ATGM Options For Malaysia Army (April'07 Tempur edition)

gancity

This month Tempur (April'07 Tempur edition) had listed out all ATGM contender for compete and try to win Malaysia Army 18 vehicle-mounted long range ATGM... so i open a poll c which ATGM u thk is most suit for Malaysia Army & possible gv some reason....

hope u enjoy tis poll & thread & if those info i had posted incorrect, pls update me

Toofan 2             (Iran's Aerospace Industries Organisation, Iran)
Toophan is an Iranian anti-tank missile that is a copy of the US military TOW missile. The Toophan's payload is a 3.6kg high-explosive anti-tank warhead that can penetrate up to 550mm of steel armor. The range is 3,850m, the top speed 310m/s. The manufacturer is the Aerospace Industries Organization of Iran.

Hezbollah has reportedly used Toophan missiles against Israeli Merkava tanks in the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict.
source from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toophan

Toophan 2 is a upgraded version of Iran's Toophan missile, which itself is a copy of the American BGM-71 TOW armor piercing, anti-tank missile.
source from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toophan_2


photo from: http://www.geocities.com/peru_defensa_nacional_extra/pages/industria_de_defensa_iran.htm


photo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toophan_2

BGM-71F Tow-2B  (Raytheon Integrated Systems, USA)
BGM-71F TOW 2B The TOW 2B is the newest version of the TOW missile which will provide additional capability against future armored threats, starting production as an engineering change proposal to the FY 1990 production contract. The TOW 2B Missile incorporates new fly-over, shoot-down technology. The TOW 2B entered production in late 1991. The TOW 2B was designed to attack targets from the top. The missile's trajectory places the missile slightly above the target when its two warheads explode downward.

Primary function: Guided missile weapon system.
Manufacturer: Hughes (missiles); Hughes and Kollsman (night sights); Electro Design Mfg. (launchers)
Size:
TOW 2A Missile:
Diameter: 5.87 inches (14.91 cm)
Length: 50.40 inches (128.02 cm)
TOW 2B Missile:
Diameter: 5.8 inches (14.9 centimeters)
Length: 48.0 inches (121.9 centimeters)
Warhead weight 12.4 kg Maximum effective range: 2.33 miles (3.75 kilometers)
Armor penetration: T-80 + / 800+ mm [>700 mm]
Time of flight to maximum effective range:
2A: 20 seconds
2B: 21 seconds
Weight:
Launcher w/TOW 2 Mods: 204.6 pounds (92.89 kilograms)
Missile Guidance Set: 52.8 pounds (23.97 kilograms)
TOW 2 Missile: 47.4 pounds (21.52 kilograms)
TOW 2A Missile: 49.9 pounds (22.65 kilograms)
TOW 2B Missile: 49.8 pounds (22.60 kilograms)
Introduction date: 1970
Unit Replacement Cost: $180,000
Launching Platforms Man portable crew of 4 HMMWV M2/M3 Bradley Fighting Vehicle
source from: http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/tow.htm


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BGM-71_TOW


source from: http://www.army-technology.com/projects/tow/tow5.html

[ Last edited by  gancity at 8-4-2007 12:27 PM ]

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Ingwe Leopard     (Denel Aerospace Systems, S.Africa)

The Ingwe is a modern South African multi-role laser guided anti-tank guided missile (ATGM) manufactured by Denel Aerospace Systems (formerly Kentron).

The missile was designed to be employed in various roles, either by infantry or as a vehicle or helicopter mounted system for targets at ranges from 250 m to 5,000 m. It employs a tandem warhead to defeat up to 1,000 mm of armour.

Specifications
Length: 1750 mm
Diameter: 127 mm
Weight: 28.5 kg
Range: 500 m to 5,000 m
Pentration: up to 1,000 mm of rolled homogenous armour (rha).


source from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingwe_(missile)

Red Arrow 8L       (NORINCO, China)
The HJ-8 is a command to line of sight, semi-active homing, wire-guided missile launched from a tube launcher. The missile has a short, round body with a half-ball nose and foldable stabilising fins at missile抯 tail. The launcher tube, day/night sight and control mechanism are supported by a tripod. Although categorised as a portable weapon missile, the man-packed variant HJ-8 has to be operated by two men and is actually too heavy to be carried by soldiers over a long distance.
SPECIFICATIONS
Propulsion: Solid
Range (Min): 100m
Range (Max): 3,000m (HJ-8/A/C) or 4,000m (HJ-8E/L)
Hit Probability: 90%
Depth of Penetration (static): 800~1,000mm
Depth of Penetration (dynamic, at 68 degree): 180mm (HJ-8/A); 180mm + ERA (HJ-8C/E); 220mm + ERA (HJ-8L)
Rate of Fire: 2~3rds per minute
Mean Flying Speed: 220m/s
Encased Missile Dimensions (length X diameter): 1,566mm x 155mm
Encased Missile Weight: 25kg
Main Missile Dimensions (length X diameter X winspan): 875mm X 120mm X 320mm
Main Missile Weight: 11.2kg
IR Goniometer Dimensions (length X width X height): 480mm x 150mm x 280mm
Guidance Unit Dimensions (length X width X height): 665mm x 368mm x 350mm
Wide IR Field of View:

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FGM-148 Javelin    (Raytheon/Lockheed Martin's, USA)
Characteristics
Primary Function: Man-portable anti-tank guided missile.
Contractor: Lockheed Martin, Raytheon.
Power Plant: solid fuel rocket.
Length:
1.1 m (42.6 in) missile.
1.2 m (47.2 in) launch tube.
Diameter:
127 mm (5.0 in) missile.
142 mm (5.6 in) launch tube.
Weight:
11.8 kg (26.0 lb) missile.
6.4 kg (14.1 lb) CLU.
Warhead:
8.4 kg (18.5 lb) tandem shaped charge HEAT.
Armour penetration >600 mm RHA.
Range: <75 to >2500 m
Guidance system: Imaging infra-red guidance, fire and forget.
Command Launch Unit:
Passive target acquisition/fire control with integrated day/thermal sight.
Magnification 4x day and 4x or 9x thermal.




source and photo from:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FGM-148_Javelin

Milan-3                 (MBDA's, Germany/France)
Type anti-tank
Nationality joint Germany/France
Era Cold War, modern
Launch platform Individual, Vehicle
Target Vehicle, Fortification
History
Builder MBDA, Bharat Dynamics (under license)
Date of design 70s
Production period since 1972
Service duration since 1972
Operators 41 countries
Variants MILAN 1, MILAN 2, MILAN 2T, MILAN 3, MILAN ER
Number built 350,000 missiles, 10,000 launchers

Specifications
Type MILAN 3
Diameter 0.125 m
Wing span 0.26 m
Length 1,2 m
Weight 7.1 kg
Propulsion solid-fuel rocket
Steering Thrust Vector
Guidance SACLOS wire
Speed 200 m/s
Range 400 - 2000 m
Ceiling -

photo from: http://www.army-technology.com/projects/milan/milan4.html


photo from: http://www.acig.org
source from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MILAN

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Baktar Shikan        (Kahuta-based Institute of Industrial Control System, Pakistan)
SPECIFICATIONS :
Range: 3,000 m
Hit probability: 90 %
Penetration probability: 90 %
Depth of penetration:
   a. Standard warhead: 500 mm HRA (Homogenous Rolled Armour)
   b. Tandem warhead: 600 mm HRA
Rate of fire: 2 to 3 rounds per minute
Mean flying speed: 220 m/s
Size of encased missile(length x diameter): 1,566 x 155 mm
Weight of encased missile: 25 kg
Size of main missile(length x diameter x wingspan): 875 x 120 x 320 mm
Weight of main missile: 11.2 Kg
Size of IR Goniometer(length x width x height): 480 x 150 x 280 mm
Weight of IR Goniometer: 12.5 kg
Wide IR field of view:

alien7749

18? On tracked vehicle? Why not buy more ATGM and plug in on the G-wagon.

insignia

kornet....
pasal dah terbukti semasa perang Iraq...
mampu memusnahkan Abrams A-1..

my seposen....

:bgrin:

RainbowSix

We should get ATGW that would also allow us to produce under lincense.

gancity

Metis-M1 also no bad small and easy to carry by small troop..but seem it mounted on vehicle...so Kornet-E is my choice

gancity

:setuju: but who will allow us produce under lincense?

windof

maybe paki, chinese and ruskies if we know how to negotiate well.

alphawolf

It can both be man-portable (sort of) and vehicle-mounted.

areguard

ATGM yg boleh top attack mcm Javelin atau Spike wud be good choice.

jofizo

Kornet is my choice.......

paleface0711

Originally posted by alien7749 at 8-4-2007 02:22 PM
18? On tracked vehicle? Why not buy more ATGM and plug in on the G-wagon.

We already have the Metis-M fixed onto the G-wagon. These new medium/long range 18 ATGW which will be vehicle mounted is heavy weight and must have multiple rounds for reload. For comparison, our existing Adnan ACv-300 with single Baktar Shikan launcher and carries additional 6-8 reloads.

If the G-wagon is used, not sure if it can handle the weight of these new ATGW, and if it can handle the weight; how many additional reload it can carry. Hence these new ATGW will be used on tracked vehicles.

alien7749

I think few of the MBT can fire certain ATGM with their main gun, such as T-80 version. Why not improved our PT-91M to use such weapon?

tin

such ATGW is optimised for use in deserts with no or little obstruction. another thing is the tank have to be stationary until the missile impacted on the target hence the tank will be a sitting duck.

tin

As for me, I would choose vehicle mounted heavy anti tank missile to defeat present or future MBT threat.

jofizo

dlm tempur ada bagitau yg this contract worth is USD36m for 18 vehicle mounted long range atgm, means 1 unit for USD2m ataupun RM7 juta!!!........... banyak tu wooo.......... vehicle per yg nak pakai nih......??? yg sudah ada dlm inventori atm or new vehicle.......??? kalu ini macam kalu kena deal ngan adnan kashorgi la........ murah ckit.........

or another jp..........

alien7749

USD2m is cheap if we compared to the vehicle alone.

tempur

Bila agaknya kita nak buat sendiri ye benda ni.....