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I can't believe you even have the nerve to be such a cock since all contradictions presented and argued...you seemed to be leaving em just like that and that to me means, you don actually have an answer to all of em.
Examples....your christmas goodies about the sabbath holidays (resurrection), sandals thingy, jesus if he is a god how could he be deceived by the devil & if he's god surely he shouldn't be afraid when he's about to be crucified and....should i go on and on? |
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>>I can't believe you even have the nerve to be such a cock <<
i am a cock.
and those 'contradictions' doesn't sway me either... what's your belief?
it is just a arrangement of atoms or molecules in your brains. insignificant. if you go out and kill someone maybe that's different.
we don't have answers for a lot of things in life.. not just semantics problems in the bible.
The yard stick is does a belief make a group of believers better people. Humble, affable, compassionate and just. The answer , as i CAN SEE, is no. an emphatic NO.
Religion, prayers and beliefs don't make better people evidently. |
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Who is Jesus? He Was 100% Man
According to John 1:14, Jesus became flesh and made His dwelling among us. Why is His humanity so important?
In Hebrews 4:15, Jesus was tempted in every way, just as we are. As such, Jesus can sympathize with our weakness as humans. What can we learn from the way Jesus handled temptation?
According to 1 John 3:5, Jesus came to earth in human form so that He could die a physical death and take away our sins. How would we all be affected, if we had no potential for escape from our sins?
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Who is Jesus? He Was 100% God
Who is Jesus, and how was it possible that Christ抯 human body held the whole deity and glory of God?
According to John 1:1-3, Jesus existed from the beginning. From the beginning, Jesus was with God, and Jesus was God. Here, the Bible establishes the inseparable nature of Jesus and the God of the Universe.
The following verses provide further evidence that Jesus is 100% God:
Highlights of Christ's Time on Earth & the verses:
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Only if people like SFE, Josh and T8 would think the same like you.....well, surely you'll understand of my actions for doin all these. Only if they stop would i stop. |
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The thing about us non moslems is we have plenty of healthy debates - we can admit to our scriptural `errors` or `discrepancies`. we can trash people like SFE or the likes. we can trash people like Hinn, Copeland, Graham , Swaggert. And vice versa.
Moslems ,on the other hand, has a CLOSED shop mentality. Look at the case of the Melaka big(gest) wig several years ago. He allegedly molested an underage girl... but it took a non moslem to lodge a police report. Of course this chinese guy had his melon splitted by the police.
Or downtown chow kit rd or TAR Rd.. car hits Valentino Rossi-wannabe. Suddenly 20 V-Rossi's converge on the hapless driver and beats the crap out of him. no doubt all very religious people who could cite the book back to front.
Of course i can go on and on with such... but i think you get the drift.
>>well, surely you'll understand of my actions for doin all these. Only if they stop would i stop...<<<
your barking up the wrong tree - these people are not interested. |
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Originally posted by whitepig at 2004-1-8 08:35 AM:
>>You can't defend the contradictions presented in this forum board, that's why you are acting like SFE...running away from tight spots.<<
i have already posted verses after verses. what more do you want? a sermon?
postin verses with the intention to tell the truth is different from postin verses with the intention to be untruthful
Who cares whether sonny is a moslem or a jew or a catholic or a mormon?
ure dead right
As i have said - even if there are 1000 translational errors in the bible - i still find it more credible than books which espouses the view that 72 virgins awaits us in paradise. No dream but it is time to wake up.
ure dead right 50%
countless errors in translation of the bible is nuthin
but when man deliberately makes error designed to deceive n cozin the bible to look deceptive is a NO NO. one such deliberate error is translation of jesus bein god almighty himself
u said jesus is no god. yet u wanna post verses which could be misread as u givin HARDevidence that jesus is god. thats deceptive
If people want to believe in the trinity - who are we to object. if people believe praying to the kaaba will bring them closer to god - who are we to object?
ure dead right 50%
trinity involves callin man jesus as god n that tantamout to blasphemy n if u dont repent u can go to hell.
while prayin to kaaba dont involve callin man jesus as god n that dont tantamount to blasphemy n if u dont repent u dont go to hell.
thats the difference.
its ones prerogative to wanna go to hell. nonethless its better be coz u deliberately wanna to. thats why there christians out there who wanna tell the truth before its too late for fellachristians
I will continue to eat pork, ogle at nice girls and drink wine. You people are everything we are not. to each his own.
nobodys stoppin u. health hazard is ur own undoin. simple 
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Those alledged acts are actions of people not because of their religion. Why do you think there are PAS, Keadilan or UMNO? Why in Iraq the Sunni and Syiah are fighting against eachother....simply because they are people.
No one is perfect but Islam is perfect. And NOT all muslims will be assured of heaven instantly, those who did wrong will have to pay in Hell for their sins...then only would they be admitted to heaven.
This surely is a lame excuse for an attack against a religion. :re: |
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What about the treatments of the American Police force against the Blacks? I don blame them cause they are christians....i blame them because they are human beings. That has to do with moral not because of their religion. |
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Originally posted by whitepig at 2004-1-8 10:09 AM:
Who is Jesus? He Was 100% Man
According to John 1:14, Jesus became flesh and made His dwelling among us. Why is His humanity so important?
In Hebrews 4:15, Jesus was tempted in every way, just ...
Who is Jesus? He Was 100% God
Who is Jesus, and how was it possible that Christ’s human body held the whole deity and glory of God?
According to John 1:1-3, Jesus existed from the beginning. From the beginning, Jesus was with God, and Jesus was God. Here, the Bible establishes the inseparable nature of Jesus and the God of the Universe.
The following verses provide further evidence that Jesus is 100% God:
lets look at ur cut n paste in bold ie From the beginning, Jesus was with God, and Jesus was God. Here, the Bible establishes the inseparable nature of Jesus and the God of the Universe.. who said this?
is it written in the bible?
or is it man's translation of john 1:1-3?
its tantamount to puttin 2 n 2 together right? that since jesus existed from the beginnin then he must be god himself right? that god has to come down to earth as man to salvage mankind right?
but the HARDfact remains if god wanna be man to save mankind, why did he create sooooooooooooo many prophets in the first place to help him salvage mankind?
then later after creatin sooooooooooooooo many prophets, he himself has to switch to man's skin to save man right?
he has to be born thru his creation mary n be killed by his creation jews n romans so that he could save his creation mankind from his creation satan
god creates man for a reason n he banishes adam n eve for a reason etc. but wot me couldnt comprehend is the reason for god to become man to save man when at the end of the day man is free to choose to join him in heaven or to join satan in hell
n when u said - From the beginning, Jesus was with God, and Jesus was God. Here, the Bible establishes the inseparable nature of Jesus and the God of the Universe., u're sayin god n jesus is different entitity right? although they supposedly bein one n same god right? how u clarify that? :bg: |
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Originally posted by whitepig at 2004-1-8 10:22 AM:
The thing about us non moslems is we have plenty of healthy debates - we can admit to our scriptural `errors` or `discrepancies`. we can trash people like SFE or the likes. we can trash people like Hinn, Copeland, Graham , Swaggert. And vice versa.
the keyword ere is healthy trashin
can u c the difference between u n bro deb***sfe trashin others?
can u c the difference between bro deb***sfe n TRUTH8 trashin others?
can u c the difference between bro deb***sfe n FUZZ trashin others?
can u c the difference between bro deb***sfe n JUKEBOX trashin others?
can u c the difference btween bro deb***sfe n SONNY trashing others? etc. n the rest is history
if u cant c the difference so be it |
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>>nobodys stoppin u. health hazard is ur own undoin<<<
some of you guys are trying to stop us. |
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Originally posted by Jukebox at 2004-1-8 10:13 AM:
Only if people like SFE, Josh and T8 would think the same like you.....well, surely you'll understand of my actions for doin all these. Only if they stop would i stop.
the keyword ere is only if
u can dream on till kingdom come thy will be done :2cool: |
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Originally posted by whitepig at 2004-1-8 11:34 AM:
>>nobodys stoppin u. health hazard is ur own undoin<<<
some of you guys are trying to stop us.
wot has this topic got to u with ur freedom to pork eatin, "womanizin" n winin (wine)? :re: |
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John 1
The Word Became Flesh
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning.
3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
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14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only,[4] who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
John 17
Jesus Prays for Himself
1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, 2 as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should[1] give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. 3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. 4 I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do. 5 And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was
if jesus is not part of Godhead - how then do you explain the glory he had with the father BEFORE THE WORLD WAS? can you explain??
The Son of Man Will Judge the Nations
Matthew 25
31 "When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. 34Then the King will say to those on His right hand, "Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
DANIEL 7:13 (Jesus to judge nations)
13"I was watching in the night visions,
And behold, One like the Son of Man,
Coming with the clouds of heaven!
He came to the Ancient of Days,
And they brought Him near before Him.
14Then to Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom,
That all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him
How could an ordinary prophet judge nations and mankind??
Why doesn't the bible say Muhammad or jonah or moses will judge the nations?
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The `word` was God.. the word became flesh and dwelled amongst mankind.
How many more verses do you want?
If you don't want to believe that - it is your perogative but don't make silly remarks about people going to hell just because the believe Jesus is more than a prophet.
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Originally posted by whitepig at 2004-1-8 11:54 AM:
John 1
The Word Became Flesh
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning.
3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
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14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only,[4] who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
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The `word` was God.. the word became flesh and dwelled amongst mankind.
how u put 2 n 2 together deducin jesus is the word that becomes flesh n therefore god?
if jesus is truly god, why the bible isnt straightforward bout it? why man needs to put 2 n 2 together?
How many more verses do you want?
one verse at a time plz as long as ure able to give intelligent clarfication. later we can talk bout verses like father n i r 1, father is greater than i etc
If you don't want to believe that - it is your perogative but don't make silly remarks about people going to hell just because the believe Jesus is more than a prophet.
if jesus bein god is man's deception, wouldnt it be tantamount to blasphemy? n where blasphemy people go if they dont repent? :re:
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how u put 2 n 2 together deducin jesus is the word n therefore god?
if jesus is truly god, why the bible isnt straightforward bout it? why man needs to put 2 n 2 together?
The Bible is very straight forward. It says 'the Word was God'.
There you go, proof that Jesus is God. |
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Originally posted by Debmey at 2004-1-8 12:14 PM:
The Bible is very straight forward. It says 'the Word was God'.
There you go, proof that Jesus is God.
where its stated jesus is the word that has become flesh n therefore hes god? am waitin :bg:
peace
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Sonny ,
...they say you are a 'christian' .. do you believe in the Jesus salvation? Afterall Jesus is just a prophet. You could attain salvation thru Muhammad, Moses, Jonah, Amos or the whole raft of them, right. Just pick your favourite prophet. what is the diff ? You can even call Yahweh 'Alllah'.
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by Me.
John 14:6
For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:16
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Acts 4:12
He hath made Him [Jesus] to be sin for us, Who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.
2 Corinthians 5:21
To Him [Jesus Christ] give all the prophets witness, that through His name whosoever believeth in Him shall receive remission of sins.
Acts 10:43
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Satan will be defeated thru the seed of man - the son of man. the son of god. That is the plan. say no more. |
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seems like sonny didn't read what was posted. Hahahahahahahahaha.............. |
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Originally posted by whitepig at 2004-1-8 12:23 PM:
Sonny ,
...they say you are a 'christian' .. do you believe in the Jesus salvation? Afterall Jesus is just a prophet. You could attain salvation thru Muhammad, Moses, Jonah, Amos or the whole raft of them, right. Just pick your favourite prophet. what is the diff ? You can even call Yahweh 'Alllah'.
no i dont believe in jesus salvation or prophets salvation. i only believe in ONE N ONLY ONE GOD's salvation. jesus n prophets salvation gonna be impotent without ONE N ONLY ONE GOD's blessin
n no me dont believe jesus is prophet. but me believe hes a very holy man
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by Me.
John 14:6
so ure jumpin from one verse to another without the ability to give intelligent clarifcation for the earlier verse right? nevermind
back to verse john 14:6, how u put 2 n 2 together jesus is god when he said that?
For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:16
how u put 2 n 2 together jesus is god when god gave his only begotten son?
talk bout everlastin life. me dont believe that
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Acts 4:12
so?
He hath made Him [Jesus] to be sin for us, Who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.
2 Corinthians 5:21
how u put 2 n 2 together jesus is god when its stated righteousness of god in him?
To Him [Jesus Christ] give all the prophets witness, that through His name whosoever believeth in Him shall receive remission of sins.
Acts 10:43
how u put 2 n 2 together jesus is god by such verse?
the HARDfact remains why god needs to switch to man's skin to save man?
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Satan will be defeated thru the seed of man - the son of man. the son of god. That is the plan. say no more.
n how u put 2 n 2 together this seed of man is jesus?
mark u if jesus is truly god, then we have jewish god since jesus is jew.
mark u if jesus is truly god, u dont expect our god to be 3 in 1 when god clearly says theres only 1 god not 1 in 3 or 3 in 1. right?
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