Islamic civilisation more advanced than decadent Western culture

MENJ

This is the proof that Islamic civilisation were at the height of their supremacy over the (read: borrowed from Islam) advancements madeby the West over the past few decades or so. It does makes it certainthat with Islamic rule, the Muslims were at the pinnacle of their gloryand excellence.

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http://www.menj.org/2007/02/23/islamic-civilisation-more-advanced-than-decadent-western-culture/

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Presa1200

Originally posted by MENJ at 24-2-2007 12:25 AM
This is the proof that Islamic civilisation were at the height of their supremacy over the (read: borrowed from Islam) advancements madeby the West over the past few decades or so. It does makes  ...

Yes, this is for sure. This is agree by archeologists around the world researches.

Islamic civilization is nearly 500 years more advanced than western technology at that time. Imagine, at that time western were using cellphone, but the cellphone actually has been discovered by Islamic scholar 500 years ago... .that's the example only.

During the islamic civilization archieved the highest technology values during 9 century the western still living in Dark Age. Many of the islamic knowledge and scriptures are translated into european languages for references and knowledge exchange.

There are many knowledge that discovered by Islamic scholar that still be using until today in most critical calculation, such as the trigonometry in construction work, algebra in mathematical alignment, and so on.

During that time, islamic scholar successfully corrected the mistakes made by ancient scientist, such as optometry and astronomy. Ancient scientist believe that it was the eye of human emits lightray for visual. But islamic scholar corrected their theory by saying it is actually the human eye receives lightray from object and thus sent to the brain thru nerves and impulses. Also, ancient astrologist believed stars and cosmic object were held in place by strings. But islamic scholar corrected the mistake by saying cosmic objects (stars, planets, sun...) are actually held in its invisible orbit, with the aid from Quran, Allah says:

It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit. (yasin:40)

But imagine this verse from Quran recited out from prophet Muhammad's mouth 1,400++ years ago. How can he know about this if it's not from Allah?

Also,

And the sun runs on to a term appointed for it; that is the ordinance of the Mighty, the Knowing. (yasin 38)

This verse is telling us that the sun even is spinning at its own axis, but it still moving away from other stars. It proves that the universe is expanding and all cosmic objects tends to move away from each other, including the galaxy.

What i told was just only a small portion from the islamic knowledge. There are many more such as the location calculation using trigonometry, Qiblat calculation using Astrolabe Quadrat and so on.

[ Last edited by  Presa1200 at 24-2-2007 01:09 AM ]

Debmey

If islamic culture is so advanced, why are islamic societies so immoral, chaotic and poor.

WLIO

Originally posted by Presa1200 at 24-2-2007 01:05 AM


Yes, this is for sure. This is agree by archeologists around the world researches.

Islamic civilization is nearly 500 years more advanced than western technology at that time. Imagine, at  ...

Yes 1000000% agree

Presa1200

Originally posted by Debmey at 24-2-2007 01:08 AM
If islamic culture is so advanced, why are islamic societies so immoral, chaotic and poor.

We cannot deny the truth islam was once more advanced than western countries.

If it happened that nowadays muslim are corrupted due to the lack of attention towards the importance of Science and knowledge. They tend to seperate from each other and do not unite together. The weaker ones are being oppressed by western powers, without enough financial aid and suitable place so how could they developed?

I did not say ALL knowledge are from Islamic community but what i want to hint, since islam was onced successful, then it is not impossible for the Islam nowaday to raise again.

Also, some of the advantages that muslim taking knowledge from Quran is true, such as the astronomy. Even Quran onced describe similar to the happening of supernova explosion:

At Tariq, 1-3

swear by the heaven(outer space) and the comer by night. And what will make you know what the comer by night is? The star of piercing(perforated) brightness.

If you understand the borning of stars such as Nova, Super Nova, you will know when a star going to end its lifetime, it will emits a great explosion in order to shorten up the time taken fo dying. The explosion brings smaller parts and also dust into the space. After a long time, the parts will turn into gaesous state and another star is born. The explosion creates a dense light that perforated into the space, and this perforated light is called "Al-Tariq".

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FaiQ_FeuhRer

muslims will only be succesful and advance in life when they practise islam to the fullest, while others can only be succesful and advance when the leave their religion to the furthest... history prove that...

Presa1200

Originally posted by FaiQ_FeuhRer at 24-2-2007 01:28 AM
muslims will only be succesful and advance in life when they practise islam to the fullest, while others can only be succesful and advance when the leave their religion to the furthest... history ...

Indeed, during the islamic civilization muslims are practiced their lifestyle 100% following the Islam way. They accepted quran and sunnah of prophet Muhammad, yet they still can be successful. This is all undeniable by historical prove.

They are wearing Turban and jubah, they did not so fanatic with western styles, yet they still can be successful.

Why and how could this happened? because their lives was not ruined by alchohol, free sexual mixing, and those whichever prohibited by Allah.

Maybe unbelievers will say all this only history. But do bear in mind, history means testimonial, which guided us away from mistakes and corruption.

[ Last edited by  Presa1200 at 24-2-2007 01:35 AM ]

FaiQ_FeuhRer

and european only left their dark ages when they left the churches...

Presa1200

Originally posted by FaiQ_FeuhRer at 24-2-2007 01:36 AM
and european only left their dark ages when they left the churches...

that's y, western scientists think that the involving of God in science is pretty unacceptable.

They do believe God (well, some of them), yet they still accept the law of natural selection rather than God's fated.

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WLIO

10 Greatest Inventions by Muslims 19.12.2006

Muslims invented coffee

1. Coffee
The story goes that an Arab named Khalid was tending his goats in the Kaffa region of southern Ethiopia, when he noticed hi s animals became livelier after eating a certain berry. He boiled the berries to maket he first coffee. Certainly the first record of the drink is of beans exported from Ethiopia to Yemen where Sufis drank it to stay awake all night to pray on special occasions. By the late 15th century it had arrived in Mecca and Turkey from where it made its way to Venice in1645. It was brought to England in 1650 by a Turk named Pasqua Roseewho opened the first coffee house in Lombard Street in the City of London . The Arabic qahwa became the Turkish kahve then the Italian caff

rurouni_khairul

I've also heard that the Muslims are the first people of Europe to discover to continent of America 100 years before Columbus did. Columbus found the map to the new continent from a jewish family in Cyprus which their speciality is drawing maps. The jewish family own a copy of the map from the vikings who used to engaged their service. Those vikings used the map to travel to northern america which is now known as Canada and they also got the copy of those map from Muslims travellers.

Prior the discovery made by Columbus, Europeans thought that a journey accross the Atlantic will let them fall since they believed at that time that the world is flat.

WLIO

Yes, Muslim are first to recognize the US...


recognition 5.
politics acceptance of country's existence: the formal acceptance by one country of the independent and legal status of another

http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_/recognition.html

Diplomatic recognition is a political act by which one state acknowledges an act or status of another state or government, thereby according it legitimacy and expressing its intent to bring into force the domestic and international legal consequences of recognition. Recognition can be accorded either de facto or de jure, usually by a statement of the recognising government.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplomatic_recognition


Morocco was the first nation, in 1777, to recognize the fledgling United Statesas an independent nation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morocco

During the American Revolution, so many American ships called at the port of Tangiers that the Continental Congress sought recognition from the"Emperor" of Morocco. This was accorded, in effect, in 1777, making Morocco the first country to recognize the fledging American republic. Negotiation of a formal treaty began in 1783, and resulted in the signing in 1786of the Moroccan-American Treaty of Friendship. John Adams and Thomas  Jefferson, both future U.S. Presidents, were the American signatories.
http://www.moroccanamericantrade.com/relations.cfm

Morocco was the first country to seek diplomatic relations with the Government of the United States in 1777, and remains one of our oldest and closest allies in the region.
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/5431.htm

• The Sultan issued a declaration on December 20, 1777, announcing that all vessels sailing under the American flag could freely enter Moroccan ports
• By issuing this declaration, Morocco became one of the first states to acknowledge publicly the independence of the American Republic.
• On February 2O, l778, the sultan of Morocco reissued his December 20, 1777, declaration.
• Information about the Sultan's desire for friendly relations with the United States first reached Benjamin Franklin, one of the American commissioners in Paris, sometime in late April or early May 1778 from Etienne d'Audibert Caille, a French merchant of Sale...When Franklin wrote to the committee on Foreign Affairs in May 1779, he reported he had received two letters from a Frenchman who "offered to act as our Minister with the Emperor"
• Caille also wrote to John Jay, the American representative at Madrid, on April 21,1780,asking for help in conveying the Sultan's message to Congress...Jay received that letter with enclosures in May 1780, but because it was not deemed to be of great importance, he did not forward it and its enclosures to Congress until November 30, 1780.

http://www.usembassy.ma/usmorrelations/historicalbgrnd.htm




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Presa1200

Originally posted by WLIO at 24-2-2007 02:04 AM
Yes, Muslim are first to recognize the US...


recognition  5.
politics acceptance of country's existence: the formal acceptance by one country of the independent and legal status of anothe ...

All praise to Allah that gives award for those who worked hard.

hiburanmalam

thanks guys for the great articles

Debmey

The question is still not answered.

If islamic culture is advance, why atre muslims so immoral and poor today?

Chinese culture is more advance than islamicf culture any time throughout history.  Besides, most of the so call islamic discocveries were nothing but copied technology from non muslims. So what is there for muslims to boast about?

Look at msia today. Why are non muslims excelling over muslims by so much? Why do muslims need to be protected?

[ Last edited by  Debmey at 24-2-2007 08:54 AM ]

geng_tx

Originally posted by Debmey at 24-2-2007 08:52 AM
The question is still not answered.

If islamic culture is advance, why atre muslims so immoral and poor today?

Chinese culture is more advance than islamicf culture any time throughout hist ...

dont just shout out your unproven words... shows some example..

non muslims are much more worst than muslim... what i know... non muslim only created AIDS and DRUG.... poor you...

i212

by Debmey
The question is still not answered.

If islamic culture is advance, why atre muslims so immoral and poor today?

Thats because of following reason:
1) Fanatism for wasted thing
2) Leave most of the minor good thing(sunnah) and follow western style.
3) Influence by lifestyle that not give anything to them.
4) Not acknowledge/Research Good guidence from Quran
etc...etc....

by Debmey
Chinese culture is more advance than islamicf culture any time throughout history.  Besides, most of the so call islamic discocveries were nothing but copied technology from non muslims. So what is there for muslims to boast about?

No doubt, China (especially chinese) have some good knowledge until even Prophet Muhammad also said "Learn even until China".

by Debmey
Look at msia today. Why are non muslims excelling over muslims by so much? Why do muslims need to be protected?

They excelling Muslim in Malaysia because they work hard.

Muslim in Malaysia or I rather say MALAYS have some "M" desease.
Im also malay and i know SOME malay mentality.
Some of the malays to dependent with the goverment. They cant think or strieve to create better life.

And SOME of Successfull malays, when they success, they Forgot of where they belong, they start to live like people with no religion. And SOME of them FAILED again after that.


Thats why...


When people got their wealthy, they not ask WHY to God.
When people got their poverty, they will ask WHY to God.

Debmey

Originally posted by geng_tx at 24-2-2007 10:54 AM



dont just shout out your unproven words... shows some example..

non muslims are much more worst than muslim... what i know... non muslim only created AIDS and DRUG.... poor you...

Muslims commit terror, murder, rape, enslave and wife beat more than anyone else.
Muslims also indulge in racism and oppression aginst others like what is happening in msia.

Ever wonder who contribute greatly on astronomy, medicine, architecture and military knowledge in China ?

Ever wonder who were the early wushu masters ?

You can find the amazing answers at this site.

http://muslimwikipedia.com/mw/index.php/Islam_in_China

Debmey

Chinese contributed more in all those respects.