Kereta Mahal: Tak Kena Cukai Pun Masih Mahal Lah! - Editor TopGear Malaysia

axl_bach

am. posted on 7-10-2013 10:16 AM
bukan tak boleh tapi celup mana la sama dengan ori. celup kalu jatuh la standard malaysia ni..
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ko kena cakap lebih specifik iaitu UPPER MIDDLE CLASS....

am.

axl_bach posted on 7-10-2013 10:41 AM
ko kena cakap lebih specifik iaitu UPPER MIDDLE CLASS....

bukan aku cakap lah.. menteri yang cakap..

axl_bach

am. posted on 7-10-2013 10:44 AM
bukan aku cakap lah.. menteri yang cakap..

menteri cakap ke ko silap paham artikel or ko x baca pun artikel penuh main baca keratan yg org share di FB???

AdamBillionaire

farouk21 posted on 7-10-2013 10:35 AM
tapi hairan...
sapa yg jadi Editor Top Gear ni sepatut expert dalam issue Automotive Malaysia..
ta ...

ni top gear international.. kalau top gear lokal namanye utusan..

farouk21

axl_bach posted on 7-10-2013 10:47 AM
menteri cakap ke ko silap paham artikel or ko x baca pun artikel penuh main baca keratan yg org sh ...

yups..issue ni sebenarnya sbb org amek keratan tu sket je..
tapi bila baca..iols setuju dgn pendapat menteri tu
dia x cakap yg ni golongan pertengahan kat malaysia.
tapi dia cakap ni target golongan pertengahan if dasar di implement

xsmua apa yg utusan tu cakap merapu..kadang2 ada yg betul..
xsmua menteri tu salah..sometimes ade yg bagus

farouk21

AdamBillionaire posted on 7-10-2013 10:52 AM
ni top gear international.. kalau top gear lokal namanye utusan..

ooo..ingtkan versi malaysia punyer

am.

axl_bach posted on 7-10-2013 10:47 AM
menteri cakap ke ko silap paham artikel or ko x baca pun artikel penuh main baca keratan yg org sh ...

basically, dalam keratan tu tak mentioned upper middle class, atau lower middle class..  jadi aku ambil as it is "middle class".

either way, aku tak kata dia betul atau dia salah.. pasal dia menteri mana boleh salah..

farouk21

am. posted on 7-10-2013 10:57 AM
basically, dalam keratan tu tak mentioned upper middle class, atau lower middle class..  jadi  ...

bro..in this case...ape yg dihighlight oleh utusan tu mmg kurang cerdik
tapi bila baca overall, kita leh faham apa yg dia nak sampaikan

axl_bach

am. posted on 7-10-2013 10:57 AM
basically, dalam keratan tu tak mentioned upper middle class, atau lower middle class..  jadi  ...

ko baca x artikel penuh dia?????

am.

axl_bach posted on 7-10-2013 11:11 AM
ko baca x artikel penuh dia?????

baca..

http://www.utusan.com.my/utusan/Rencana/20131002/re_05/Tambah-golongan-pertengahan-Melayu#ixzz2gcKuCiPY

aku tak persoalkan langsung niat dia, aku cuma bawakan isu kategori "kelas pertengahan".

since hang bawakan isu "upper middle class", so aku bawa isu yang relevan i.e American uppen middle class.

In the United States the term middle class and its subdivisions are an extremely vague concept as neither economists nor sociologists have precisely defined the term.[4] There are several perceptions of the upper middle class and what the term means. In academic models the term applies to highly educated salaried professionals whose work is largely self-directed. Many have graduate degrees with educational attainment serving as the main distinguishing feature of this class. Household incomes commonly may exceed $100,000, with some smaller one-income earners earning incomes in the high 5-figure range.[1][5] Typical professions for this class include lawyers, accountants, physicians, dentists, engineers, professors, architects, pharmacists, school principals, civil service executives and civilian contractors.[3][6]
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"The upper middle class has grown...and its composition has changed. Increasingly salaried managers and professionals have replaced individual business owners and independent professionals. The key to the success of the upper middle class is the growing importance of educational certification... its lifestyles and opinions are becoming increasingly normative for the whole society. It is in fact a porous class, open to people... who earn the right credentials."- Dennis Gilbert, The American Class Structure, 1998.[5]
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In addition to having autonomy in their work, above-average incomes, and advanced educations, the upper middle class also tends to be influential, setting trends and largely shaping public opinion.[3][5] Overall, members of this class are also secure from economic down-turns and, unlike their counterparts in the statistical middle class, do not need to fear downsizing, corporate cost-cutting, or outsourcing—an economic benefit largely attributable to their graduate degrees and comfortable incomes, likely in the top income quintile or top third.[1]

kalu kita convert ambil lowest five-figure range $10,000 monthly.. convert kepada RM is approximate RM 30,000..

Assuming kita simpan semua duit ni, jadi dalam masa kita perlukan 66 bulan untuk save RM 2,000,000.

so, secara logikal, istilah yang sesuai digunakan adalah "upper middle class as per American standard" dan bukan "golongan pertengahan" as per artikel dalam utusan tu.

again aku kata, aku tak persoalkan niat dia, aku cuma katakan dari segi istilah "middle class"

am.

farouk21 posted on 7-10-2013 11:10 AM
bro..in this case...ape yg dihighlight oleh utusan tu mmg kurang cerdik
tapi bila baca overall, k ...

aku tak persoalkan niat dia / idea dia, aku cuma nak highlight terminologi yang dia gunakan. tu saja.

axl_bach

am. posted on 7-10-2013 11:23 AM
baca..

http://www.utusan.com.my/utusan/Rencana/20131002/re_05/Tambah-golongan-pertengahan-Mela ...

dia pun x merujuk data tepat utk menyatakan kategori middle class tp lebih kepada HASRAT NAK MEWUJUDKAN GOLONGAN MIDDLE CLASS....tp yg aku dok tgk oprg dok nampak cam IDA BERI DEFINISI MIDDLE CLASS,sbb tu sumer pakat komen kondem dia ikut petikan artikel tu....nak kumpul juta2 xkan amik masa 1.2 tahun bagi middle class ok laa dlm 8-10 tahun.....aku rasa utk aku dpt juta2 dlm simpanan ikut pace skang nih maybe amik masa 20 tahun kot,sbb aku masih lower middle class,hahahahahahah

am.

axl_bach posted on 7-10-2013 11:29 AM
dia pun x merujuk data tepat utk menyatakan kategori middle class tp lebih kepada HASRAT NAK MEWUJ ...

hahaha..

orang tak menentang pun niat dia.. cuma sebagai menteri kalu hang rujuk data salah dan pastu buat kenyataan kontroversi gerenti la rakyat mesia ni bash terus..

kalu hang lower middle class, kira tak lama lagi hang buleh la kumpul 2-3 juta dalam bank..20 tahun pun ok la tu.. ada orang nak dapat juta-juta mati hidup semula pun tak dapat..

Nak kumpul duit juta-juta pastu nak beli kereta mahal-mahal dalam mimpi buleh lah..

cak!

kita xyah pakai kete mahal2 dulu..bli umah bli tanah dulu la

axl_bach

am. posted on 7-10-2013 11:34 AM
hahaha..

orang tak menentang pun niat dia.. cuma sebagai menteri kalu hang rujuk data salah dan ...

masalahnya aku tgk ramai main hentam sembrono jer seolah2 dia WAT DEFINISI BARU MIDDLE CLASS sedangkan apa yg dia cakap x lari dari konteks asal pun......cuma org bodoh di FB suka dok share mendalah pelik2 camnih tanpa usul periksa then pakat2 like n share....

peYno

Walaupun keta kia, ford dan umw toyota dikatakan kena tax... Tapi kenapa kua n ford boleh offer dgn harga yg lebih kompetitif berbanding umw toyota... Soalan simple je..,

am.

axl_bach posted on 7-10-2013 11:41 AM
masalahnya aku tgk ramai main hentam sembrono jer seolah2 dia WAT DEFINISI BARU MIDDLE CLASS sedan ...

betul tu.. dan banyak jugak orang ambil jokes dan sarcasm secara serious..

axl_bach

am. posted on 7-10-2013 11:44 AM
betul tu.. dan banyak jugak orang ambil jokes dan sarcasm secara serious..

maybe ko sarcastic tp cer ko jenguk tgk thread yg berkaitan samada dorg cynical or dorg bodh xleh diajar main hentam tanpa baca artikel....

http://mforum.cari.com.my/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=758076

dasatgiler

memang kerajaan ada announce nak turunkan harga kereta tapi tiada sebarang perubahan pada duti eksais.. ini bermakna penurunan harga kereta datang drpd pengeluar/pengedar kereta itu sendirik.. disebabkan dah lama meletakkan harga tinggi utk kereta keluaran mereka, maka sekarang gomen suda pandai sikit so u org kena korban sikit u punya margin keuntungan maaaa.. biasa angkat 3 kali ganda untung, so sikalang mungkin tinggal 2 atau 1.5 kali ganda.. tapi masih untung maa.. bezanya dulu untung melampau2, sekarang untung berpada2..  

am.

axl_bach posted on 7-10-2013 11:47 AM
maybe ko sarcastic tp cer ko jenguk tgk thread yg berkaitan samada dorg cynical or dorg bodh xleh  ...

biasalah tu.. orang cynical dan bodoh ramai dalam dunia nih..