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Post time 27-9-2006 09:36 AM | Show all posts
tq mmc bukan semua wa tau la bro...

Kapal angkasa Russia jadi tarikan TMM

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Post time 27-9-2006 09:46 AM | Show all posts

Reply #25 insignia's post

takpe2..MD/jeneral mana pikir bab taktikal ni ...janji boleh dapat tiket murah ke kalau beli kat kau

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Post time 27-9-2006 09:46 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by mmc at 27-9-2006 09:26 AM
aii orang tourism pun tak tau ke

angkasawan kita terbang 2008 ler HPC..anyway this will be the second time ada pamiran sebegini....dulu kat bukit raja kelang tahun  ...

tak sabar nak tengok lebih dekat lagi...

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Post time 27-9-2006 09:50 AM | Show all posts

Reply #27 HangPC2's post

huh pi simpan RM35 awal2...nanti bajet lari..kalau bawak pasangan..lebih lagi...

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Post time 27-9-2006 09:53 AM | Show all posts
tengok dari artikel tuh boleh tengok lebih dekat lagi kalau boleh aku nak tengok bahagian kokpit tuh macam kokpit MIG-29 + 2 jer...

[ Last edited by  HangPC2 at 27-9-2006 09:58 AM ]

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Post time 27-9-2006 11:50 AM | Show all posts

Reply #25 insignia's post

Info kpd Menteri Pelancongan : Buran memang dibawa kemana-mana dengan pesawat Antonov An-225, sebelum ni naik M4 Bison....

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Post time 27-9-2006 12:08 PM | Show all posts
korang rasa china ada sebijik macam buran tak..???

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Post time 27-9-2006 12:10 PM | Show all posts

Reply #31 HangPC2's post

diorang pakai roket long march lagi...belum ada shuttle pun belum tentu selamat weh banding dengan roket..


[ Last edited by  mmc at 27-9-2006 12:12 PM ]

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 Author| Post time 27-9-2006 12:10 PM | Show all posts

Reply #31 HangPC2's post

i thk China and Russia currently wont use someting like Buran or space shuttle too expensive for maintain compare the spacecraft current they use to go space....

[ Last edited by  gancity at 27-9-2006 12:24 PM ]

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Post time 12-10-2006 11:55 AM | Show all posts

T-80U and T-90 Protection Trials

T-80U and T-90 Protection Trials

On October 20, 1999 extensive trials of T-80U and T-90 protection from various types of threats were conducted at TsNIIO 643a Testing Grounds. The tests involved firing large amounts of ordnance (including several versions of RPG ATGL, light and heavy ATGMs, and APFSDS rounds) at frontal projections of T-80U and T-90 MBTs both protected with Kontakt-V ERA and stripped of it.

T-80U and T-90 MBTs were represented by 3 vehicles each, one with Kontakt-V ERA, one with removed explosive packages and one reserve vehicle. For the ERA part of trials, knocked-out ERA packages were replaced after each shot.

One more T-80U MBT was used for special trials that focused on testing of Shtora-1 EOCMDAS.

The following weapons were used:

Infantry ATGLs (fired at a distance of 40m)
RPG-7 (using advanced 105mm grenade PG-7VR with a tandem warhead, pen. 650mm RHA)
RPG-26 (disposable launcher, pen. >500mm RHA)
RPG-29 (advanced 105mm launcher, pen. 750mm RHA)
ATGMs (fired at a distance of 600m)
Malyutka-2 (pen. >600mm RHA)
Metis (pen. 460mm RHA)
Konkurs (pen. 650mm RHA)
Kornet (pen. >850mm RHA)
APFSDS (fired from T-80U MBT at a distance of 1,500m, the most likely round is 3BM42)

Each weapon was fired 5 times at each target, for a total of 20 shots per weapon. The total number of shots fired during the trials thus exceeded 150.

The trials yielded the following outcome:

T-90: RPG-29 produced a total of 3 penetrations.
          No other RPG rounds could penetrate even the stripped target.
T-80U: RPG-29 penetrated 3 times with ERA, all 5 times without ERA.
            Of all other grenades, one PG-7VR penetrated the stripped target.

T-90: No ATGMs could penetrate the ERA-equipped target. One Kornet ATGM penetrated the stripped target.
T-80U: 2 Kornet ATGMs penetrated the ERA-equipped target, all 5 penetrated the stripped target.
            No other ATGMs could penetrate.

T-90: ERA-equipped target could not be penetrated. Furthermore, after firing the crew entered the vehicle, activated
          it and was able to execute the firing sequence.
          Without ERA, one round penetrated.
T-80U (data available only for stripped target): One round almost penetrated (3mm hole in the inner lining, no visible
          equipment damage); two penetrated to 1/2 thickness; one missed the target completely; one hit the gun.

The following pictures show the locations of impacts by ATGL RPG-29 (in red) and ATGM Kornet (in black) against ERA-equipped vehicles. Which of these hits penetrated was not disclosed.

Shtora-1 Trials
10 Kornet ATGMs with removed warheads were fired at a tank with a crew. 4 ATGMs hit the tank, the other 6 deviated to the left of the target in the middle of the flight.

Conclusions (VF)
RPG-29 proved to be by far the most potent weapon among those used. As powerful as heavy ATGM Kornet, it appeared to assure the frontal penetration of T-80U even for the squad-level firepower. Even though T-90 fared better, it is still not immune to it. Considering sufficient proliferation of this weapon and the fact that this is still a fairly light infantry weapon, it is the most dangerous adversary of modern Russian MBTs, and is a very disturbing development.

Original reports that ATGM Kornet performance is severely degraded by ERA due to its peculiar order of internal components proved true as the ATGM with at least 100mm higher penetrating potential was not superior to a much lighter RPG-29.

Report of Shtora-1 EOCMDAS trials is confusing. Being laser-guided, ATGM Kornet should not suffer any interference from Shtora as it only affects IR SACLOS ATGMs. Furthermore, ATGMs can only deviate to the left if the marker is set to the left of both emitters, which is hardly likely. It is possible, however unlikely, that it was caused by a sloppy work of removal the warhead which e.g. could cause a gyro cofusion.

Data provided by Lt.Col. Vladimir Karpov
ATW Testing Center NPO "Geodezia"

[ Last edited by  yipun78 at 13-10-2006 10:43 AM ]



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Post time 12-10-2006 03:19 PM | Show all posts
You think any of these tanks stand a chance against the Hellfire?

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Post time 12-10-2006 06:21 PM | Show all posts
Well the Hellfire completely in different league with land hand held or shoulder fired anti-armour missile, I think even the M1 Abrams Tank  can't stand Hellfire...

Just my 1 cent opinion...

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Post time 12-10-2006 07:47 PM | Show all posts
since the 105mm PRG 29 is good enough to peneprate T90 with ERA, I think they shld somehow merge its warhead with ATGMs.

You just can't expect a good hit with RPGs all the time.

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Post time 12-10-2006 08:41 PM | Show all posts
The test failed to mention whether the T-90 is local or for export version, but since the test done by the Russian in Russia, I think the tset subject is not an export version

The fact that a low cost light weight RPG 29 able to penetrate the latest russian tank with Era package is totally impressive !

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Post time 12-10-2006 10:19 PM | Show all posts
That makes the deployment of tanks much more restricted.
A tank needs to move fast all the time in operations theater or be dead. That will bring a whole new set of problems to the tank. I'll rather invest in a lot of cheap & mobile anti tank weapons than in tanks.

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Post time 13-10-2006 08:08 AM | Show all posts

Reply #6 Debmey's post

so debs what do you think our army is doing all this you realise that unknowingly you have validated our armed forces modus operandi

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Post time 13-10-2006 09:10 AM | Show all posts
More so for Singapore. We don't invest in battle tanks but tank killing helos, we also make our own anti tank RPG. Its call the Matador.

basically tanks like PT91 are very heavy and can get stuck in mud very easily in local terrain, they may even overturn if they travel too fast over undulating terrain.

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Post time 13-10-2006 09:13 AM | Show all posts

Reply #8 Debmey's post

not to argue over a dead horse again debs...(how many times already huh) but we'll see

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 Author| Post time 13-10-2006 09:21 AM | Show all posts

Reply #8 Debmey's post

different country different need...ur country jst like a small RED BEAN size... so no invest in MBT... tats it... PT-91M consider light compare others western MBT...

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Post time 13-10-2006 09:21 AM | Show all posts
Singapore dont invest in tanks?? are you claiming all the Challenger/Chieftain Class tanks you guys put in Taiwan are sold off as scrap already??  Singapore has no tanks??

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