Tuntutan Sabah oleh Sultan Sulu.? Yong: Sabah tidak pernah jadi sebahagian dari Sulu.

lurkingaround

namieamuro replied at 5-3-2022 05:33 PM
teringat i mase awal2 tomitomato nk dilantik mse zaman ph menang. sane sini share pengalaman keje dgn die. skrg, nmpk mcm pengkhianat.

so skrg malaysia mmg ptt atau tidak bayar 60billion tu?

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Mengikut informasi di bawah, macam  Malaysia tak patut bayar kerana timbang tara itu tak mengikut undang2 dan perjanjian2 sedia-ada, Malaysia tak diberi notis, Malaysia tiada beri persetujuan untuk timbang tara itu diadakan, Malaysia hanya ikhtiraf timbang rata mengenai undang2 commercial/perdagangan(iaitu bukan undang2 perdaulatan negara), dll. .......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Co ... ign_Arbitral_Awards - Convention on the Recognition and Enforcement of Foreign Arbitral Awards
Summary of provisions

Under the convention, an arbitration award issued in any other state can generally be freely enforced in any other contracting state, only subject to certain, limited defenses. These defenses are:

• a party to the arbitration agreement was, under the law applicable to him, under some incapacity, or the arbitration agreement was not valid under its governing law;
• a party was not given proper notice of the appointment of the arbitrator or of the arbitration proceedings, or was otherwise unable to present its case;
• the award deals with an issue not contemplated by or not falling within the terms of the submission to arbitration, or contains matters beyond the scope of the arbitration (subject to the proviso that an award which contains decisions on such matters may be enforced to the extent that it contains decisions on matters submitted to arbitration which can be separated from those matters not so submitted);
• the composition of the arbitral tribunal was not in accordance with the agreement of the parties or, failing such agreement, with the law of the place where the hearing took place (the "lex loci arbitri");
• the award has not yet become binding upon the parties, or has been set aside or suspended by a competent authority, either in the country where the arbitration took place, or pursuant to the law of the arbitration agreement;
• the subject matter of the award was not capable of resolution by arbitration; or
• enforcement would be contrary to "public policy".
  

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Additionally, there are three types of reservations that countries may apply:

• Conventional Reservation – some countries only enforce arbitration awards issued in a Convention member state
• Commercial Reservation – some countries only enforce arbitration awards that are related to commercial transactions
• Reciprocity reservation – some countries may choose not to limit the convention to only awards from other contracting states, but may however limit application to awards from non-contracting states such that they will only apply it to the extent to which such a non-contracting state grants reciprocal treatment.
  

States may make any or all of the above reservations. Because there are two similar issues conflated under the term "reciprocity", it is important to determine which such reservation (or both) an enforcing state has made. ...
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https://www.newyorkconvention.org/countries
Malaysia                                                                                                                                                                        Declaration: The Government of Malaysia will apply the Convention on the basis of reciprocity, to the recognition and enforcement of awards made only in the territory of another Contracting State.  Malaysia further declares that it will apply the Convention only to differences arising out of legal relationships, whether con-tractual or not, which are considered as commercial under Malaysian law.

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TeropongThaico

lurkingaround replied at 5-3-2022 05:43 PM
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Biasa lah, puak DAP dan Tommy Thomas itu anti kaum Melayu/bumiputera di Malaysia, spt anti-Artik ...

Itu la.. Sampai bila ler deols ni nak sedar penyatuan semua bangsa bawah satu bendera ni lg baik. Masing2 dah beranak pinak di sini masih bercita2 nak dominasi kuasa yg deols sendiri tak mampu gapai dkt negara sendiri.

dua_chzy

lurkingaround replied at 5-3-2022 08:15 AM
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Setahu saya, sebelum kedatangan Penjajah2 dan angkatan laut British dan Sepanyol pada kurun 19,  ...

Setahu saya pula, lanun2 ni tak minat masuk kawasan pedalaman/hutan masa itu kerans kawasan ini dikuasai ummah headhunters yang juga rumoured as kanibal masa tu. Jika benar mereka hada encountered ummah headhunters ini directly, mesti sudah ada cultural clash terutama dari segi agama. For sure meka akan sebarkan Islam punya. Ini, tak ada.

I am not sure hada official written historical account tentang perang di kalangan ummah Bajau/Suluk Tausug ini dengan kaum akak, tapi words of mouth dari cerita orang2 tua memang hada.

lurkingaround

dua_chzy replied at 5-3-2022 04:16 PM
Ini ada support dari Tun Mustapha/USNO.

Tapi ntah la. Past is past. Walaupun aiol masih bitter. T ...

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...  Bapa Kemerdekaan Sabah iaitu Tun Datu Mustapha Datu Harun adalah berketurunan Suluk Kudat. ....

Suku kaum Suluk ialah suku kaum yang terdapat di sebelah pantai timur Sabah dari utara Kudat hingga ke tenggara Tawau. Suku kaum Suluk ini adalah penduduk asal di Sabah. Masyarakat Suluk ini adalah tergolong dalam rumpun Melayu sama seperti suku kaum Melayu Brunei, Melayu Arab, Melayu Banjar dan Melayu Jawa. Sebaliknya, masyarakat Melayu Suluk di Sabah ini tidak berbeza dengan bangsa Tausug di Kepulauan Sulu yang terpisah ratusan tahun dari perhubungan dan amalan cara hidup. ...
https://ms.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suluk_Tawau

Tak hairan Tun Mustapha Harun support Projek IC oleh PM4 Mahathir kerana ramai yang diberi IC/MyKad percuma di Sabah adalah pendatang2 awam tanpa izin (PATI) kaum Islam-Suluk/Tausug dari Kepulauan Sulu.
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rikiruj

Sayang betul Puak Moro & Sulu ni perangai sebegitu rupa.. tempat depa tu cantik kalau dibangunkan boleh jadi pusat pelancongan, boleh bangunkan ekonomi setempat.  Tapi tu lah.. nak kerja senang buat duit cara culik orang, melanun..

lurkingaround

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Pendapat terkini dari pakar politik Malaysia, Bunn Nagara. .......

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/ ... ed-assault-on-sabah - 2022/03/06 - renewed-assault-on-sabah
https://webcache.googleuserconte ... p;ct=clnk&gl=my - cache

Anugerah RM62 bilion oleh Pentimbang Rata Sepanyol, Gonzalo Stampa, yang berpihak kepada Filipina dan Sultan Sulu berkemungkinan besar adalah kerana Filipina pernah dijajah Sepanyol = pemimpin2 (Mestizo) kerajaan Filipina ada saudara mara di Sepanyol untuk melobi kes ini.
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lurkingaround

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Maklumat perundangan terkini. .......

https://www.malaymail.com/news/w ... legal-proce/2045830 - what-you-think/2022/03/07 - heirs-of-the-sultan-of-sulu-were-forum-shopping-and-abusing-the-legal-processes - Hafiz Hassan
... They were forum shopping. This was not lost on Justice Mairin who duly noted as follows:

“The 1st to 8th Defendants have clearly engaged in forum shopping when they unilaterally decided Spain to be the forum for the appointment of the sole arbitrator, seat of arbitration, and supervisory Court in this case. No regard whatsoever has been made to the well-established rules on conflict of laws and forum selection in making such decision.”

The term is said to have been introduced into English law by Lord Pearson in the classical case of Boys v Chaplin [1971] AC 356. His Lordship defined it as “a plaintiff by-passing his natural forum and bringing his action in some alien forum which would give him relief or benefits which would not be available to him in his natural forum.”

Black’s Law Dictionary defines forum shopping as a litigant’s attempt “to have his action tried in a particular court or jurisdiction where he feels he will receive the most favorable judgment or verdict.”

The High Court of Sabah and Sarawak is the natural and proper forum to determine the dispute. ....
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tomatome

Sittah annur tersenyum sinis

lurkingaround

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Perkembangan berita terkini, .......

https://www.thevibes.com/article ... -claims-wan-junaidi - We will not stay quiet on Sulu sultanate heirs’ claims: Wan Junaidi
Nation to challenge any future ‘illegal’ court decisions made, says law minister - Published on 10 Mar 2022 11:44AM

= keputusan anugerah RM63 bilion oleh Mahkamah Timbang Rata Paris itu ditangguh kerana rayuan kerajaan Malaysia baru2 ini.
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rikiruj

Buat tak tau je.. apa sulu & phillipine boleh buat pun? UN pun recognize cobbold commission report. Bior depa melalak.

lurkingaround

rikiruj replied at 10-3-2022 03:58 PM
Buat tak tau je.. apa sulu & phillipine boleh buat pun? UN pun recognize cobbold commission report.  ...

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Tak boleh buat tak tau kerana kerajaan Malaysia telah ratifikasi "New York Convention on the Recognition and Enforcement of Foreign Arbitral Awards", di bawah kelolaan PBB.


"Default judgment" oleh Mahkamah Timbang Rata Paris itu boleh mengakibatkan aset2 Malaysia di USA, UK, EU, Asean, dll disita untuk membayar anugerah RM62 bilion kepada waris2 Sultan Sulu. .......

https://www.freemalaysiatoday.co ... ts-overseas-seized/ - opinion/2022/03/01 - US$15bil-sulu-arbitration-award-could-see-malaysian-assets-overseas-seized
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lurkingaround

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Suatu pandangan terkini, .......

https://www.nst.com.my/news/nati ... ed-claim-over-sabah - 2022/03/16 - sulu-sultanate-had-forever-forfeited-claim-over-sabah
... Secondly, as has already been hinted at, claims of jurisdiction and/or a right to compensation by the Sulu Sultanate heirs lack legal credibility because sovereignty has already passed to Spain under the Madrid Protocol of 1885.

At the same time, Spain relinquished its claim over what was then known as North Borneo (Sabah). Article III of the Madrid Protocol of 1885 states that:

"The Spanish government renounces, as far as regards the British government, all claims of sovereignty over the territories of the continent of Borneo, which belong, or which have belonged in the past to the Sultan of Sulu (Jolo), and which comprise the neighbouring islands of Balambangan, Banguey, and Malawali, as well as all those comprised within a zone of three maritime leagues from the coast, and which form part of the territories administered by the Company styled the 'British North Borneo Company'."

It's to be noted that not at anytime has the Philippine government ever sought to challenge or question the relevant parts of the Madrid Protocol of 1885, including North Borneo. This is probably because it'd be a legal impossibility.  ....
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