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Battle of el-Mansourah

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Post time 9-5-2007 01:37 PM | Show all posts |Read mode
Battle of el-Mansourah
By Dr. David Nicolle and Sherif Sharmy


Egyptian Air Force strikes against Israeli targets in the occupied Sinai Peninsula on the first day of the October War in 1973 made a massive contribution to Arab success during the early part of the conflict. In Egypt itself, these attacks are seen as the key to what Arabs regard as a victorious sturggle.

That much is well known and is also recognized outside the Middle East. But there was plenty of air action throughout the rest of the October War during which the Egyptians and their Syrian allies are generally considered to have achieved much less. Details of these later operations were not made public until recently, yet one particular clash was sufficiently important for the Egyptian government to change the country抯 揂ir Force Day
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At around 3:52pm Egyptian radar picked up yet another wave of enemy aircraft, estimated at 60 Phantoms and Skyhawks, again flying in at very low level from the same direction as before. Their mission is believed to have been to hit any targets missed in the second wave, so eight MiG-21s were now scrambled from Inshas air base to intercept them. As this third wave of Israelis neared the Nile Delta village of Dekernis it ran into a swirling dogfight where the second Israeli wave had been fleeing eastward. Some 20 MiGs, having landed to refuel as the battle continued overhead, were themselves now climbing to intercept. The leader of the third wave of Israeli aircraft, apparently realizing that the previous attacks had already failed and that there were more Egyptian fighters in the air than had been anticipated, now retreated. The last Israeli aircraft re-crossed the coast at 4:08pm; the air battle of el-Mansourah was over.

At 10pm local time Cairo Radio broadcast 揅ommuniqu
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Post time 9-5-2007 02:05 PM | Show all posts
Petikan artikel yang bagus fx, cam biasa rasanya kejap lagi ada le orang yg cuba menafikan artikel ni.
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Post time 9-5-2007 02:09 PM | Show all posts
good info...keep on...
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Post time 9-5-2007 02:10 PM | Show all posts

Reply #3 mkleyna's post

kalu tulis dlm melayu,baru tak ada mamat tu...
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Post time 9-5-2007 02:11 PM | Show all posts

Reply #5 razhar's post

woit tapi musti mau ingat ramai jugak grup duboq yg leh faham bahasa melayu.
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Post time 9-5-2007 02:12 PM | Show all posts

Reply #3 mkleyna's post

kalu tulis dlm melayu,baru tak ada mamat tu...
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Post time 9-5-2007 02:14 PM | Show all posts
hehehe....
biasak la tu...ada org naik angin nanti...
cakap suma olang salah...
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Post time 9-5-2007 02:32 PM | Show all posts
sounds like Ah-Q spirit
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Post time 9-5-2007 02:35 PM | Show all posts
Syyyyyyyyyyy.....jap lagi mai la tu kaum2 tu....
hehe....tapi aku agak musykil titik tolak saat detik yg membuatkan mesir blh mengubah polisi mereka terhadap israel...maybe bro2 otai sini ade jwpnnya...
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Reply #10 edmundo's post

apa jap lagi pulak? ko tak nampak dia dah muncul atas ko tu
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Reply #11 powerwoot's post

hehehe....
ed tak sodar rupa2nya...
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Post time 9-5-2007 02:59 PM | Show all posts
The article seems distinctively biased.
On Yom Kippur 1973, the IDF was completely disorganised and nearly on the verge of collapsing and Israel was closest to its destruction then.
And yes, the IAF was somehow subdued for the first days of the war.
But what puzzles me is that the Yom Kippur War was a war of agression燼nd爎evenge
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Post time 9-5-2007 03:05 PM | Show all posts

Reply insignia & powerwoot's posts

Haduuuh.....cepat betul dia hidu bangkai...
Hehe....mmg aku tak perasan la....
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 Author| Post time 9-5-2007 03:09 PM | Show all posts
Sesape yg interested nak baca lebih lanjut ttg Perang Arab - Israel 1973 bleh baca kat sini

http://www.irandefence.net/showthread.php?t=6772

Byk info sebelah arab yg kita tak tau.... & aku rase takde lah tentera arab nie lekeh sangat cuma mereka nie byk sangat politik & kepentingan diri
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Post time 9-5-2007 03:13 PM | Show all posts

Reply #14 edmundo's post



biasa ler idung sensitip katakan...
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Post time 9-5-2007 03:15 PM | Show all posts
Dia datang...jengjengjeng...dengan dubuk-dubuknya....
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Reply #13 mentosonline's post

What do u mean by biased ? It is normal in every war, sometimes u lose sometimes you win in a battle.

The writer is a well known author for Osprey titles for many years & he has MA from the School of Oriental and African Studies and a PhD from Edinburgh University
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Post time 9-5-2007 03:23 PM | Show all posts
The will to win

At 2:00pm on 6 October 1973, more than 220 Egyptian warplanes flew over the Suez Canal and attacked Israeli command centres in the Sinai. "Operation Badr", soon to be known as the October War, had been launched, and a new stage in Egyptian and Arab history was opened.

Twenty-five years later, both the direct effects and the long-term ramifications of the October War, domestically, regionally and internationally, remain subject to debate. President Mubarak this week described as the product of "ignorance and prejudice" Israel's attempts to denigrate the Egyptian victory. These attempts are belied not only by the facts, but also by the statements Israel's own leaders and commentators made at the time, some of which are reproduced in this supplement.

Other aspects of the fallout from October are less clear. There is little doubt that the war opened the way to the Middle East peace process, which effectively began with disengagement agreements Egypt and Syria concluded with Israel soon after the guns had fallen silent. Sadat, hailed in Egypt as "the hero of war and peace", acted swiftly to try and reap the fruits of the victory and liberate occupied Arab territories. As far as Egypt was concerned, the results were spectacular. By 1982, Egypt had regained sovereignty over all of occupied Sinai, save for Taba, which was returned to the motherland in '89. Not a single Israeli settlement or installation remained on Egyptian territory.

In 1982, however, Sadat's optimistic declaration that the October '73 War would be the last Arab-Israeli war had to be qualified; making it the last "major" Arab-Israeli war. Israel invaded Lebanon and wreaked havoc on its capital, Beirut. And a quarter of a century after the October War, the prospects for a comprehensive and just peace in the region appear, if anything, more remote than they were in '73, despite the Madrid peace process, the accords the Palestinians and Jordan have concluded with Israel, and the progress that, not so long ago, seemed to have been achieved in Israeli-Syrian peace negotiations.

The October War was, without a doubt, the high point of Arab solidarity. A core axis formed by Egypt, Syria and Saudi Arabia was able to mobilise the Arab world as never before. But international and regional conditions have changed, possibly beyond recognition, since 1973, and it is an open question whether the three allies today could muster even a semblance of the Arab solidarity they were able to enlist during the war and in its immediate aftermath.

One fundamental aspect of the war, however, cannot be dissipated by a fast-changing world. The shattering defeat of June '67 failed to break the Egyptians. After five years of resolve, sound planning and hard work, they were able to do what even they, not to mention the whole world, had believed was impossible. It all came together in a moment of great heroism, national unity and self-sacrifice -- the "uncrossable" Suez Canal was crossed, the "invincible" Bar Lev line was destroyed, Sinai was returned.

This, ultimately, is the lesson of October '73 and it is this, above all, that Egyptians were celebrating this week.  

http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/1998/398/october.htm
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Post time 9-5-2007 03:39 PM | Show all posts

Reply #15 ef/x's post

yup cukup bagus perbincangan kat sana...
banyak info yg kita tak tau sebenarnya....
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