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NIV : Perlu pemahaman mendalam ni

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 Author| Post time 10-4-2008 10:11 AM | Show all posts
hehehr terpost dua kali pula...
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 Author| Post time 23-4-2008 11:07 AM | Show all posts

Reply #19 casejulia's post

terima kasih casejulia link saudari banyak membantu walaubagaimanapun saya akan berkongsi apa yang saya perolehi dari link-link tersebut.

boleh dianggap mark memiliki banyak pembelaan tetapi saya masih ada beberapa persoalan yang ringkas dan mudah untuk dijawap nanti dan sebelum itu....boleh berikan penerangan untuk John pula?...memandangkan John juga turut mengalami keadaan yang sama tetapi link yang diberikan tidak menyertakan penjelasan untuk John cuma tentang Mark sahaja. harap sudi membantu
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 Author| Post time 5-5-2008 09:24 AM | Show all posts
baiklah...saya ulang sekali lagi...

boleh berikan penerangan untuk John pula?...memandangkan John juga turut mengalami keadaan yang sama tetapi link yang diberikan tidak menyertakan penjelasan untuk John cuma tentang Mark sahaja. harap sudi membantu
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Post time 6-5-2008 08:52 AM | Show all posts

Reply #23 GasTrick's post

sorry gastric, kerana lambat reply.

sekarang sangat busy. nanti ada terluang, saya akan cuba berikan penjelasan. bersabar...
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 Author| Post time 6-5-2008 10:05 AM | Show all posts

Reply #24 casejulia's post

okey..no problem...

sementara itu boleh saya habiskan analisis untuk mark.
saya nanti akan kongsi basic analisis sahaja. analisis selanjutnya sya terpaksa simpan untuk diri saya semata-mata.bukan kedekut cuma tidak sesuai
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Post time 6-5-2008 11:33 AM | Show all posts

Reply #25 GasTrick's post

Saya pon nak minta maaf, coz x dpt bincang betul2..bz sangat la skrg

permintaan sr. tentang isu shadow pon sy blum tunaikan lagi...
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Post time 7-5-2008 03:05 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by GasTrick at 5-5-2008 09:24
baiklah...saya ulang sekali lagi...

boleh berikan penerangan untuk John pula?...memandangkan John juga turut mengalami keadaan yang sama tetapi link yang diberikan tidak menyertakan penjelasan ...

Masalah John 7:53-8:11 lebih dikenali sebagai Pericope de Adultera. sila rujuk link di bawah:


http://www.bible-researcher.com/adult.html
http://www.bible-researcher.com/adult-hills.html
http://www.bible-researcher.com/quovadis.html
http://www-user.uni-bremen.de/~wie/TCG/TC-John-PA.pdf
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Post time 9-5-2008 12:23 PM | Show all posts
Interesting....

how about the one at 1 John 5. about the three witness......

[ Last edited by  Shwein1990 at 9-5-2008 12:25 PM ]
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Post time 9-5-2008 04:15 PM | Show all posts

Balas #8 shalom\ catat

Hanya kerana teks tersebut tidak terdapat dalam teks standart NT Greek yang diterima pakai, tidak bermaksud ia korup dan direka cipta. Pengkaji teks yang membuat kajian tentang masalah ini mengambil maklum nahawa, walaupun teks tersebut tidak terdapat dalam teks standart NT Greek, tetapi ia terdapat dalam teks lain....


Mark 16: 9-20 NIV

((The most reliable early manuscripts and other ancient witnesses do not have Mark 16:9-20.))

Cuba kita lihat note tersebut... THE MOST RELIABLE... and ANCIENT WITNESSES... DO NOT HAVE MARK 16: 9-20

Pengkaji teks yang membuat kajian tentang masalah ini mengambil maklum nahawa, walaupun teks tersebut tidak terdapat dalam teks standart NT Greek, tetapi ia terdapat dalam teks lain...


Siapa pengkaji tersebut?? Bilakah kajian dibuat?? Selepas 300 AD??
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 Author| Post time 10-5-2008 10:58 AM | Show all posts

Reply #27 casejulia's post

terima kasih

sekarang saya pergi ...
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 Author| Post time 10-5-2008 11:01 AM | Show all posts

Reply #26 shalom's post

tak apa.....
jangan la risau.... saya bukan nak memaksa
buat la secara rilek dan senang hati
pas tu pass la kat saya
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Post time 14-5-2008 01:02 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Shwein1990 at 9-5-2008 12:23
Interesting....

how about the one at 1 John 5. about the three witness......

This is the most important passage. This extra word(bold letter) is called the Comma Johanneum

5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."

In Erasmus NT greek translation he, did not inserted this "extra word" in his 1st, and 2nd edition but he promised to insert it if anyone could provide a single greek manuscript that cotained it. finally 1 was found in England, and he then inserted the extra word in his 3rd  greek NT edition. and in his 4th edition it was removed again. this became a controversiol topic.

i dont have much time to explain. maybe you can read more info from the link below

http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/1john57.htm
http://www.a4t.org/Sermons/Misc/wresch-comma_johanneum.html


[ Last edited by  casejulia at 14-5-2008 04:53 PM ]
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Post time 14-5-2008 10:34 AM | Show all posts
oh.... thanks a lot!!!
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Post time 14-5-2008 11:29 PM | Show all posts

Reply #33 Shwein1990's post

You are really one kind of a deep thinker
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