Wake up Muslims.....is not what you claimed..

Truth.8

muslims so good with playing around  with their  tounges. why? they will says the Bible is porno and corrupt, later they will konor2 saying this:

I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him." Deut.18:18.


Muslims says it was Muhammad.....

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Talking with some Muslims recently, it was pointed out that the Bible foretells Mohammed. The passage they used was "I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him." Deut.18:18.


I noticed instantly the term 'from their brethren" as being a Jew as was Moses. The lineage of the Messiah, in both Judaism and Christianity is quite well known to descend from the line of King David, which means if the Muslims I discussed this with are correct, then by all means Mohammed would have to be a Jew.

But during my discussion I found no reference at all to Mohammed within the Old or New Testaments with exception that there would be false messiahs and false prophets walking around from time to time and that by using scripture as a basis, we could easily see the deception should it come along.

So here we see Moses having freed the Israelites from the hands of the Egyptians using methods completely beyond the grasp of man. So it would make sense to me that anyone who was to be like Moses would exhibit at least the powers and abilities of Moses, and would also speak words not contrary to Moses' words.

But I cannot see this with Mohammed. In fact, he seemed to be a walking contradiction to Moses and the prophets in many ways. Take this passage from the Quran for example: Koran 9:5,29 — pp102,111; cf. 2:256 — p32 where Mohammed commanded  to use violence against anyone who rejected Islam, yet then said not to use religion as a means to violence. First forbidding the use of idols and images, he condoned it under being at the brink of starvation, and then once more condemned it. In fact, Mohammed changed his doctrines in the area of 50 times, and he also claimed to have been deceived by the devil in one passage, and changed his tune, something not seen in Jewish prophets. They may not have been well received, but they always stuck to their guns.

For in fact, if Mohammed arose after Moses, to further the message of Moses we would first have to see Mohammed being born of a Jewish mother and being able to trace his lineage back to King David. I never did find that connection anywhere I happened to look. Mohammed was describes as pale, almost china white in some tenets, and some even think he was Chinese or Aryan. He barely fits the description of any Semitic people when reading through the tales of his appearance.

However, I will give Mohammed and his followers the benefit of the doubt for a minute while I chew on some things here. Did Mohammed fulfill the prophecy of Moses? Then He must be a Jew.

Did Mohammed cry to God, as did Moses to spare the life of the Israelites and even offer to die on his own for them should God not forgive them? Then he must be a Jew.

Did Mohammed fulfill the promise of being the Messiah as the Bible says? Then Mohammed was a Jew.

Did Mohammed raise the dead, or bring a message of freedom to the Jews as the One Who would come after him do? Then Mohammed was a Jew.

Was Mohammed sold for thirty pieces of silver, die on a tree, and was he buried with the rich? Then Mohammed was a Jew.

Did Mohammed negate the old system of sacrifice to release the penalty of mankinds' sins from their shoulders? Or did he enforce a worse one, i.e. Sharia?

Did Mohammed recognize Jerusalem as the Holy City of God? Then Mohammed was a Jew. Did Mohammed recognize the location and implication of the Jewish temple on the temple Mount? Then Mohammed was a Jew. And I can go on and on, but why? We can easily see that by trying to weakly squeeze Mohammed into the lineage of Moses and David, all that comes out is pulp. As in fiction, like the movie.

But who would think that God would send the Messenger to basically contradict all that Moses said and did? And why would God call His people Holy, and promise David that his lineage would never end, and have Mohammed enter the picture and order their obliteration? I could more easily comprehend that he simply tried to create a religion, and all 6,666 verses in the Quran could have been just that, another religion. But to claim to be the Messenger that God promised, without fulfilling any of the prophecies that came with the job, I really have a hard time accepting the fact that Mohammed was a Jew. Other than some dietary laws that were borrowed from the Jews, it seems Mohammed had little in common with them.

Maybe if I saw Islam fully embracing Israel and it's people, and put an end to Sharia whereby men are made slaves, and waged a full scale Jihad against those who oppose the Quran by trying to steal Jewish lands via terror; I still could not accept Mohammed as a Jew.

But I would most definitely have a lot more respect for Mohammed and his followers.

source :http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/fisher/050810

Al-Patih

raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren,

I noticed instantly the term 'from their brethren"

you left out "among" .....any idea why ...???

Truth.8

Al-Patih posted on 5-3-2013 07:46 AM
you left out "among" .....any idea why ...???

that doen't meant it was muhammad.....

Al-Patih

Truth.8 posted on 5-3-2013 11:15 AM
that doen't meant it was muhammad.....

then by all means Mohammed would have to be a Jew.

I see ... different spelling Mohammed and Muhammad ....right

Truth.8

Al-Patih posted on 5-3-2013 12:02 PM
I see ... different spelling Mohammed and Muhammad ....right

...still  it refering to  your prophet....

most of the prophet are from Jews roots , observing sabbath, foods intake(clean and unclean) ...
muhammad could not  be brethern because he  broke such rules and come with so  many hadith..

we do not have hadith or different source to depen...all in one....Bible...complete

Al-Patih

Prophet Muhammad break the rule cause his not a Jew ....why should Prophet Muhammad follow others culture ... Bible is also similar to Hadith ...written by many authors ...while Quran do not have a single author.

Truth.8

Al-Patih posted on 5-3-2013 03:16 PM
Prophet Muhammad break the rule cause his not a Jew ....why should Prophet Muhammad follow others cu ...

those rules are not for Jews...but man...
if you read the Bible it says for man....for example : sabbath was made for man...
it did not says Jews...


thats why the above verses could not be muhammad

Dzulqarnain

Why shud muslims claimed from the Bible?

Al-Patih

Truth.8 posted on 5-3-2013 04:21 PM
those rules are not for Jews...but man...
if you read the Bible it says for man....for example :  ...

then why Jesus don't celebrate the Sabbath and command the christian to follow ...when the Spanish Inquiry occurred..??

Truth.8

Al-Patih posted on 6-3-2013 06:54 AM
then why Jesus don't celebrate the Sabbath and command the christian to follow ...when the Spanish ...

Is not about celeberate ...it GOD commandment as per the 10 commandment to Moses...
Jesus observed Sabbath....In NT it stated by Jesus ,   Sabbath was made for man....

no such things friday or sunday.....

Al-Patih

Truth.8 posted on 6-3-2013 09:49 AM
Is not about celeberate ...it GOD commandment as per the 10 commandment to Moses...
Jesus observe ...

In the OT , that was left out I gather ...then who created Friday or Sunday for that matter

Truth.8

Al-Patih posted on 6-3-2013 03:33 PM
In the OT , that was left out I gather ...then who created Friday or Sunday for that matter

nothing is left out....I keep sabbath ...i closed my business on sabbth...as part of respect with GOD words.

Friday and Sunday all man made....u cannot find sunday in Bible...

u can ask christians who observed sunday, they will come with stunning words , rather than keeping the God words....hmmm let be ...I have done my job...already put  this topic  numberous times......is up to them to aruged...

Al-Patih

Truth.8 posted on 6-3-2013 04:26 PM
nothing is left out....I keep sabbath ...i closed my business on sabbth...as part of respect with  ...

well then ...you have honour that without hesitation ..... belief's in your faith ....the path you choose ....that I respect ....

Truth.8

Al-Patih posted on 7-3-2013 07:21 AM
well then ...you have honour that without hesitation ..... belief's in your faith ....the path you ...

thanks....

mashimaru83

Truth.8:
In fact, Mohammed changed his doctrines in the area of 50 times, and he also claimed to have been deceived by the devil in one passage, and changed his tune, something not seen in Jewish prophets.

Mind to explain what are those 50 times?

cmf_BeachBoys

telah berlalu sejak kewafatan Nabi Isa A.S lebih kurang 2000 tahun yang lalu,adakah orang yahudi dan kristian masih menunggu Nabi akhir zaman atau mereka sebenarnya sedang menunggu kedatangan dajjal yang mereka agung-agungkan itu?

Sephiroth

cmf_BeachBoys posted on 11-3-2013 11:45 PM
telah berlalu sejak kewafatan Nabi Isa A.S lebih kurang 2000 tahun yang lalu,adakah orang yahudi dan ...

Orang Islam pula sedang menunggu Iman Mahadi, jadi itu pun dajjal juga kah?

cmf_BeachBoys

Sephiroth posted on 13-3-2013 08:42 AM
Orang Islam pula sedang menunggu Iman Mahadi, jadi itu pun dajjal juga kah?

Islam tidak pernah rugi sepanjang kewujudannya di atas muka bumi Tuhan yang indah ini walaupun diserang dari segenap penjuru oleh mereka yang memusuhi Islam seperti firman Allah SWT di dalam Al-Quran:

Orang-orang Yahudi dan Nasrani tidak sekali-kali akan bersetuju atau suka kepadamu (wahai Muhammad) sehingga engkau menurut ugama mereka (yang telah terpesong itu). Katakanlah (kepada mereka): "Sesungguhnya pertunjuk Allah (Ugama Islam) itulah pertunjuk yang benar". Dan demi sesungguhnya jika engkau menurut kehendak hawa nafsu mereka sesudah datangnya (wahi yang memberi) pengetahuan kepadamu (tentang kebenaran), maka tiadalah engkau akan peroleh dari Allah (sesuatu pun) yang dapat mengawal dan memberi pertolongan kepadamu.

Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion. Say: "The Guidance of Allah,-that is the (only) Guidance." Wert thou to follow their desires after the knowledge which hath reached thee, then wouldst thou find neither Protector nor helper against Allah.


We will find out when the time is coming

Sephiroth

cmf_BeachBoys posted on 13-3-2013 08:58 PM
Islam tidak pernah rugi sepanjang kewujudannya di atas muka bumi Tuhan yang indah ini walaupun dis ...

Jangan mengarut macam orang gila. Adakah orang Islam pun menunggu Dajjal dgn menunggu kedatangan Iman Mahadi kamu itu? Jawab.

hantukiller

Sephiroth posted on 14-3-2013 08:12 AM
Jangan mengarut macam orang gila. Adakah orang Islam pun menunggu Dajjal dgn menunggu kedatangan I ...

hidup lagi ko... hehe


Kenapa persoalan yg banyak aku tanya, satu pun ko tak mampu jawab?