failed to act according to divine mandate (at least as perceived by followers of all Abrahamic faiths), they aided and abetted in a crime. And the present situation shows the fruits of that action--wherein innocent Palestinians and Israelis are being killed on a daily basis.
I also draw your attention to the fact that the medieval exegetes of Qur'an--without any exception known to me--recognized Israel as belonging to the Jews, their birthright given to them. Indeed, two of Islam's most famous exegetes explained "written" from Quran 5:21 thus:
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u spam me spam. simple ;)
MID-EAST STRIFE:
RE-DISCOVERING THE BIBLE'S FORGOTTEN SOLUTION
By Rev. Ted Pike
The raging conflict in the Middle East sparks two essential questions. First: Do the Jews own Palestine? The answer is yes. Scripture makes it clear that the land of Palestine was given by God to the physical descendants of Abraham. (Gen. 12:7, 13-14-17- 11 Chron. 20:7; Acts 7:5)
Secondly- Do the Jews have the right to occupy Palestine? The answer to this question is no! Scripture states that if Israel rejects Jesus, (Yahweh) who brought them into Canaan, He will expel them from the land. They can never lawfully return until they are obedient to their rejected Messiah.
Yahweh's conditional terms of occupancy are bluntly laid down in Leviticus 26-27,33. "Yet if in spite of this you do not obey me, but act with hostility against me, then I will act with wrathful hostility against you ... You ... I will scatter among the nations and will draw out a sword after you, as your land becomes desolate and your cities become waste."
Deuteronomy 4:25-27 continues: "When you do that which is evil in the sight of the Lord your God so as to provoke him to anger, I call heaven and earth to witness against you today that you shall surely perish quickly from the land ... You shall not live long on it, but shall be utterly destroyed. And the Lord will scatter you among the nations, where the Lord shall drive you."
And in Deuteronomy 58:63-4- "if you are not careful to observe all the words of this law ... you shall be torn from the land where you are entering to possess it. Moreover, the Lord will scatter you among all peoples."
In the Old Testament, when Israel and Judah abandoned Yahweh, both nations were exiled from Palestine: Israel by the Assyrians in 722 B.C., Judah by the Babylonians in 597 B.C.
Only abject repentance entitled a small minority of Judeans, under Ezra and Nehemiah, to return from Babylon and again occupy their land of promise. After the remnant Jews' rejection and crucifixion of Christ, they also were scattered among the nations in fulfillment of God's ancient decree.
Since their expulsion under Titus in 70 A.D., the Jews still have not repented. They have not given Christ the obedience He demands.
Who Has Rights of Occupation? Who, then, are the legitimate occupants of Palestine today? When God exiled Judah under Nebuchadnezzar in 597 B.C. He allowed various mixed people, later called Samaritans, to occupy Judea. Such occupancy was not conditional on righteousness. What was important was that rebellious Jews not occupy the land.
Similarly, when God expelled the Jews from Palestine in 70 A.D. He allowed various peoples eventually known as Palestinian Arabs to occupy the land in lieu of Jewish obedience.
Do the Palestinians own the land? They do not. But they do have divine approval, as did the ancient Samaritans, to become tenants of the land until Israel repents.
Someday, out of great tribulation, a remnant of Jews will give God the obedience He demands. Christ will lead this believing remnant back to the land of their forefathers; they will dwell there lawfully, in peace and safety. This will be the only legitimate return the Jews will make to Palestine since their rejection of Christ 2000 years ago. It will gloriously fulfill hundreds of Old Testament prophecies. (Isa. 4:4, 10:20, 59:20; Hos.14:4; Joel 2:18-20; Zeph. 2:7, 3:11-13) Until that time, God calls heaven and earth to testify that unbelieving Jews must remain dispersed, scattered, "wandering" among the nations (Deut. 4:25-27). And yet, as in ancient Babylon, God encouraged them to build, plant, marry and take root in the land of their dispersion, and to "seek the welfare of the city where I have sent you into exile." (Jer. 29:4-7)
The proper role for unbelieving Jews is to dwell scattered among the very safe and prosperous Jewish communities in New York, London, Paris, etc. They are not to wrest Palestine from its divinely approved occupants, thus inciting persecution and hatred against Jews worldwide. This timeless principle of "no obedience, no occupancy" was illustrated in the time of Joshua. (Num. 13:25-33; 14:1-45) God invited the Hebrews to occupy Palestine by faith. Yet when unbelief emerged, He refused to let them in. When the people decided they wanted to penetrate the land anyway, God rejected them, ultimately condemning them to wander and die in the wilderness. Only a new, obedient generation (like the later generation under Ezra and Nehemiah) would be allowed to take root in a land dedicated to obedience.
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What sonny didn't know is that Ezekiel 26 expressly said that the return of Jews were solely by God's grace and not by works.
The Bible therefore does support & prophesied the return of the Jews just like the Quran.
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You got it right sonny!!
Debmey fail to see the point that Israel broke the God's law, thus they do not entitled to their promised land anymore.
According to Qur'an:
The Qur'an in Chapter 5: 20-21 states quite clearly: Moses said to his people: O my people! Remember the bounty of God upon you when He bestowed prophets upon you , and made you kings and gave you that which had not been given to anyone before you amongst the nations. O my people! Enter the Holy Land which God has written for you, and do not turn tail, otherwise you will be losers."
And according to Bible:
Leviticus 26-27,33. "Yet if in spite of this you do not obey me, but act with hostility against me, then I will act with wrathful hostility against you ... You ... I will scatter among the nations and will draw out a sword after you, as your land becomes desolate and your cities become waste."
And the funny thing, Debmey really love to defend the people who "kill" his god and denied "his god".... yet he insist to justified "god's promised" land for them.... that's the power of Israel brain washing!
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yup the jews dont deserve socalled promise land coz they've murdered jesus (accordin to bible) n they dont believe in muhammad (accordin to koran).
thats why they dont get israel with god's blessin but thru deceptive means ie thru lobbyin un. n without god's blessin, the jews gonna know no peace. uh huh. they will continue livin like outcast imported jews rapin PALESTINE n genocide PALESTINIANS till doomsday. tough luck
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Originally posted by Debmey at 2004-6-23 12:54 PM:
What sonny didn't know is that Ezekiel 26 expressly said that the return of Jews were solely by God's grace and not by works.
The Bible therefore does support & prophesied the return ...
where ezekiel 26 says outcast imported jews gonna get israel by gods grace? where? cut n paste ere. be brave now n no hecklin
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lets take ezekiel 36:24. where its stated god teaches outcast imported jews to get israel thru rapin PALESTINE n genocide PALESTINIANS? where? intelligent response now n with HARDproofs now
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Ezekiel 36:24
Ezekiel 36
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"`For I will take you out of the nations; I will gather you from all the countries and bring you back into your own land.
(New International Version translation)
Israel would be re-gathered
Bible passage: Ezekiel 36:24
Prophet: Ezekiel
Written: between 593-571 BC
Fulfilled: Partially in the 1900s
In Ezekiel 36:24, the prophet said that the Jews would be re-gathered to Israel. This prophecy was partially fulfilled after the Babylonian Captivity, which took place about 2600 years ago. This prophecy has been partially fulfilled again during the 1900s when millions of Jews returned to their ancient homeland. As of the year 2001, about 6 million Jews reside in Israel and an estimated 12 million Jews live in other countries, including the United States.
- Research and commentary by George and Raymond Konig of www.AboutBibleProphecy.com
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Thank you sonny, thanks for showing us that the Bible prophesied teh return of the Jews.
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Originally posted by Debmey at 2004-6-23 02:34 PM:
Thank you sonny, thanks for showing us that the Bible prophesied teh return of the Jews.
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n u nuthin to say why outcast imported jews raped PALESTINE n genocide PALESTINIANS as they're doin now if god truly wanna em have PALESTINE as israel. right?
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Originally posted by sonny~~ at 2004-6-23 09:54 AM:
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No raping and no genocide involved sir. Yu must be halucinating.
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Originally posted by Debmey at 2004-6-23 03:01 PM:
No raping and no genocide involved sir. Yu must be halucinating.
cheers
really? how outcast import jews get to havin PALESTINE divided so that israel can exist then? be brave now. no hecklin. read
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The record of Israeli terrorism goes back to the origins of the state - indeed, long before - including the massacre of 250 civilians and brutal expulsion of seventy thousand others from Lydda and Ramle in July 1948; the massacre of hundreds of others at the undefended village of Doueimah near Hebron in October 1948;...the slaughters in Quibya, Kafr Kassem, and a string of other assassinated villages; the expulsion of thousands of Bedouins from the demilitarized zones shortly after the 1948 war and thousands more from northeastern Sinai in the early 1970's, their villages destroyed, to open the region for Jewish settlement; and on, and on." Noam Chomsky, "Blaming The Victims," ed. Said and Hitchens.
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fcuking boring this board. same faces same sides. same opposition. same countries. same foes.
remember - no religion on this board.
when are u jackasees going to learn - there is eternally no agreement between the protagonists. no here either.
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